SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #15

[stillwatersc]

It is my belief that there was more than one contact with BW that night. This is only my opinion and based on nothing other than the cagey way information on the phone activity has been released.

I always thought that too.. First call right after the date (1:44) and another call after she spoke with OMM.

 

[NewYork625]

I always thought that too.. First call right after the date (1:44) and another call after she spoke with OMM.

...or possibly more than one call to BW after hearing from OMM?

 

[ShaShaGa]

Someone had mentioned on another case that if LE ever checked their browser history they would be a suspect for a serial killer. :floorlaugh:

Its the nature of the subject matter and the cases we research. Kind of unavoidable and fascinating at times.

In my household, i am the only one who is obsessed with those TV shows that are documentaries of murder cases. Everyone leaves the room when I have those shows on.

Same here- my husband has said more than once that sometimes he is afraid to go to sleep around here ! LOL

 

[Ghostwheel]

Someone had mentioned on another case that if LE ever checked their browser history they would be a suspect for a serial killer. :floorlaugh:

Its the nature of the subject matter and the cases we research. Kind of unavoidable and fascinating at times.

In my household, i am the only one who is obsessed with those TV shows that are documentaries of murder cases. Everyone leaves the room when I have those shows on.

O/T My daughter has accidentally horrified some of her more squeamish friends more times than she likes to admit. She is not insensitive to their feelings, just forgets that they don't find the same things fascinating that she does. We go with knowledge is power in our house. If you know there are people like this out there, you can be better equipped to avoid some situations or be better aware of your surroundings.

 

[ChristYTN]

Someone had mentioned on another case that if LE ever checked their browser history they would be a suspect for a serial killer. :floorlaugh:

Its the nature of the subject matter and the cases we research. Kind of unavoidable and fascinating at times.

In my household, i am the only one who is obsessed with those TV shows that are documentaries of murder cases. Everyone leaves the room when I have those shows on.

I have informed my husbands best friend (criminal investigator and totally 'gets' my way of thinking) and my oldest daughter that they are the ones tasked to clear my internet history when I pass away someday.
lol.. They are the only ones that understand me and the things I follow on line.

 

[Foxfire]

I'm sure we would all wish this to be true, but there has never been any scientific evidence to suggest that dowsing for anything is more effective than chance. It's a myth, and dowsing has absolutely no credibility.

e.g.,
Whittaker, William E. "Grave Dowsing Reconsidered". Office of the State Archaeologist, University of Iowa. Retrieved 17 June 2013. http://www.uiowa.edu/~osa/burials/Dowsing.pdf

Montjoy, my response was for locating a septic tank cover/lid. Have you ever tried dowsing? Many plumbers and electricians use dowsing to locate underground water & electrical lines.

Ann Rule mentioned in the Green River Running Red book that grave dowsing was used by the green river task force to locate many of Gary Ridgeway's victims.
By the time Ridgeway was scheduled to go to trial, 49 innocent victims’ remains had been located in Kings County, WA, alone, by Task Force members with the assistance of Gary Ridgeway, K9s, Sonar-XRay Devices provided by the FBI, and ‘Grave Dowsing'.
Yes, that’s correct, Grave Dowsing: an Ancient Art, utilized by law enforcement agencies across the US, for locating remains and other items of evidence…

Green River, Running Red: The Real Story of the Green River Killer--America's Deadliest Serial Murderer: Ann Rule: 9780743460507: Amazon.com: Books

 

[cujenn81]

Oh no. Gators. I didnt realize SC had them. That is the worst scenerio with being able to find her.

Gators are what has made me worried that she may never be found from the beginning... that if there was foul play and her body was disposed of in a swamp... gators might eliminate the body completely.

I know that Foxfire posted some helpful info about gators tendencies in cooler weather (they aren't very active) a few threads back but it really wasn't all that cold here around the time she went missing.

My best friends husband, who currently works security detail for the governor, was a DNR officer prior to being hired by the governor. He has warned us in the past about feeding gators (which we wouldn't do anyway) if we happened to see one in the area, and I assume he probably knows a lot about their tendencies in this area specifically. I'll ask him how likely it is that they would have been active at that time & report back ASAP!


