Identified! SC - Myrtle Beach, WhtFem at beach, dolphin tat, May'13 - Robin Kelly

[just jen]

Looking through missing women from North Carolina I came across Barbara Ann Hutchinson. Due to lack of many details, daughter not filing her as missing until a year later, possibility of a woman who moved to the coast to purposely be alone, not having much contact with family, etc. could be why we don't have an identification yet. No mention of Barbara having a tattoo either, but that could be, again, lack of close contact with family members, etc. Big discrepancy that jumps out would be eye color mentioned on NAMUS vs the sketch showing blue-ish colored eyes. Mrs. Hutchinson has blue eyes. It also describes her as having blonde hair, but it looks reddish in the photo (although not the best photo albeit).

Your opinions?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hutchinson_barbara.html

 

[astridxx]

The other big discrepancy is the weight -- Hutchinson was only 125 and the UID looks like she was a healthy 175+. I mean, it's plausible BH gained 50+ lbs in a year.

Teresa Shannon

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/shannon_teresa.html
Would have been in 60s, disappeared in 1999 from Lugoff, SC, 5'4" - 5'9", heavy-set. But, they suspect foulplay. IMO the face is similar to the sketch.


Donna Lagermann
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9153/40

Missing since May 2001 from Missouri. Left behind 2 teenagers. Probably not a match due to noticeable scars on back and abdomen.

 

[astridxx]

Daria Finn

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14405/252
Missing from mid-Atlantic VA -- was en route to a beach town on the coast of the Atlantic to have maintenance done on a boat. They found her friend's body but they never found hers. Could she have survived and tried to forget the horrible memory? This one is a long shot.. but I like that this woman was into boating.

Essie Williams

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20777/319
Missing from KY, height and weight fit -- no other clues in her case except she "has mental problems". Gone since May 2012.

 

[hannah1988]

Woohoo! I love to see so much activity on this thread.

Thanks for posting all of these possibilities.

Hutchinson -- The circumstances fit very well. I could see her getting a tattoo and gaining weight over 6 years especially if she is living alone. However Hutchinson would be 67 years old when the UID was found which would put her outside of the age range.

Shannon -- She suffers from multiple sclerosis; wouldn't this have been mentioned/found in the UID?

Lagerman -- Good possibility, but I agree that it's probably not her because of the scars.

Williams -- Her face looks broader than the sketches of the UID, but it's possible. I wish we had more information. The circumstances section just says "Caution Mental Problems" and I haven't found any info about her online.

 

[astridxx]

What do you think about Finn?

 

[hannah1988]

What do you think about Finn?

Ha! I didn't include her on my post because I wasn't sure what to think. The jawline looks different to me than the sketch, but I'm not confident in my ability to do facial comparisons. The boating connection on the east cost is very nice.

Here's a news story that I dug up about the boating accident: http://matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/public/sites/679/assets/01.02.10.pdf. On page 13, it says that they weren't able to confirm that Finn was on the boat...Well, well -- this is interesting. Don't get me wrong; it's a long long shot, but it is possible.

On a side note -- Theres is a very nice memorial page for Robin Lamb--the boat passenger who was located after their accident: http://www.williamsfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/Willia8/obit.cgi?user=1450_RLamb860.

 

[astridxx]

Great find Hannah!!

I didn't notice that Daria Finn's weight was listed at 121 (though her face makes her look heavier). But, it's not impossible to put on 50lbs during 4 years time.

http://www.paulalangguthryan.com/pdf/may2010.pdf

Here's a blurb from a friend of hers but it was TL;DR


I can't see a visible skin tag on DF's picture, so she's probably not the UID.

 

[hannah1988]

Thanks for the link! I noticed that her weight was lower, but judging by her pictures it didn't concern me much. She looked heavier than 120, and even if she was 120, you're right -- she could have gained 50 lbs in that time.

Also, skin tags can pop up pretty quickly. IMO, there would be enough time for her to develop one between when she went missing and when she was found.

Let me emphasize that I don't think it's her, I just agree with you that it's worth exploring...

 

[just jen]

The other big discrepancy is the weight -- Hutchinson was only 125 and the UID looks like she was a healthy 175+. I mean, it's plausible BH gained 50+ lbs in a year.

BH was declared missing in 2007... It would be easy to gain that much weight in 6 years. (I wish I could say I don't personally know how to verify that... ;-)

Hutchinson -- The circumstances fit very well. I could see her getting a tattoo and gaining weight over 6 years especially if she is living alone. However Hutchinson would be 67 years old when the UID was found which would put her outside of the age range.

I think I have seen varying ages for our UI. The title thread says she is younger, but I believe I saw on NAMUS, they said she could be a bit older.

Which brings me to a question. We are not given a birthdate for BH, I am fairly new to this- does CharleyProject automatically update as the years go by? As in, BH is mentioned as being 61- is that the age she went missing or would that be her age now? If our UI is a red-head, looks can be deceiving especially for that reason, so I am not sure what all they go by when estimating age.

As for the other possibilities- I like Finn better for our possible UI. The nose is closer (IMO) and she has that same "tired" look. :-( I also like that she was into boating. I don't see the tell-tale eye skin tag. Is that something that can pop up suddenly? The only experience I have with this, somewhat, is from working in animal clinics for years. Dogs would often get them as they aged. I just don't know if this is the same for people, especially being one on the eyelid or if this is more of a birthmark thing.

