SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #15

[margarita25]

Obviously, the OMs are top of my list, but then I think about Amber, all the T3 RSOs around, the TW remains, other missing cases and possible scenarios, and a reasonable doubt appears...

I hope there is physical evidence somewhere of whatever happened.

 

[margarita25]

Again, thinking of you and your family, LadyHawkke, hoping you guys get answers.

 

[margarita25]

Any news on the ID(s) re: the Tidewater remains?

 

[escape2sc]

Obviously, the OMs are top of my list, but then I think about Amber, all the RSO's around, remains, other possible scenarios, and a reasonable doubt appears...

I hope there is physical evidence somewhere of whatever happened.

I can't shake the possiblity of Amber being a tragic case of being mistaken for someone else. I don't think Heather was the first young woman working in a pub or restaurant that SM was friendly with. Also, I would not put it past a cheating husband to give his wife a "fake" name of the other woman if he was caught . JMO

 

[hockeymom4]

I can't shake the possiblity of Amber being a tragic case of being mistaken for someone else. I don't think Heather was the first young woman working in a pub or restaurant that SM was friendly with. Also, I would not put it past a cheating husband to give his wife a "fake" name of the other woman if he was caught . JMO

I think there are similarities in these cases. To me anyway, which is why I have looked into other options. As previously stated, SM didn't work at TK at the same time as Amber. Of course that doesn't mean that he didn't know her. But for me, I think of all the other RSO's that could have known them both (by working there or leaving near them), employees patrons, people that they went school with, etc. That is one of the places my mind goes. But, then it goes back to Rhodes saying the community not be worried, which makes me think they are not connected.

 

[escape2sc]

I think there are similarities in these cases. To me anyway, which is why I have looked into other options. As previously stated, SM didn't work at TK at the same time as Amber. Of course that doesn't mean that he didn't know her. But for me, I think of all the other RSO's that could have known them both (by working there or leaving near them), employees patrons, people that they went school with, etc. That is one of the places my mind goes. But, then it goes back to Rhodes saying the community not be worried, which makes me think they are not connected.

BBM

They could still be connected and the community need not be worried...unless you are a member of the community too friendly with a certain married man ?

 

[Hatfield]

Im not good with analogies but will try...

If I was at Vegas and had to bet if the coins in the magicians hat were silver or copper and I saw just a glimmer of what was in there and it looked shiny, I would have to bet on the coins being silver.

Taking us back to this case and all that we do know. There are certain things that were either in news stories or articles that make me lean one way in this case. Its always possible it could be something else, but I cant go there yet until something shows that glimmer that something else happened. All the glimmers for me just happen to be pointing one way for now. One particular example is the way the Police Report described things.

Another example is her car being at the landing. Its hard to reconcile an option of her running away and that car being there. Now if it had been left at the airport of bus station there would be that glimmer of a possible runaway for sure.

So for now i keep leaning one way until something more surfaces.

I'm putting some confidence and relying on LE to hopefully have something they are waiting on besides just a body. Their police report was excellent IMO of how much progress they made so far. I just keep my hopes up that they have kept progressing and maybe they are waiting on some DNA results or maybe there was in fact a bloody crime scene they found and are being hush about it.

I sure hope so because I do agree with another poster that even if they find HE body, there is a chance it may not help much after all this time has gone by. Most of us including myself tend to think that finding that body will give tons more evidence. And we hope it does but I fear that it may not provide enough solid evidence even after HE is found.

So I am going on faith right now that LE already has much more that we are unaware of. Im hoping their case is getting close to being very solid and maybe they just need a body to finalize it.

 

[HouseRules]

Okay...been following since the beginning but first post. I will try not to break any rules.

Is is possible LE is not looking at ground searches as useful as they believe she is located on private property? Somewhere where ground searchers would not be or have not been allowed?

Another possibility that comes to mind is that perhaps they believe she was transported and dumped outside of the area? I don't want to point the fingers at any people NOT considered suspects of POI, but I would certainly be interested in any UID females anywhere within a day or so's drive from the MB area to include Florida.

On another note, I would think LE has spoken to Heather's friends and confidants about what was going on in her life. They would be sure to know when certain relationships ended or even IF they had ended. I'm certain there is a lot of information we haven't been privy to up until now. I really believe LE has a VERY good idea of exactly what has happened to Heather and they are just waiting to get that one thing that will either secure a warrant or a confession.

 

[margarita25]

Okay...been following since the beginning but first post. I will try not to break any rules.

Is is possible LE is not looking at ground searches as useful as they believe she is located on private property? Somewhere where ground searchers would not be or have not been allowed?

Another possibility that comes to mind is that perhaps they believe she was transported and dumped outside of the area? I don't want to point the fingers at any people NOT considered suspects of POI, but I would certainly be interested in any UID females anywhere within a day or so's drive from the MB area to include Florida.

On another note, I would think LE has spoken to Heather's friends and confidants about what was going on in her life. They would be sure to know when certain relationships ended or even IF they had ended. I'm certain there is a lot of information we haven't been privy to up until now. I really believe LE has a VERY good idea of exactly what has happened to Heather and they are just waiting to get that one thing that will either secure a warrant or a confession.

Welcome HouseRules

:welcome:

 

[cluciano63]

My guess is the RSO, and others have been ruled out by alibis. If not, it would be negligent of LE to say this was not random, and that others were likely not at risk, if they said that. IMO, they are not saying who else has been cleared, yet I feel sure several people have been.

 

[margarita25]

Great first post btw, HouseRules.

 

[margarita25]

My guess is the RSO, and others have been ruled out by alibis. If not, it would be negligent of LE to say this was not random, and that others were likely not at risk, if they said that. IMO, they are not saying who else has been cleared, yet I feel sure several people have been.