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[cluciano63]

I couldn't find the article mentioned by someone else. Maybe it's the one below. When did they say they were 100% sure she didn't run away? I couldn't find that. I just saw that they didn't think so.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

No they didn't say it...that is my point. They can say certain things, but not that. Yet they seem to rule out everything else, except, basically, SM. And stop using groups for searching. Confusing.

 

[NewYork625]

Gators are what has made me worried that she may never be found from the beginning... that if there was foul play and her body was disposed of in a swamp... gators might eliminate the body completely.

I know that Foxfire posted some helpful info about gators tendencies in cooler weather (they aren't very active) a few threads back but it really wasn't all that cold here around the time she went missing.

My best friends husband, who currently works security detail for the governor, was a DNR officer prior to being hired by the governor. He has warned us in the past about feeding gators (which we wouldn't do anyway) if we happened to see one in the area, and I assume he probably knows a lot about their tendencies in this area specifically. I'll ask him how likely it is that they would have been active at that time & report back ASAP!


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"They may, however, be very active in 40ºF weather by using behavioral adjustments. I was visiting the Tulane University Museum of Natural History at the Tulane Hebert Center one winter. It was a cold, sunny day. There were no leaves on the trees, and very little green on vegetation on the ground. I was wearing a stocking hat and a warm coat. As I was leaving, I saw a pond and wanted a photograph. As I walked down the hill to the pond’s edge, I stepped past a small ledge. I heard a loud hiss at ankle level and instinctively sprang forward. When I looked back, I found that the sound came from a very active alligator sitting at the entrance to a burrow. The opening was facing the sun. Although air temperature was rather low, the alligator was situated in a microclimate that was much warmer and it was very active and alert. My sudden appearance startled it and the gator was defending its territory. Wow! I did not expect that encounter on a mid-winter day."
http://www.loyno.edu/lucec/natural-history-writings/where-do-alligators-go-winter

 

[cluciano63]

Also, people keep saying "they just need to find her" ...as though that is a given, when it definitely is not. Especially without on-going and expanded searches, IMO.

And then we have Dylan and Hailey, both of whom were found last year, and in both cases, most expected arrests would follow,yet nothing has happened. So, IMO, there has to be a certain level of evidence already, before body is found, to charge if it is found.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Someone had mentioned on another case that if LE ever checked their browser history they would be a suspect for a serial killer. :floorlaugh:

Its the nature of the subject matter and the cases we research. Kind of unavoidable and fascinating at times.

In my household, i am the only one who is obsessed with those TV shows that are documentaries of murder cases. Everyone leaves the room when I have those shows on.

The only way I can fall asleep at night is to an episode of Forensic Files or The First 48. I've done that for years now. :countsheep:

 

[gregjrichards]

Gators are what has made me worried that she may never be found from the beginning... that if there was foul play and her body was disposed of in a swamp... gators might eliminate the body completely.

I know that Foxfire posted some helpful info about gators tendencies in cooler weather (they aren't very active) a few threads back but it really wasn't all that cold here around the time she went missing.

My best friends husband, who currently works security detail for the governor, was a DNR officer prior to being hired by the governor. He has warned us in the past about feeding gators (which we wouldn't do anyway) if we happened to see one in the area, and I assume he probably knows a lot about their tendencies in this area specifically. I'll ask him how likely it is that they would have been active at that time & report back ASAP!


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I worry about them to in this case. The Laura Ackerson trial is going on at the moment her remains were dumped in an alligator infested creek. I think they managed to get some remains for a funeral I'm not sure if they got them all. What a terrible thing to do someone murder them then feed them to alligators it's pure evil.

 

[hockeymom4]

No they didn't say it...that is my point. They can say certain things, but not that. Yet they seem to rule out everything else, except, basically, SM. And stop using groups for searching. Confusing.

Gotcha! I totally agree with you. Personally, the only thing I think that has been ruled out is the date. That is all they have said. Everyone and everything else is fair game. While they have not ruled out SM, they publically have also not ruled out the other guy and they can have a long list of other people or it could be no one. The reason they could be not ruling people out is because they don't know for sure. If SM's alibi is a family member, that alone, could not rule him out until HE is found. JMO. The searching confuses me. Typically, they say nothing because they are done privately. I don't understand the reason to make the comment about the CUE searches. That's what throws me. Usually, they just avoid the topic, and it's done behind the scenes. Why say it?

