SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston; Dylann Roof charged #2

[YESorNO]

Just stopping by this AM to post some articles

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DYLANN ROOF WROTE TWO WHITE SUPREMACIST MANIFESTOS

"CHARLESTON, S.C. (Reuters) - Investigators found two handwritten manifestos espousing white supremacy in the car and jail cell of a white man accused of killing nine black parishioners at a Charleston, South Carolina, church last year, according to a court document filed on Monday.

Investigators also found handwritten letters and a list of churches among the papers belonging to accused killer Dylann Roof, who faces trial on 33 federal crimes including hate crimes, obstruction of religious practice and firearms charges...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has said Roof wrote an online racist manifesto in the weeks before the shootings. The writings referred to on Monday would be the first physical documents to be used against Roof.

Prosecutors plan to call a handwriting expert to testify that the manifestos match Roof's penmanship..."

http://www.newsweek.com/dylann-roof...tos-charleston-church-shootings-blacks-492614
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Charleston church shooting: Who is Dylann Roof? (with clip)

"(CNN)Dylan Storm Roof's website hinted at why he chose "historic" Charleston to shoot nine people to death at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in South Carolina. Along with a long, hate-filled screed, the 21-year-old included photos of himself burning an American flag, taking aim with a pistol and posing proudly at sites connected to the Confederacy...

The website, called "The Last Rhodesian," is registered to Roof and lists him as its administrator. ..

As far as a burgeoning streak of racism, Mullins recalled Roof occasionally making racist comments, but said he had black friends at the same time.

"They were just racist slurs in a sense," he said. "He would say it just as a joke. ... I never took it seriously, but now that he shed his other side, so maybe they should have been taken more seriously."

The months leading up to the shooting were a mix of troubling and odd. The Suboxone episode got him banned from the Columbiana Centre mall for a year, but Roof nevertheless returned April 26, prompting another arrest, and this time, a three-year ban from the mall...

..investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said..."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/
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[YESorNO]

Prosecutors: Accused church shooter wrote manifesto in jail

"...CHARLESTON, SC (WCSC) -
The man accused of killing nine parishioners of a downtown Charleston church wrote a jailhouse manifesto, according to federal prosecutors.

Prosecutors made that claim in a motion filed Monday that outlines all of the expert witnesses they plan to call to the stand during the trial of Dylann Roof. The areas of expertise for the experts include computer and electronic media forensics, firearms identification, gunshot residue, DNA analysis and latent fingerprint examination.

One handwriting analyst will testify that he examined several documents written by Roof, including two manifestos, one found in Roof's car and the other in his jail cell.
Federal prosecutors also plan to call one or two experts who have specialized expertise in the area of white supremacy extremism..."

http://www.live5news.com/story/32816355/prosecutors-accused-church-shooter-wrote-manifesto-in-jail
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[YESorNO]

Dylann Storm Roof's friend took gun away during 'crazy' bigoted rant 2 weeks before Charleston church shooting

"...A friend, Joseph Meek, 20, told the Daily News he had taken the .45 Glock away from Roof two weeks ago after Roof went on a drunken, bigoted rant about segregation and killing people.

“He said he was planning for about six months to do something crazy,” said Meek, who is white. “He wanted it to be segregated. He wanted it to be white with the white, black with the black. All the races segregated.

“He wanted to do something big, like the Trayvon Martin case,” said Meek, referring to the unarmed black teen gunned down in 2012 in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. “He was upset about it. It made him mad.”

Meek said he took the gun away but, prompted by his own legal troubles, returned it the next day.

“I only took it away because he was drunk. I didn’t take him seriously,” Meek said. “I do feel a little guilty because I could have let someone know.”...

Cowles said that while Roof was quiet and kept to himself, he was never diagnosed with mental illness or, as far as he was aware, harbored hate for blacks...

Another friend, Dalton Tyler, 20, said Roof talked openly about wanting segregation and his desire to start a civil war. He recalled Roof once yelling a racial slur and threatening a black woman for merely looking at him...

Another photo posted to social media shows Roof sitting on the hood of his black 2000 Hyundai Elantra GS with a Confederate flag plate on the front bumper...

Records obtained by The News showed Roof had several run-ins with the law. He was arrested Feb. 28 at Columbia’s Columbiana Centre shopping mall on drug charges...

He was arrested after a search turned up a bottle containing strips of Suboxone, a narcotic used to treat opiate addiction, which he didn’t have a prescription for..."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...church-shooter-gun-birthday-article-1.2262393
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An American void
He showed them his gun. He spoke of doing ‘something crazy.’ Why do the friends Dylann Roof stayed with before the Charleston church shooting shrug about their inaction?

"...When Roof showed up asking Joey for a place to stay, Joey says, he invited him in without hesitation. When Roof told him that he believed in segregation, Joey didn’t ask why. When Roof mentioned driving two hours to Charleston and visiting a church called Emanuel AME, he didn’t ask anything about it. When Roof said that he was going to “do something crazy,” as Joey remembers it, he and Lindsey hid Roof’s gun but then gave it back, blowing it all off as a drunken episode.

