GUILTY SC - Five Jones children, ages 1-8, Lexington County, 28 Aug 2014 *Father Arrested*

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Minister says child killer Tim Jones still has a purpose in life (with clip)

JUNE 07, 2019

"LEXINGTON, SC

Can a killer of children be redeemed?

Yes, according to a minister who testified Friday during the penalty phase of Tim Jones’ death penalty trial. Jones was found guilty Tuesday of murdering his five children in 2014 in the family’s Red Bank mobile home.

“We’ve seen many men that have committed horrible (crimes) experience redemption,” said Kerry Breen, a Pentecostal minister, in the Lexington County courtroom who has counseled Jones several times since his imprisonment. “They may not ever be able to be in society again but they can have a beneficial influence on men who have committed other crimes.”

Friday, Jones’ defense team began making its case to the jury that Jones should be sentenced to life without parole — not sentenced to the death penalty, which is being sought by the 11th Circuit Solicitors Office, led by Solicitor Rick Hubbard....."

Minister says child killer Tim Jones still has a purpose in life
 
  • #822
The videos he took in June 2013, to torment Amber, of his children begging for their mommy, were disturbing enough to send me off looking for a timeline of what else was happening around that time.

He and Amber separated in April 2012, she had the children; he took them without her permission in June, 2012; he found her a week later with the 19 year old, their formal divorce process had already begun by then.

On July 30, 2012, he got temporary custody of all 4 babies (Abigail not yet born), but is not for the most part taking care of them himself; they are with his father. From the time he took the oldest 3, he was determined and working on getting full custody.

By fall 2012 he has the 4 kids in South Carolina and needs a babysitter. He hires Crystal Ballentine, who is just turning 17 and has a baby of her own. She cooks, cleans, takes care of the babies during the day & all 4 in the AM and after school into the evening. By December 2012 he is telling her what to wear (even chooses her clothes for her when they shop), how to act, and she's sleeping in his bed.

She testified that he became increasingly brutal with his babies, beating them hard enough to leave bruises and "marks" on their behinds and all over their legs. The introduction of "PT" and day-long standing on tiptoes are a result of her continued objections to the long and loud beatings.

She observed him on multiple occasions, with each of the older kids, raging and physically abusing them for hours at a stretch, as he demanded a specific reply from them they didn't have/couldn't give.

Abigail arrives, one more baby. Crystal hears him lie to his babies that their mother doesn't love them, doesn't want them, and that she ran away with another man.

By June, 2013, Crystal is so disturbed by the beatings and his attempts to control her she's ready to leave, and does so the day she returned from being out with friends and walked in to see Tim Jr. about to whip her less than 1 year old baby. Grabs baby and leaves.

Tim Jr.,who has been pressing paperwork for months to get Amber to hand over custody, gets what he wants in early June, around the time Crystal leaves; the babies' Guardian ad Lidem signs off on custody.

And that's what has been and what has just happened when Tim Jr. sends Amber videos of her babies weeping uncontrollably for her & asking her why she left them, with him calmly prompting them.

It's just what it looks like. He never wanted any of those five babies. He took them to punish Amber, weaponized their pain to use against Amber, murdered N out of rage for still loving Amber, and murdered all 4 of his other babies so Amber could never have them.
 
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  • #823
They won't be in over the weekend, will they? I assume next day will be Monday?
 
  • #824
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Wow. I just got back from running a bunch of errands and I obviously missed a lot.
My first thought also was those tears were more for him. He was clearly prodding those children to say those things to their mother.
His blaming Amber for HIS killing the children is pretty despicable.
bbm
You said it, but it's no surprise, is it?
His sweet, loving young children. They were children.
 
  • #826
He'll have it rough, now that he has become a convicted felon. I honestly cannot see him lasting long in his new life.
 
  • #827
He'll have it rough, now that he has become a convicted felon. I honestly cannot see him lasting long in his new life.
I'd like to see him try to push around some of his fellow inmates when he gets to the big house. I also hope he will have to sleep with one eye open every single night. And his temper, etc., may get him in big trouble...
 
