SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #16

[bettiepageturner]

If it were me, after the last gun incident, if true, I would have went straight home & had a few stiff drinks.. Unless of course, I needed a script for my conscience/anxiety..

Imo, someone may be building a case for a civil lawsuit/s for mental anguish, defamation of character, loss of business revenue, etc. Imo, this also may be a premature attempt to show cause for a change of venue and as a possible defense strategy. Just in case there is a future arrest based on circumstantial evidence in HE's disappearance..

Unsettling prospect! Great point. Reminds me of RAT while he was being investigated for Samantha Clarke's disappearance and how he got LE off his back claiming they were victimizing him for no reason, wasting energy, etc. (they put a tracking device on him without following warrant protocol.. makes sense why MB LE is being so cautious, I guess). It's been said a few times that the prosecution needs to show that they adequately investigated every venue (in RAT's example, again, they had to go find the mystery dreadlocks guy).. if the perp fabricates enough "venues" a case could never go to trial! That's what worries me every time I see these dummy accounts posting on er, news articles about HE's case with outlandish "alternative" suggestions as to what happened.

 

[ShaShaGa]

Depends if the intent is to terrorize, or actually kill/injure. Killing him, if they (alleged assailants) believe he is guilty, removes much of the chance of finding Heather, IMO.

Isn't that the truth?but there are some nutty folks out there who aren't bright enough to figure that out or are just so redneck that they think and act impulsively- though I doubt these events actually occurred because it sounds too sketchy , after thinking about it , it could likely be someone who is following him executing "scare-tactics) to push him into giving in with some answers ???

 

[rtjedarling]

I thought of this as well! If he is out and about at 1:30 (was it during the week?) and then the calls with HE till 6:00 am, when does this guy sleep?

He may be scared to sleep, scary people in his world- he'll probably break

 

[Topcat]

SM has to know there would cameras around this time, IMO...can he be so naive to think there aren't? I sure hope one catches him and whoever else was around. Maybe both are true, neither, or just one. I do not think LE can do much to verify the first reported event. But surely this time...maybe he will be charged with filing a false report. Or someone else identified and charged for threatening behavior. Either could possibly advance the case somehow.

I did not take much comfort in the new report about evidence being moved up to priority. I think it probably consists of any items picked up by searchers that have to be examined, Heather's computers, etc...since she has not been found, a fingerprint on a soda can, i.e does not mean much, since it was not found near a body.

JMO

But it might also put somebody in a place they may claim they never were or if HE and another persons fingerprint/DNA were on the same item (sharing a soda for example)

 

[Topcat]

BBM

In the Myrtle Beach report, Moorer said he was in a parking lot in the 7500 block of North Kings Highway when two white males in a truck pulled up beside him and pointed what appeared to be a shotgun at him.

The incident occurred at about 1:30 a.m. Thursday morning, and was reported at 1:38 a.m.

The victim said he was able to run inside a nearby address, lock himself inside and wait for officers to arrive, the report said.

According to the report, the suspects were both white males, about 30, stood 5-8 to 5-9 and were in a white pickup truck.

How do you know how tall someone is when they are sitting inside of a truck???

At least there should be video of this alleged incident.

I guess the place was unlocked when he entered ,so there must be witnesses,no?

 

[floridamomma]

Isn't that the truth?but there are some nutty folks out there who aren't bright enough to figure that out or are just so redneck that they think and act impulsively- though I doubt these events actually occurred because it sounds too sketchy , after thinking about it , it could likely be someone who is following him executing "scare-tactics) to push him into giving in with some answers ???

just so redneck? huh? really?!

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[bettiepageturner]

I hope any potential perp isn't reading our reactions here to hone his or her "media strategy." I certainly wouldn't want them to know about any of our super secret professionally-crafted foolproof maneuvers, like giving up already on trying to outsmart everyone and revealing where Heather is while there's still time to bargain and possibly proving there's a molecule or two of humanity left in you.

