SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #12

[Hatfield]

OT
I tried to reply to the picture of the vehicle in the ditch, but am having trouble.

Thanks for sharing the pic. I apologize to any LE people, but I got a little bit of satisfaction from that pic and not sure why

I suppose it may be because I have been there before and its nice to see it can happen to anyone. The poor soul staring at his vehicle and feeling helpless. Yeah, been there and done that. LOL

There was another time where I was trying to go home from work before the snow got too bad and was only 4 inches. I was on the left side lane and a car in front of me on the right lane started to spin wildly. I couldnt hit my brakes because I knew it was icy by that point, so I got as far left as I could with 2 tires in the grassy median and 2 tires on the road. By the time I was on top of the vehicle in front, they were stopped sideways and as I flew by on the left about 40 MPH missing their car by no more than 2 inches, my stomach was somewhere near my neck. Once I safely passed, I slowed down to about 10 MPH and took the right lane. As all the cars behind me began to pass me on the left, each one that witnessed what had happened gave me a thumbs up and a big smile as they went by. I felt a little bit like Mario Andretti that day and also learned that even going 40 on a snowy highway is not slow enough.

 

[cluciano63]

I think LE will be able to determine very easily who created a certain screenshot posted briefly on Monday that may have contributed to the charges. If GS created it or had it "sent" to him by a friend, that would be quite different, IMO, from posting an opinion about a case.

Also JMO this kind of stuff is fodder for a defense attorney...if they were making up stuff about possible future defendants. LE has to be careful to show they investigated lots of people and scenarios, even more than usual, thanks to SM in this case, IMO.

 

[Snowyowl]

http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/29/3233679/two-arrested-for-providing-false.html

Updated article that should answer some questions.

Elvis was last heard from around 3 a.m. Dec. 18, when she called a family member to talk about how a date she was on had gone well, her family said.

HUH? Is this the first time I've heard that??Wonder which family member??


in a Christmas Day posting, referred to Elvis’ father, Terry, as his friend.

If TE referred to LE as his friend are they also going to arrest them?? Why do I still keep going back to the car they reportedly let TE drive home and it seems to me creating all kinds of drama to distract?
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...:banghead:

 

[JaneyBGood]

Slightly O/T Here's where there is going to be a problem with the recent arrests. Depending on the charges for the two individuals being charged with Obstruction of Justice, "posting misleading information on Facebook" is not a crime. If somehow they are convicted of Obstruction of Justice due to "posting misleading information on Facebook", then everything that everyone has ever written without IMO or JMO, etc would be open to prosecution for anything. In addition, neither of the men were the only people posting misleading information. For the second allegation, "he began questioning a witness in an attempt to gain confidential information about the law enforcement investigation", LE would have to PROVE that the only reason anyone was questioning a witness was to actually gain confidential information, so whomever was questioning a witness would pretty much have to use the words "Tell me whatever you know that the police won't tell anyone." Just getting confidential information as a by-product of asking questions is also not a crime. The third allegation was "conducted an independent search, where potential evidence was uncovered and did not immediately report it to law enforcement." So if it isn't evidence, is it still a crime? (I just have to wonder about that, it isn't a real question.) If something was found and the person finding it wasn't sure if it was evidence and if they should report it or not, that isn't a crime. If it were, how many of us would be guilty of a crime because we uncovered something about someone that MIGHT be evidence? Can you imagine how inundated LE would be if we called in everything we ever uncovered about every case without some more research first? However, if they removed something from a location, that would be a different story. (I don't know if the potential evidence was physical or virtual). The only actual crime that MAY have been committed would be fabricating misleading information and actually relaying it to LE, knowing the information was misleading.

And these are only ALLEGED charges. These men have not been convicted. I give them the same benefit of the doubt I give all parties involved until there is actual evidence shown that any of the charges are valid and not just LE trying to get everyone to shut up by scaring them with this arrest (because I've seen that more than once). I've said my piece, thank you for reading.

JMO, IMO, my own opinions written down.

Ghost wheel, I wanted to thank you and give you props for this comment! Very thought provoking

 

[Jo in Calif]

Its one thing to post fabricated info on a SM site, but report it to LE, not real bright IMO.


