SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #13

[EmmaRose]

Using her driver's license wouldn't necessarily show up anywhere, and it takes a long time for the social security information to be updated. Also, after reading her social media, I don't see any reason to think she's unworldly. Somewhat sheltered, yes, but certainly not naive.

Although I don't think running away is the case here, I must say that Heather struck me as being resourceful, willing to try new things, thinks creatively, is not afraid to work for what she wants, or do things unconventionally. Qualities that would help her if she decided to take off. If she did, it may have been out of fear but I just can't work the car being at PTL into the equation.

 

[Foxfire]

I think there should be a national task force for missing people in the country. It should be a special unit whose purpose is to create, train, educate and assist LE around the country in the immediate aftermath of a missing persons report.

A clear, consistant guideline should be established, to assess a case quickly, and assign it an escalation stage particular to known and evolving facts. Much the same as an emergency room triage.

There should be specialists available to assist with fast tracking access to victims social media data, in addition to cellular data for phones and towers.

There should be a clear guideline for utilizing social media and traditional media outlets.

There should be both general training at all police academies, and a mobile, National unit that assists LE agencies.

There needs to be standardization in procedure.

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[EmmaRose]

Imo, a SAR short course should be offered for folks that may be used as volunteers in SAR certified searches. There are many folks with prior military, public safety, and outdoors persons, etc., experience, yet can not devote the time required for certification training.

An excellent idea!

 

[hockeymom4]

Although I don't think running away is the case here, I must say that Heather struck me as being resourceful, willing to try new things, thinks creatively, is not afraid to work for what she wants, or do things unconventionally. Qualities that would help her if she decided to take off. If she did, it may have been out of fear but I just can't work the car being at PTL into the equation.

I am still baffled why the poster says the car was found abandoned at PTL on the 17th, when it was supposedly found on the 19th. If the car was found on the 19th, the poster should say the 19th. [modsnip]

My apologies for mentioning the above. Please note, it wasn't from FB, but I will no longer dupes us it.

 

[paris_paris]

I think they are saying the 17th on the poster because if it said the 19th and someone thought they saw it on the 17th or 18th then they wouldn't think it was important.

I always figured there was a reason for it, and that makes sense to me.

 

[hockeymom4]

I think they are saying the 17th on the poster because if it said the 19th and someone thought they saw it on the 17th or 18th then they wouldn't think it was important.

I always figured there was a reason for it, and that makes sense to me.

I think the opposite. You include the days leading up to the 19th, but when you say the 17th, you exclude any days after. Then it would make sense to change the wording.because saying it was found abandoned on the 17th is not true...that is my point. If I saw the sign that the car was found there there the 17th and I saw it there the 18th or 19th, I would think it was a car belonging to someone else. If the sign said found the 19th, it would change my thought process. If a car is found the 17th, then everything that happened after that that day at PTL that I saw would have NOTHiNG to do with her. I would exclude it and would not call it in. For example, if the sign says the 17th and she was met with foul play, then nothing I saw on the 18th or 19th would be of use because her car was already found abdandon there. So, IMO, she wasn't there anymore.

I think there is a reason for it......

 

[Motherof5]

I was not here in the beginning so I didn't read that. That is interesting. I think anything is possible, just like anyone is possibly involved. I know many people think OM and oMW are involved, but I don't. I have my negative thoughts on them, but IF something happen to her, I don't think it was either of them. I sleuth and keep most of the stuff to myself now, but IMO, I just don't think either of them did it. If LE is still investigating, I think they are looking into a lot of people. I think they are also looking into her leaving on her own. They have said they don't know if this was foul play or not. LE would never rule out that she left on her own unless they were certain. In regards to the guys...BB said something he knew wasn't true and said it was a fact when it was a lie, causing commotion. I don't know what he found. There is speculation as to what he found and what he did with it....instead of turning it over to LE. And GS.....the full details haven't been released. I won't even give my opinion on it. What bugs me is the support for one and not the other when both has helped countless hours and BOTH know the family and both know TE. In an interview he said he didn't know GS, not that he didn't know him well, but didn't know him.

My next statement doesn't pertain to anyone in particular, but if you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory.

1. If LE is still investigating? Really? I'm pretty sure that OMM and OMW are hoping that LE isn't but that's just silly.

2. LE wouldn't rule out anything nor anyone unless they were certain...that includes OMM and OMW.

3. If you tell the truth,you don't have to have a good memory. This is true. It's difficult to be truthful when one is having an affair.

4. I have seen nothing to indicate that HE had reasons to leave on her own. I've seen plenty to indicate that she was removed.

 

[cluciano63]

Personally, I think the car was there by wake-up time on the 18th...and that LE knows this somehow. They sure are not asking for any witnesses to come forth about the car, and I am not going to assume LE is that inept...

 

[Victory]

Using her driver's license wouldn't necessarily show up anywhere, and it takes a long time for the social security information to be updated. Also, after reading her social media, I don't see any reason to think she's unworldly. Somewhat sheltered, yes, but certainly not naive.

When I used the word unworldly, I didnt mean naive. I should have used a better word. What I meant is that she didnt seem to have the mind set of someone who could successfully plan a new life, with a new identity, without leaving a trail of the old Heather and without looking back. This would take certain personality traits I dont see in Heather. To me, starting a new life without leaving a trace would be a major feat.

 

[cluciano63]

When I used the word unworldly, I didnt mean naive. I should have used a better word. What I meant is that she didnt seem to have the mind set of someone who could successfully plan a new life, with a new identity, without leaving a trail of the old Heather and without looking back. This would take certain personality traits I dont see in Heather. To me, starting a new life without leaving a trace would be a major feat.