  • #828
The videos he took in June 2013, to torment Amber, of his children begging for their mommy, were disturbing enough to send me off looking for a timeline of what else was happening around that time.

He and Amber separated in April 2012, she had the children; he took them without her permission in June, 2012; he found her a week later with the 19 year old, their formal divorce process had already begun by then.

On July 30, 2012, he got temporary custody of all 4 babies (Abigail not yet born), but is not for the most part taking care of them himself; they are with his father. From the time he took the oldest 3, he was determined and working on getting full custody.

By fall 2012 he has the 4 kids in South Carolina and needs a babysitter. He hires Crystal Ballentine, who is just turning 17 and has a baby of her own. She cooks, cleans, takes care of the babies during the day & all 4 in the AM and after school into the evening. By December 2012 he is telling her what to wear (even chooses her clothes for her when they shop), how to act, and she's sleeping in his bed.

She testified that he became increasingly brutal with his babies, beating them hard enough to leave bruises and "marks" on their behinds and all over their legs. The introduction of "PT" and day-long standing on tiptoes are a result of her continued objections to the long and loud beatings.

She observed him on multiple occasions, with each of the older kids, raging and physically abusing them for hours at a stretch, as he demanded a specific reply from them they didn't have/couldn't give.

Abigail arrives, one more baby. Crystal hears him lie to his babies that their mother doesn't love them, doesn't want them, and that she ran away with another man.

By June, 2013, Crystal is so disturbed by the beatings and his attempts to control her she's ready to leave, and does so the day she returned from being out with friends and walked in to see Tim Jr. about to whip her less than 1 year old baby. Grabs baby and leaves.

Tim Jr.,who has been pressing paperwork for months to get Amber to hand over custody, gets what he wants in early June, around the time Crystal leaves; the babies' Guardian ad Lidem signs off on custody.

And that's what has been and what has just happened when Tim Jr. sends Amber videos of her babies weeping uncontrollably for her & asking her why she left them, with him calmly prompting them.

It's just what it looks like. He never wanted any of those five babies. He took them to punish Amber, weaponized their pain to use against Amber, murdered N out of rage for still loving Amber, and murdered all 4 of his other babies so Amber could never have them.

Thanks for putting all this information together. I did not know exactly when they separated and certainly did not know she ever had custody of them and that he took them without permission.
“...weaponized their pain to to use against Amber...”. I think when you chisel through everything, those words are the core truth to this entire case.
 
  • #829
Thanks for putting all this information together. I did not know exactly when they separated and certainly did not know she ever had custody of them and that he took them without permission.
“...weaponized their pain to to use against Amber...”. I think when you chisel through everything, those words are the core truth to this entire case.

(Because that post above wasn't nearly long or detailed enough...;))

They married in Chicago in 2004, when she was 19, and after knowing each other for just 6 weeks. She hadn't graduated from high school, he was part-time college bound.

Fast forward to the fall of 2011. They had just moved from Missouri, where he'd finished college, to South Carolina, where he had landed a well-paying job with Intel. Jr. bought a trailer that was so delapidated that it took Senior days to make the bathroom usable, and so rural it took Senior days more to clear cut enough of the surrounding woods to create a semblance of a yard.

Jones senior insinuated Amber became enraged that Jr. had chosen a trailer instead of the great big beautiful house Amber was all along using him to nab, and that she "checked out" altogether because she didn't get what she wanted.

Jr. told his father he bought the trailer (and goats and chickens and a bevy of other creatures that needed tending) because he had always dreamt about homesteading. In reality, Jr spent his days away from his "homestead," working at Intel. Amber's world ended at the treeline a few yards from the largely uninhabitable trailer's front door. She didn't have a driver's license, and in fact, had never learned how to drive. Moving to that trailer isolated her still further, and made her absolutely dependent upon Jr.

When they moved into the trailer in 2011, after 7 years of marriage, Amber had already given birth to 3 babies (ages 3, 4, and 5), had months earlier suffered a miscarriage, and was pregnant again.