Oh bother, I've said too much.. :silenced:

 

[ShaShaGa]

But it might also put somebody in a place they may claim they never were or if HE and another persons fingerprint/DNA were on the same item (sharing a soda for example)

Possible , but it(whatever "it" is)could have possibly been in her car for a long period of time as her dad had said(something to the effect)early on her car was a mess so my guess is that she didnt clean it out on a regular basis . Or, if there's evidence of "someone else" who shouldn't have and never would have been in HE's car, then they would have some "splaining" to do.... And HE wouldn't have been sharing a coke with him/her ...

 

[Foxfire]

Unsettling prospect! Great point. Reminds me of RAT while he was being investigated for Samantha Clarke's disappearance and how he got LE off his back claiming they were victimizing him for no reason, wasting energy, etc. (they put a tracking device on him without following warrant protocol.. makes sense why MB LE is being so cautious, I guess). It's been said a few times that the prosecution needs to show that they adequately investigated every venue (in RAT's example, again, they had to go find the mystery dreadlocks guy).. if the perp fabricates enough "venues" a case could never go to trial! That's what worries me every time I see these dummy accounts posting on er, news articles about HE's case with outlandish "alternative" suggestions as to what happened.

Yes bettiepageturner, this behavior was present during the Jennifer Ramsaran(NY) investigation. Many times an indicator of this obvious deflection tactic is when their children are used as a shield in their antics of victimization, imo..

 

[hockeymom4]

I'm missing something here? I can see the police report on MSM. Left of
artile, related documents.


http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_3c018162-98d4-11e3-b6e3-001a4bcf6878.html

Please refer to Salem's post, to her question, to which I replied.

 

[ShaShaGa]

just so redneck? huh? really?!

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"Redneck enough", then??? (thinking they should take the law into their own hands)

 

[hockeymom4]

Thank you, Hockeymom4. I'm still learning, and SOOO confused.

Your welcome. So am I. I would have replied to you and included her original comment, but I don't know how. I don't know how to do a lot of things on here and am confused about a lot of things plus personally, have a lot going on today.

 

[Quill]

"Redneck enough", then??? (thinking they should take the law into their own hands)

Redneck means different things to different people. It can be considered offensive by some. For instance, my father could have been referred to as a "redneck" because he was a farmer who worked hard all of his life, bore a deep red skin tone on his neck due to his hard work in the sun, was a gun owner(responsible) and hunter, and wore overalls every day of his retired life. Stereotype right? But he was a veteran, had a college degree and worked an additional job (per his degree) and was a very good, law-abiding, person who was intelligent.

Stereotypes can be tricky. :moo:

 

[ShaShaGa]

Redneck means different things to different people. It can be considered offensive by some. For instance, my father could have been referred to as a "redneck" because he was a farmer who worked hard all of his life, bore a deep red skin tone on his neck due to his hard work in the sun, was a gun owner(responsible) and hunter, and wore overalls every day of his retired life. Stereotype right? But he was a veteran, had a college degree and worked an additional job (per his degree) and was a very good, law-abiding, person who was intelligent.

Stereotypes can be tricky. :moo:

I refer to my brothers in a joking way as "rednecks" all the time ( they too are very intelligent, hardworking people)however, the context I used it in,in the sentence (meant to,anyway) was to describe shallow people who could be pulling these stunts in MB toward OMM- I in no way meant it as derogatory to upstanding citizens - I was referring to someone who could commit criminal activity - I surely did NOT mean to insult anyone's family member and apologize for the use of the word . I really didn't foresee it offending anyone as her in Ga. where I live, it is a commonly used word and can be used with different intentions(good and bad)- ::facepalm::

 

[NewYork625]

This is completely O/T but Angie's List pisses me off so much. Who in the world wants to pay to read a business review? Obviously, lot of people, I guess. I'm just not one of them.


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I go by word of mouth, and also keep a 10 year old phone book. I figure if a company/contractor is still around 10 years later, they can't be too bad!