I agree. I also do not see her as being willing/able to "rough it" living without her usual comforts, wireless devices, hairdryer, make-up, wardrobe, etc...nothing against her, most young women could not, IMO. So unless she is staying with someone and causing this furor for nothing, I see it as very unlikely. Also, missing the holidays, her sister's beauty pageant and more.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

WOW!!! That is a whole lot of death and suspicious crime for one national business. I wonder how it compares, nationally over the same time frame to say, Hooters?

BBM

I actually did and surprisingly didn't find anything.

 

[cluciano63]

That is a lot of crimes associated with TK's but nothing that seems like any sort of a pattern...everything from fights in parking lots to the murder of a former employee to a relationship issue...JMO

 

[rizzo0904]

Here is another TK crime that I don't think was posted:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/4053793-418/story.html

A 24-year-old Pingree Grove man was arrested early Saturday morning after he allegedly knifed several people outside the Tilted Kilt pub in northwest suburban Elgin.

Not all that happy about one opening near my home soon.

 

[Victory]

Washington, DC two separate cases were discovered of LE officers in the 7th District re: one LEO for abducting/keeping hostage young females for the purposes of prostitution and another LEO for taking nude pictures of a missing teen after she had returned home. That officer, after being released on his own recognizance, killed himself in the tidal basin.

In Long Island NY and upstate NY, there are countless cases of LE charged with being involved in prostitution, drugs, and sexual assaults and favors. So, yes it does happen and if a female thinks she is being arrested, she would get into the officer's vehicle. If he/she is a bad apple, the female could easily be gone from the life they have chosen to that of a virtual slave. It really does happen. I'm not thinking, so far that this is the case in Horry County but anything is possible...especially when the victim's cars are left by the side of a roadway, found in a secluded parking lot or the victim is last seen getting into a vehicle.

I live in one of the most politically corrupt counties in America so, yeah, I can relate.

 

[rizzo0904]

I wonder if the TK bartenders are not well trained on when to deny someone anymore alcohol?

 

[Victory]

IF she left, I don't think this would be forever. I think someone helped her (I have ideas who, but can't say on here), so I don't think she needs to work. I think she did one of two things....was provided money and shelter OR went to a place that has this type of shelter, such as a woman's home for battered woman, eating disorder, pregnant woman, rehab, etc. (she may not have these things, but I think it's possible). I don't get the impression that she is fairly sheltered, hound or unworldly, She has been out of the house since high school, has lived in several apartments, has traveled and volunteered on a mission. Also, she has dated quite a bit, nothing wrong with this, but to me, it shows a sense of maturity. If she left I think it will be short lived as many people her age that do go! contact or return after a short time. Of course, this is not the only option, I have explored. But, until the police say that it was foul play or they have a person of interest, this will be an option, just like the foul play option I have. I am very open minded. I don't want to miss anything.

I dont want to miss anything either so Im trying to imagine your theory. What about her last night in Myrtle Beach? Would someone about to fake their demise spend their last evening staying out late on a date with a new guy? Would they call up their roommate to discuss the men in their life? She didnt behave like someone about to leave everything and everyone behind. To me, making myself disappear for a short time or for forever would be a huge deal. Maybe it wouldnt be to others.

 

[SharetheLight]

I think the opposite. You include the days leading up to the 19th, but when you say the 17th, you exclude any days after. Then it would make sense to change the wording.because saying it was found abandoned on the 17th is not true...that is my point. If I saw the sign that the car was found there there the 17th and I saw it there the 18th or 19th, I would think it was a car belonging to someone else. If the sign said found the 19th, it would change my thought process. If a car is found the 17th, then everything that happened after that that day at PTL that I saw would have NOTHiNG to do with her. I would exclude it and would not call it in. For example, if the sign says the 17th and she was met with foul play, then nothing I saw on the 18th or 19th would be of use because her car was already found abdandon there. So, IMO, she wasn't there anymore.



I think there is a reason for it......

I agree with your logic about listing the 19th instead of the 17th as the date the car was found on the missing poster.
You say you think there is a reason for it. Do you mean that someone benefits from the missing poster having the car found date as the 17th instead of the 19th or it points to someone or what? This is where you lost me.
Your use of the ellipsis (or multiple ellipses) has led me to believe you think there is an intent that benefits someone.

 

[JnRyan]

Personally, I think the car was there by wake-up time on the 18th...and that LE knows this somehow. They sure are not asking for any witnesses to come forth about the car, and I am not going to assume LE is that inept...

I've always wondered why LE has not come forth publicly and asked to hear from anyone who used the landing between the morning of the 18th to late on the 19th.

I believe early on LE stated something to effect that they could not say that foul play was involved. IF LE has processed HE's car does this mean they didn't find anything?

No signs of struggle in car or condo. (I know it was stated in the media about the condo, but I remember about the car. Although it has been said that TE was allowed to drive it home.) No word that dogs picked up her scent at PTL. (Actually no specifics on what the results were with the dogs at the landing.) I don't believe PTL is a crime scene except to dump the car.

Assuming foul play, I wonder what a criminal profiler would say about the perp. Organized or not organized?

 

[SharetheLight]

Personally, I think the car was there by wake-up time on the 18th...and that LE knows this somehow. They sure are not asking for any witnesses to come forth about the car, and I am not going to assume LE is that inept...

Agree.
I thought it odd that no questions were ever put forth about the car. Have you seen this car etc etc
The only reason for this would be LE knows exactly when it got there and who was driving. All just my opinions.

 

[Vinny]

All evidence strongly indicates foul play.

The chances of Heather being alive at this point are so slim as next to nothing.