I get the feeling this is someone who moved there to be alone for some reason. I suspect she was buying her own house (landlord would have showed up by now asking where the rent is) or lived with someone, but, then again, why not report her missing at this point. Back to her possibly living alone, I assume the electric/water companies are wondering why they haven't been paid. Possibly something regarding this will come up soon. (Water/electric getting shut off due to non-payment.) It is sad to think that might be what leads us to an answer here.

A question regarding NAMUS, seeing from some other cases, I know there can be some HUGE discrepancies sometimes after cases have been solved and one is able to compare the sketches/details to reality. Do they tend to be pretty right on the money? The eye color right now is what is bugging me- blue/grey eyes in sketch, but says brown eyes on NAMUS.

Also, and this probably means little, but we lived in NC for about 8 years. I bought a bathing suit down there (Myrtle Beach) a few years ago. Her suit reminds me of the choices I had seen in a Wings store. It is the same style, etc. (Upon closer inspection, it looks like her suit had a 'skirt' on it. It looks to be kind of pulled up in one of the pictures-same style I had. As a matter of fact, they were all flowers in the designs- I just chose a different one.) Anyways, not sure that info matters. I tried looking up hibiscus swimsuits but couldn't find an exact match.

 

[astridxx]

Okay, I just spoke with the ME and he's going to check her file and get back to me about the scratches around her neck, though, he suggested it could have been from her bouncing around in the water before they pulled her out.

 

[just jen]

Thanks astridxx! I wonder if she could have had glasses on and a lanyard keeping them from falling off. Possibility the glasses were still on part of the time, caught on something, and the lanyard rubbed/scratched her neck there. (Will be interesting to see if there are identical marks on both sides too.)

Who knows though, could have rubbed against some debris, driftwood, etc.

Would also be interesting to learn why the ace bandage(s) on her leg. Although being in the water some time might have affected the application- did it looked professionally placed? I think I read somewhere they estimated time in water/TOD of 5 hours prior to being found. Regardless, someone did a good job placing that bandage since it stayed on during that whole time. I am wondering if a doctor somewhere had a patient not show up for follow-up appointments, etc.

 

[astridxx]

When he calls back I will ask about the bandage.

 

[carbuff]

I can testify from personal experience that yes, it is possible to gain 60+ pounds in a year, and yes, skin tags can develop very rapidly as you age -- sometimes in a matter of weeks.

 

[astridxx]

I can testify from personal experience that yes, it is possible to gain 60+ pounds in a year, and yes, skin tags can develop very rapidly as you age -- sometimes in a matter of weeks.

Nonetheless I wouldn't be able to compare DF to the UID unless I had a picture of the UID's face that WASN'T an artist rendering.

No news or calls from the ME

 

[just jen]

Hopefully news soon from ME. Maybe this means he/she has a lead and is busy right now.

I agree with us needing a true PM photo vs rendering.

 

[carbuff]

Nonetheless I wouldn't be able to compare DF to the UID unless I had a picture of the UID's face that WASN'T an artist rendering.

No news or calls from the ME

No, of course you couldn't, and I didn't mean to imply that you could. Only meant that if the UID did have skin tags it wouldn't rule MF out because the tags could have developed after she was last seen.

Bummer about no new news...

 

[Chuz Life]

I tried to send this information to the Myrtle Beach PD but the website rejected the message. The Police Dispatcher sent me on a wild goose chase for a detective who sent me to voice mail.

This is the message I sent.

Please give me your comments an analysis before I pursue it any further.

Thanks.

Please contact me in reference to the unidentified woman's body found on the beach.

I ran across your news story and recognized the sketch as matching another woman's picture - who was reported missing in Kentucky.

Here are the links:

News: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/05/30/3512632/myrtle-beach-police-release-sketch.html

Missing Woman: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20777/319

Her Picture: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/36790

 

[psyquestor]

In regards to the above two photos: they do not look like a match to me. The faces are different lengths, foreheads are quite different and the noses are not at all similar in length.

In short, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Chuz Life]

In regards to the above two photos: they do not look like a match to me. The faces are different lengths, foreheads are quite different and the noses are not at all similar in length.

In short, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

Only one of them is a photo - the other is a sketch of the body postmortem and (if it's the same woman) a considerable amount of time since she was reported missing.

If you examine the age, height, weight, hair color, etc.

You can't really rule her out (in my opinion).

Also, while I agree some of the features are a questionable match, the eyes, shape of the mouth and hair are very similar to me.

If nothing else, we will just have another name to exclude and that's a net gain in the long run.

 

[StJohn]

I tried to send this information to the Myrtle Beach PD but the website rejected the message. The Police Dispatcher sent me on a wild goose chase for a detective who sent me to voice mail.

This is the message I sent.

Please give me your comments an analysis before I pursue it any further.

Thanks.

Please contact me in reference to the unidentified woman's body found on the beach.

I ran across your news story and recognized the sketch as matching another woman's picture - who was reported missing in Kentucky.

Here are the links:

News: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/05/30/3512632/myrtle-beach-police-release-sketch.html

Missing Woman: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20777/319

Her Picture: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/36790

They do resemble, IMO, especially the eyes & mouth. Face of the missing lady looks heavier, but we don't know when the picture was taken. Thank you for caring enough to submit this info to MBPD. Hopefully they will at least look into it.