 

[bestill]

Anyone know the date that HE first mentioned OMM on Twitter? Wasn't it in February? TIA

 

[Quill]

I refer to my brothers in a joking way as "rednecks" all the time ( they too are very intelligent, hardworking people)however, the context I used it in,in the sentence (meant to,anyway) was to describe shallow people who could be pulling these stunts in MB toward OMM- I in no way meant it as derogatory to upstanding citizens - I was referring to someone who could commit criminal activity - I surely did NOT mean to insult anyone's family member and apologize for the use of the word . I really didn't foresee it offending anyone as her in Ga. where I live, it is a commonly used word and can be used with different intentions(good and bad)- ::facepalm::

You haven't offended me. I've just come to realize that it really does have very different connotations to different people. I'm not far away from GA and totally get what you're saying about it being a commonly used word with good and bad intentions. I'm careful how I use it these days. I think we are saying the same thing. Sorry if I misunderstood. :loveyou:

 

[Salem]

Okay - the "contractor" info came from sleuthing an unnamed by LE POI/suspect so it is not allowed here. No discussion of OMM's work, etc.

Salem

 

[floridamomma]

I refer to my brothers in a joking way as "rednecks" all the time ( they too are very intelligent, hardworking people)however, the context I used it in,in the sentence (meant to,anyway) was to describe shallow people who could be pulling these stunts in MB toward OMM- I in no way meant it as derogatory to upstanding citizens - I was referring to someone who could commit criminal activity - I surely did NOT mean to insult anyone's family member and apologize for the use of the word . I really didn't foresee it offending anyone as her in Ga. where I live, it is a commonly used word and can be used with different intentions(good and bad)- ::facepalm::

I adore my hard working redneck hubby. your post, IMO, implied "idiot". sorry if I took it the wrong way.

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[Ghostwheel]

BBM my mom was actually telling me yesterday she heard they are smarter than dogs. Totally random conversation between she and I but I found that very hard to believe and interesting once I Googled it.

What we need are some SAR pigs.....

I would give a guess as to someone's height based on them sitting in a car. It may be wrong, but I would certainly make a guess. Hopefully there are cameras in this area and they can catch the car. I also feel confident that they will catch the jeep, as that area had to have cameras as well.

The only problem with taking a random guess at someone's height while they are sitting is that there is a very large difference between a person 5'8" and someone 6'. If you guess wrong when describing someone, LE will be looking for a short person when they should be looking for a tall person (or vice versa). It would also be grounds for anyone arrested who was much taller (or shorter) to say it wasn't them, because they were not that height.

The recent Feb 20 police report has interesting info in it. The "incident" appears to have occurred at TGIF and evidently OMM has a key and was able to run into the building and lock himself in until LE arrived, possibly where he's now working? And OMM was transported to the hospital by a medic, how was he injured?

JMO

I would suppose he might have tripped over something in his panic to get inside. (I wonder if it would be cause for workman's comp to kick in?) Or it's possible he was already hurt from something (on the job or something else), which is why he was outside, and that injury was not related to the police report, just an aside as to why LE took him to the hospital.

I refer to my brothers in a joking way as "rednecks" all the time ( they too are very intelligent, hardworking people)however, the context I used it in,in the sentence (meant to,anyway) was to describe shallow people who could be pulling these stunts in MB toward OMM- I in no way meant it as derogatory to upstanding citizens - I was referring to someone who could commit criminal activity - I surely did NOT mean to insult anyone's family member and apologize for the use of the word . I really didn't foresee it offending anyone as her in Ga. where I live, it is a commonly used word and can be used with different intentions(good and bad)- ::facepalm::

It is an interesting fact that the term redneck is not listed as being a very positive noun. From the definition, you could not be very educated, if at all, and be a redneck. I wonder if the colloquial meaning has just changed over the years, and never made it to the dictionary.
noun
1. an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.
2. a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.

adjective
3.
Also, red-necked. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude. Synonyms: biased, narrow-minded, intolerant