Three babies and one on the way; living in a trailer that was only made habitable in small increments, with work seemingly only performed by Tim Senior during his occasional visits; no family or friends in the state; still no HS degree and no prospect of obtaining one; a work history of unskilled service work that had ended 7 years prior; and the chief thread connecting all these pieces: a controlling husband who demanded her utter submission to him.

Junior became suspicious that she was cheating on him. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't at that point, but the 19 year old boy she did become involved with by the time divorce proceedings had been initiated lived "next door," where, as DSS noted, approvingly, on several visits in fall 2011, Amber frequently took her babies because Jr.'s trailer was too unsafe for her to care for them there.

DSS notes indicate Amber & Jr had separated by April 2012, and that Jr. began seeing the therapist who thought him so admirable on May 3. On May 29, 2012 Amber reported to the DSS that Jr. had assaulted her the prior weekend (perhaps when he also threatened to "snap her neck"). DSS advised her to file a police report and to take the babies with her to a battered women's shelter. Their notes indicate that Amber "said she didn't want to do that ".

They filed for divorce on June 7, 2012. Amber still had custody of all her babies, but Jr. took the oldest 3 anyway, to his father's home in Mississippi.

On June 11, 2012, Jr. walked into the trailer on an unannounced "visit." He found the 19 year old "boy" there (same age as both Jr. and Amber when they married), and, outrageously, imo, his ammunition to use against Amber over custody.

Amber spoke to DSS again on June 18, 2012.
She told them that Jr. had taken her babies out of state, to live with Senior. DSS advised her to call the police, to hire an attorney, and to go to a battered women's shelter for safety.

Amber (or her mother) left a message for DSS on June 26, 2012, telling them that Amber had gone to Mississippi to get her children but was told : "they ain't getting them loose."

Jr. gained temporary custody of all 4 babies on July 30, 2012, via what DSS described as an "open child protection services case by way of a temporary order in a private case. "

South Carolina's DSS tried to contact Mississippi DSS in August, 2012 "but received no response"; they closed Amber's case in October without trying again, following up, or providing her any referrals/assistance/support.

Bottom line: Amber wanted her babies. She did not relinquish them voluntarily- they were taken from her. Jr. had the money & family support to hire an attorney, buy a therapist, and to keep the babies away from her in another state.

She had.....nothing, and by October 2012, not even the sporadic "support" of DSS.

((No wonder she sued the DSS in 2016-- did she win?? And everlasting shame on those in the legal system who made her forfeit her babies at all, much less for "committing adultery," much less to a 🤬🤬🤬 with a felony record who kidnapped the babies, then took them out of state to be "cared for" by a grandfather with a felony record and a record of long-term spousal abuse)).
 
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  • #830
Wow. I can not believe she was penalized for her ex husband catching her with another man AFTER their divorce. Everything I read said he claimed they divorced because he caught her committing adultery. That is the most cockamamie reason I have ever heard for taking someone's children. I can't believe no one helped her.

Having no driver's license and no means of getting around leaves you absolutely helpless. I've been there. She can not even get groceries. I honestly thought it was weird he supposedly had a good paying job and bought a run down trailer. But I guess it makes sense that he chose a home to punish and isolate his wife. I guess his father was saying she was hoping for a nice house so he made good and darn sure she had the worst possible house. And he never cared about those children if he deliberately placed them all in a filthy and unsafe home.
 
  • #831
I never did really buy that whole “I bought a place in the country so I could homestead” thing. Most people try and improve their family’s lives. Not here. He certainly had a salary that would have allowed him to buy a decent sized piece of land and put a new mobile home on it that was big enough and comfortable for his family. He could have bought a used car for Amber and the kids and made sure she learned to drive. He wasn’t interested in that. He wanted to make sure he was far enough away from prying eyes to control his wife and family as he saw fit. For Jones Sr to imply that Amber should not have been upset with this arrangement is just another way of trying to blame her for Jr’s actions.
 