Also during the investigation, police say, Starnes fabricated misleading information regarding the disappearance of Elvis and then relayed the false information to law enforcement. This information was then posted to a social media site, causing investigating officers to obtain legal process regarding the information, which diverted them from legitimate leads, according to the press release.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/29/3233679/two-arrested-for-providing-false.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Snowyowl]

ditto! just posted same.

I keep favoriting posts and then when look at them again not favorited (that's how I mark them as read)
this has multiple times ONLY WITH CERTAIN POSTS across pages 23,24,25

 

[Snowyowl]

Be careful y'all. :seeya:

oopsie! I wonder who the LE was and if any relation to case? (like one who showed up at TE door,etc) I've seen some strange things happen.

 

[Vinny]

Watched that interview with TE. Nothing new there, but you can tell from his voice that he is broken, it's so sad.

 

[Snowyowl]

Pretty sure it is routine carelessness we see in every case. I tried emailing the writer, will see if he replies.
Eta...email bounced back. He is not listed as working there, on their site, so I just tried anyway, making his name into an email like the ones listed...did not work.

that seems to be an aggregation site-by searching for his name you come up with
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jayrodchicago
Jason Rodriguez | LinkedIn
Jason Rodriguez. Horry County Reporter, The Sun News Location Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (Myrtle Beach, South Carolina Area)

Contact JASON M. RODRIGUEZ at 626-0301 or follow him at Twitter.com/TSN_jrodriguez

 

[Foxfire]

Slightly O/T Here's where there is going to be a problem with the recent arrests. Depending on the charges for the two individuals being charged with Obstruction of Justice, "posting misleading information on Facebook" is not a crime. If somehow they are convicted of Obstruction of Justice due to "posting misleading information on Facebook", then everything that everyone has ever written without IMO or JMO, etc would be open to prosecution for anything. In addition, neither of the men were the only people posting misleading information. For the second allegation, "he began questioning a witness in an attempt to gain confidential information about the law enforcement investigation", LE would have to PROVE that the only reason anyone was questioning a witness was to actually gain confidential information, so whomever was questioning a witness would pretty much have to use the words "Tell me whatever you know that the police won't tell anyone." Just getting confidential information as a by-product of asking questions is also not a crime. The third allegation was "conducted an independent search, where potential evidence was uncovered and did not immediately report it to law enforcement." So if it isn't evidence, is it still a crime? (I just have to wonder about that, it isn't a real question.) If something was found and the person finding it wasn't sure if it was evidence and if they should report it or not, that isn't a crime. If it were, how many of us would be guilty of a crime because we uncovered something about someone that MIGHT be evidence? Can you imagine how inundated LE would be if we called in everything we ever uncovered about every case without some more research first? However, if they removed something from a location, that would be a different story. (I don't know if the potential evidence was physical or virtual). The only actual crime that MAY have been committed would be fabricating misleading information and actually relaying it to LE, knowing the information was misleading.

And these are only ALLEGED charges. These men have not been convicted. I give them the same benefit of the doubt I give all parties involved until there is actual evidence shown that any of the charges are valid and not just LE trying to get everyone to shut up by scaring them with this arrest (because I've seen that more than once). I've said my piece, thank you for reading.

JMO, IMO, my own opinions written down.

Ghostwheel, a very logical and common sense post, imo.

RE: (because I've seen that more than once)

Long story, Ghostwheel, but I've experienced this intimidation tactic on more than one occasion while researching and backtracking a serial killer in north GA. The good ole boy network is thriving in my neck of the woods too...
For simply asking questions, I had a 9mm aimed at my head, was put through a dangerous felon take down, hand cuffed, truck searched, and interviewed by two different Sheriff departments, all in one day.
______________________

From info known, this is simply an intimidation tactic utilized by many LEAs that subscribe to the antiquated close to the vest silence investigative strategy of the 1960s, imo...

 

[imamaze]

Except it wasn't just posting false information from the social media...

http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/29/3233679/two-arrested-for-providing-false.html

Lt. Robert Kegler, spokesman for the Horry County Sheriff’s Department, said he was not sure if the men will face additional charges for the alleged crime occurring online.

“It was an investigation separate from law enforcement,” Kegler said.

Police have accused Barrett of questioning potential witnesses.