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, as far as tourists go...all they have to do is ask around, or look the case up, to find out about a married man, etc...and most likely conclude this was a very personal case.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

IMO, LE needs to make an arrest in order to find HE.

 

[Freespirit34]

I'm new here, and I want to give a perspective that many of you may not have. I'm a young adult female living in the beach area of the Carolinas. I see heather's tumblr and twitter and see so much of myself in it. I get the artsy, depressed posts. I get the "crude" sense of humor on her twitter. What I'm getting at is that whatever happened at the boat landing is crucial. Many say "she willingly wouldn't have went there so late at night." I would have. 2 reasons come to my head. This may have been a calm spot for heather. If she was upset, she may have came there for some scenery therapy. Also, someone may have asked to meet her there. Artists are often lonely people who will do anything to keep the connections they do have. Toxic or not. I've often driven away with no direction to clear my head. I get it. More investigation needs to be done into WHY she went to the landing as well. That holds the key to furthering this investigation. As young female, my Instagram and Facebook/tumblr inbox hold a lot of information that most wouldn't know.


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[SharetheLight]

BBM: O/T but does it ever disturb anyone else that we think like this? I cannot have these conversations with some of my friends at all....

Haha I know. Sometimes I don't think and will mention something to a friend and they just give me a very curious look.
Ooops

 

[cluciano63]

Hoping to find a body is a risky exercise, especially after two months. I really hope that is not LE's main strategy at this point, although I understand that if the person(s) they may feel knows what happened won't speak with them, there is not a whole lot they can do.

I think all phone-related records have been collected by now, especially since it was obvious from the start that this case would focus heavily on her last calls, texts, etc.

Not sure what else they could be doing, or waiting for. Clearly, IMO, there is no bloody crime scene or there would not be even a small chance of her having run away, in LE's mind, something they cannot entirely rule out. I believe they are investigating this as a homicide, yet have to keep that possibility as an option, however small, because they have no crime scene and no body.

If that is true...are they up against a wall now? Perhaps knowing who did it, and that she is likely dead, but knowing they cannot prove it to a SC jury without finding her?

 

[margarita25]

I'm new here, and I want to give a perspective that many of you may not have. I'm a young adult female living in the beach area of the Carolinas. I see heather's tumblr and twitter and see so much of myself in it. I get the artsy, depressed posts. I get the "crude" sense of humor on her twitter. What I'm getting at is that whatever happened at the boat landing is crucial. Many say "she willingly wouldn't have went there so late at night." I would have. 2 reasons come to my head. This may have been a calm spot for heather. If she was upset, she may have came there for some scenery therapy. Also, someone may have asked to meet her there. Artists are often lonely people who will do anything to keep the connections they do have. Toxic or not. I've often driven away with no direction to clear my head. I get it. More investigation needs to be done into WHY she went to the landing as well. That holds the key to furthering this investigation. As young female, my Instagram and Facebook/tumblr inbox hold a lot of information that most wouldn't know.


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Welcome FreeSpirit34

:welcome5:

 

[margarita25]

Hoping to find a body is a risky exercise, especially after two months. I really hope that is not LE's main strategy at this point, although I understand that if the person(s) they may feel knows what happened won't speak with them, there is not a whole lot they can do.

I think all phone-related records have been collected by now, especially since it was obvious from the start that this case would focus heavily on her last calls, texts, etc.

Not sure what else they could be doing, or waiting for. Clearly, IMO, there is no bloody crime scene or there would not be even a small chance of her having run away, in LE's mind, something they cannot entirely rule out. I believe they are investigating this as a homicide, yet have to keep that possibility as an option, however small, because they have no crime scene and no body.

If that is true...are they up against a wall now? Perhaps knowing who did it, and that she is likely dead, but knowing they cannot prove it to a SC jury without finding her?

I believe so, Cluciano :banghead:

jmo