  • #832
Wow. I can not believe she was penalized for her ex husband catching her with another man AFTER their divorce. Everything I read said he claimed they divorced because he caught her committing adultery. That is the most cockamamie reason I have ever heard for taking someone's children. I can't believe no one helped her.

Having no driver's license and no means of getting around leaves you absolutely helpless. I've been there. She can not even get groceries. I honestly thought it was weird he supposedly had a good paying job and bought a run down trailer. But I guess it makes sense that he chose a home to punish and isolate his wife. I guess his father was saying she was hoping for a nice house so he made good and darn sure she had the worst possible house. And he never cared about those children if he deliberately placed them all in a filthy and unsafe home.

Not after the divorce. The sequence was: he THOUGHT she was cheating on him (but, remember him telling his pastor that the pastor's wife was trying to seduce him?), which led to who knows what kind of abuse of her. She told him she wanted out. He filed for separation. He began laying the groundwork to get custody. He went to the trailer and assaulted her. The divorce process was initiated. He went to the trailer and found the 19 year old neighbor there. From that point forward he used the charge of adultery against her, in both the divorce & custody proceedings.

She never had an attorney. Completely on her own, she ultimately "settled" (was coerced into) the best terms she thought she could get. She did not give up her parental rights, and was granted joint custody.

That term amounted to a cruel joke. He was allowed to dictate if and when she could see her babies, at whim, with no legal consequences if he cancelled the visits he deigned to allow her. He also insisted that all her visits with her babies be supervised, and that he be the only person permitted to provide that supervision. Nothing in the court ordered custody arrangements prevented her from having the babies come visit her where she was living (in her neighbor's house, with the support & acceptance of his parents), but Jr. designated Chic filet as the only meeting place he would allow.

(And yes, i agree- it's painfully clear he never cared whatsoever for any of those babies).
 
  • #833
I never did really buy that whole “I bought a place in the country so I could homestead” thing. Most people try and improve their family’s lives. Not here. He certainly had a salary that would have allowed him to buy a decent sized piece of land and put a new mobile home on it that was big enough and comfortable for his family. He could have bought a used car for Amber and the kids and made sure she learned to drive. He wasn’t interested in that. He wanted to make sure he was far enough away from prying eyes to control his wife and family as he saw fit. For Jones Sr to imply that Amber should not have been upset with this arrangement is just another way of trying to blame her for Jr’s actions.

I agree it was about having total control over Amber. Senior bashed & blamed Amber on the stand, but in between he also said he considered most of Jr's decisions (about marrying her, having so many kids, and his demand Amber submit to him) were terrible, constituting an inevitable "trainwreck.)"
 
  • #834
Poor kids!:( I can't imagine what their lives must have been like. So sad.
 
  • #835
  • #836
According Tim Scott's tweets she is testifying that TJ is schizophrenic in her professional opinion, was in 2014 and still is.

This after the Jury found TJ plain guilty and did not go for the insanity options. :rolleyes:

I suppose they are going to keep trying to convince the jury and the world at large that he's ill, instead of evil and controlling.
 
  • #837
According Tim Scott's tweets she is testifying that TJ is schizophrenic in her professional opinion, was in 2014 and still is.

This after the Jury found TJ plain guilty and did not go for the insanity options. :rolleyes:


Yow. Can't believe they are doubling down on schizophrenia, and with yet one more "expert." (Who is waaaaay too chatty, overeager, doesn't present as very professional, imo) Are they TRYING to piss the jury off?!
 
  • #838
What the hell? Cruz's neuro test doesn't matter because the first test showed what they wanted?

Seriously. The penalty phase really, really, shouldn't be about relitigating what the guilt phase already resolved.
 
  • #839
She's wrong. DSS was called during the marriage. Multiple times, in 2011. During one visit, Jr. became so angry & threatening the DSS called police to be on the scene too.
 
  • #840
Expert: every psych expert said he was psychotic. Doesn't matter what caused the psychosis. Oh? Another expert said he wasn't psychotic that night? Ok. Well, whatever. If you say so.

WTH.
 

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