“It was also discovered that in an effort to conduct a separate investigation from law enforcement, he began questioning a witness in an attempt to gain confidential information about the law enforcement investigation,” according to a press release from police. “In addition, he conducted an independent search, where potential evidence was uncovered and did not immediately report it to law enforcement.”

Also during the investigation, police say, Starnes fabricated misleading information regarding the disappearance of Elvis and then relayed the false information to law enforcement. This information was then posted to a social media site, causing investigating officers to obtain legal process regarding the information, which diverted them from legitimate leads, according to the press release.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/29/3233679/two-arrested-for-providing-false.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Softail]

I keep seeing comments about LE not doing enough. :waitasec: I just don't get it. What are they supposed to do? They are not going to jeopardize an investigation to satisfy curious/nosy people.

There have been no press conferences. So what? There are a lot of missing person cases where LE does not hold many press conferences. What are they supposed to say? :waitasec: We have no new information? :waitasec: .

I do tend to think LE in most cases does everything in their power to find answers and solve these cases. Sometimes it just takes time. I don't believe they have any reason to not want a case solved. At this point I have no reason to believe they aren't doing everything they can

While I realize emotions are high, and people want answers - I would prefer LE keep a tight lip if that is what it takes to eventually prosecute those responsible for Heather's disappearance.

I just don't see this case moving forward until Heather is found.

They would be foolish to prematurely arrest anyone. :twocents:

 

[EmmaRose]

Judging by their past record of not speaking to the public ,I don't see that happening any time soon. They really need a PR person as a liason to the press/public.

Ghostwheel, a very logical and common sense post, imo.



Long story, Ghostwheel, but I've experienced this intimidation tactic on more than one occasion while researching and backtracking a serial killer in north GA. The good ole boy network is thriving in my neck of the woods too...
For simply asking questions, I had a 9mm aimed at my head, was put through a dangerous felon take down, hand cuffed, truck searched, and interviewed by two different Sheriff departments, all in one day.
______________________

From info known, this is simply an intimidation tactic utilized by many LEAs that subscribe to the antiquated close to the vest silence investigative strategy of the 1960s, imo...

What else do you do for fun? ; )

 

[PeterThomasFan]

that seems to be an aggregation site-by searching for his name you come up with
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jayrodchicago
Jason Rodriguez | LinkedIn
Jason Rodriguez. Horry County Reporter, The Sun News Location Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (Myrtle Beach, South Carolina Area)

Contact JASON M. RODRIGUEZ at 626-0301 or follow him at Twitter.com/TSN_jrodriguez

Wow! It wasn't Tonya Root this time!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I keep favoriting posts and then when look at them again not favorited (that's how I mark them as read)
this has multiple times ONLY WITH CERTAIN POSTS across pages 23,24,25

Do you mean putting 'thanks' underneath a post?
I haven't noticed mine going away once its posted but when I try to put 'thanks', it doesn't appear so I have to 'refresh' (those green arrow thingies) and that takes time and then the next page won't load.
This has been going on for a long time now so I wonder if it involves the settings on my computer or what.

It looks like I've been here for the last forty-five mins or so but I wasn't.
Guess that means I'm safe? lol!

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like people just expect certain people to be arrested and charged (for what?) regardless of evidence, or any signs of foul play. And yet the same people are screaming about innocent until guilty for this pair who were arrested. What do the majority even believe the crime to be? That is what I can't figure. They seem to think OM is "hiding" her-why would he do that? IMO if he WAS, I think it would be with her permission (I do not think this to be the case...just the only way it would be true.) No other possibility other than OM seems to be even an option to her "supporters". If they are wrong, they are sure helping obscure the truth and enabling the real perp IMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Black ice is very tricky even for peeps used to driving in snowy conditions.
The slightest acceleration at the wrong time can cause a spin out no matter how slow you're going.
:scared: Be careful!

 

[PeterThomasFan]

O/T: People is SC cannot drive. Really...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/15/worst-drivers-states/4025109/

 

[Ski1987]

Be careful y'all. :seeya:

Looks like someone is doing their own independent search of that ditch.

 

[bestill]

Do you all think that LE believes HE is still missing or the deed is done? I get the feeling they aren't actively searching for and alive Heather, but it's more of a recover the evidence and prove what they can for the future arrest and trial. I just don't get a sense of urgency from them and I think this is part of the public frustration.