Agreed.

 

[Foxfire]

<respectfully sniped for focus>

Originally Posted by HouseRules View Post
Okay...been following since the beginning but first post.Originally Posted by HouseRules View Post
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Welcome HouseRules

:welcome:

'Ditto, and imo, you did better staying within the rules than most of us that have been here for awhile, HouseRules'..

 

[Ghostwheel]

Hoping to find a body is a risky exercise, especially after two months. I really hope that is not LE's main strategy at this point, although I understand that if the person(s) they may feel knows what happened won't speak with them, there is not a whole lot they can do.

I think all phone-related records have been collected by now, especially since it was obvious from the start that this case would focus heavily on her last calls, texts, etc.

Not sure what else they could be doing, or waiting for. Clearly, IMO, there is no bloody crime scene or there would not be even a small chance of her having run away, in LE's mind, something they cannot entirely rule out. I believe they are investigating this as a homicide, yet have to keep that possibility as an option, however small, because they have no crime scene and no body.

If that is true...are they up against a wall now? Perhaps knowing who did it, and that she is likely dead, but knowing they cannot prove it to a SC jury without finding her?

IF the perp is someone that LE is keeping their eyes on, they could be waiting for that opportune moment when someone says something to someone they shouldn't, or goes somewhere they normally wouldn't or breaks down (Skylar Neese case where one perp eventually had a nervous breakdown) or someone cannot keep a secret any longer and tells or whatever. There have been a couple of cases I have seen where the person suspected of the crime eventually took their own life, just when it seemed like everyone had forgotten about it all and their life was normal. And there there are people like BTK who, I can only guess, needed everyone to know what he did and confessed.

Sometimes it IS just a waiting game.

 

[hockeymom4]

BBM

They could still be connected and the community need not be worried...unless you are a member of the community too friendly with a certain married man ?

Rhodes said, "What I don’t want is a community fearful of being out at night.”

This is why I then go away from this theory that SM is killing his affairs off. If they felt this way and that it was Amber and heather, they will not tell people to not be fearful, IMO. People would need to be worried in the community. If he had an affair with a bunch of people, all these people would need to be worried. I am not saying it wasn't him. I just don't think he had anything to do with Amber. There has never been anything to suggest they knew each other.

 

[nosysw]

I, too, am of the belief that LE has a pretty clear idea of what happened. They may be just saying they can't completely rule out other scenarios to keep certain potential perps off balance. IMO.

 

[Hatfield]

Okay...been following since the beginning but first post. I will try not to break any rules.

Is is possible LE is not looking at ground searches as useful as they believe she is located on private property? Somewhere where ground searchers would not be or have not been allowed?

Another possibility that comes to mind is that perhaps they believe she was transported and dumped outside of the area? I don't want to point the fingers at any people NOT considered suspects of POI, but I would certainly be interested in any UID females anywhere within a day or so's drive from the MB area to include Florida.

On another note, I would think LE has spoken to Heather's friends and confidants about what was going on in her life. They would be sure to know when certain relationships ended or even IF they had ended. I'm certain there is a lot of information we haven't been privy to up until now. I really believe LE has a VERY good idea of exactly what has happened to Heather and they are just waiting to get that one thing that will either secure a warrant or a confession.

Excellent 1st post.

Good point about if LE knows she has been taken out of state. That would definitely be a reason not to have local searches in SC.

Lets hope that LE gets that 1 thing they need quickly.

 

[nosysw]

IF the perp is someone that LE is keeping their eyes on, they could be waiting for that opportune moment when someone says something to someone they shouldn't, or goes somewhere they normally wouldn't or breaks down (Skylar Neese case where one perp eventually had a nervous breakdown) or someone cannot keep a secret any longer and tells or whatever. There have been a couple of cases I have seen where the person suspected of the crime eventually took their own life, just when it seemed like everyone had forgotten about it all and their life was normal. And there there are people like BTK who, I can only guess, needed everyone to know what he did and confessed.

Sometimes it IS just a waiting game.

ITA with bolded statements above.

 

[SharetheLight]

O/T My daughter has accidentally horrified some of her more squeamish friends more times than she likes to admit. She is not insensitive to their feelings, just forgets that they don't find the same things fascinating that she does. We go with knowledge is power in our house. If you know there are people like this out there, you can be better equipped to avoid some situations or be better aware of your surroundings.

Further O/T
I agree knowledge is power.
I've taught my girls to stay in groups and tell them that girls who go off alone end up dead. I started saying this very early to them and continue to remind them-my oldest is now 20. I remind them different times in the year, especially on vacation, they bring friends and I always say remember girls who go off alone end up dead.
The friends hearing my warning for the first time are mortified.
Although a friend of my oldest texted her one time to say she was on her way out of town with some other friends, they stopped at a rest stop, she headed to the bathroom alone and heard my voice saying girls who go off alone end up dead so she took a friend

 

[hockeymom4]

My guess is the RSO, and others have been ruled out by alibis. If not, it would be negligent of LE to say this was not random, and that others were likely not at risk, if they said that. IMO, they are not saying who else has been cleared, yet I feel sure several people have been.

What if the RSO is not random? TE said in the interview with Peter Hyatt that he knows all of the RSO's or something along those lines. Personally, I don't know how this is possible. My neighborhood, which is a very nice neighborhood, has a fair amount and we own our own business as well, and I don't know one of them. So, if it is true, maybe she then knew him as well. Maybe through her dad's business, church, school, TK, or someone else. I am just exploring other options. Of course, I am sure they were all looked into and alibis checked. It is possible many of them couldn't provide an alibi because of the early morning time frame. I know I wouldn't be able to on some days. Sleeping children wouldn't help me out.