“I didn’t take him seriously,” is what Joey says again and again to the people who keep asking the same questions again and again, including investigators who arrived at the trailer after one of the most notorious mass killings in recent American history.

Why did he do nothing? they asked.

What kind of people would do nothing?...

“Would you believe your friend if they said something like that when they were drunk?” Joey says, shaking his head. “You can’t tell me you would. I didn’t believe it. I brushed it off.”...

How he took away Roof’s gun that drunken night, and how he gave it back. Why had he given it back?

“I thought he was going to do something that night, in his drunkenness,”......"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/09/12/an-american-void/
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[YESorNO]

Everything We Know About the Charleston Shooting and the Alleged Gunman

06/18/15
"...Roof has reportedly been arrested before and is currently out on bond over drug and trespassing charges filed earlier this year....

Roof’s car has reportedly been identified by police as a black Hyundai with the license plate LGF330...

Former classmates also say Roof was into abusing prescription drugs and “made a lot of racist jokes” in high school...

The "Dylan Roof" with one "n" on Facebook is NOT the Charleston shooter

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http://gawker.com/everything-we-know-about-the-charleston-shooting-and-th-1712189127
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[YESorNO]

Mass Murderers Fit Profile, as Do Many Others Who Don’t Kill

"They have become one of the most notorious and alarming stripes of evil. People who, when you think back, seemed off. Didn’t dress right. Kept to themselves. Were nursing a bitterness that smoldered inside of them.

And then they picked up guns and went out and killed as many as they could.

In the aftermath, the same questions arise: Why didn’t everyone know? Why weren’t they stopped?...

What seems telling about the killers, however, is not how much they have in common but how much they look and seem like so many others who do not inflict harm.
Weaving a profile of the public mass murderer, drawing on threads that have been identified, can reveal the broad contours of a certain type of individual. But those contours are indistinct enough to apply to countless others — the recluse next door with poor hygiene who never speaks — who will never pick up a gun and go out and murder.
“The big problem is that the kind of pattern that describes them describes tens of thousands of Americans — even people who write awful things on Facebook or the Internet,” said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University who has studied and written about mass murderers. “We can’t round up all the people who scare us.”..

Those who study these types of mass murderers have found that they are almost always male (all but two of the 160 cases isolated by Dr. Duwe). Most are single, separated or divorced. The majority are white. With the exception of student shooters at high schools or lower schools, they are usually older than the typical murderer, often in their 30s or 40s.

They vary in ideology. They generally have bought their guns legally. Many had evidence of mental illness, particularly those who carried out random mass killings. But others did not, and most people with mental illness are not violent.

“They’re depressed,” Dr. Fox said. “They’re not out of touch with reality. They don’t hear voices. They don’t think the people they’re shooting are gophers.”...

They do not fit in. Their most comfortable companion is themselves...

“They have a history of frustration,” he went on. “They externalize blame. Nothing is ever their fault. They blame other people even if other people aren’t to blame. They see themselves as good guys mistreated by others.”..

“They see them as heroes,” Dr. Fox said. “Someone who wins one for the little guy.”...

The majority of mass shooters, experts believe, target specific people for specific reasons. Explicit writings or social media postings sometimes reveal their motivation...

Other mass killers strike against broad categories — a religious group or immigrants or women. “They may kill strangers, but certain types of strangers,” Dr. Fox said...

Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old white high school dropout charged in the June massacre of nine black people at Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, had registered a website where he posted a four-page screed about his quest for white supremacy...

From his research, Dr. Fox believes that in the universe of mass murderers, including the domestic killers, the robbers and the burglars, mental illness was not a significant factor...

Research does show that people with serious mental illnesses, like schizophrenia, major depression or bipolar disorder, pose a modestly higher risk of violence. But most people who are mentally ill are not violent...

With many of the killers, the signs are of anger and disappointment and solitude..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/mass-murderers-fit-profile-as-do-many-others-who-dont-kill.html
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Inside the Race to Stop the Next Mass Shooter

"... mass murder is not an impulsive crime. Virtually every one of these attacks, forensic investigations show, is a predatory crime, methodically planned and executed. ...

A growing body of research has shed light on this "pathway to violence." It often begins with an unshakable sense of grievance, which stirs thoughts about harming people and leads to the planning and preparation for an attack...

A confluence of behaviors can indicate that someone is poised to walk into a school or a shopping mall and open fire. These include an obsession with weapons, a fixation on images of violence, and a history of aggressive acts that aren't directly related to the planned attack—possibly a way for the perpetrator to test his resolve...

In fact, the vast majority of mass shooters signal their intentions in advance, though usually not directly to their intended targets. This "leakage," as threat assessment teams call it, can be difficult to recognize. Before Dylann Roof murdered nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, he told a friend about his desire to kill people and start a race war. (The friend claimed he didn't think Roof was serious.) ..

Decades of research have shown that the link between mental disorders and violent behavior is small and not useful for predicting violent acts. (People with severe mental disorders are in fact far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators.)..."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/mass-shootings-threat-assessment-shooter-fbi-columbine
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[YESorNO]

Sorry, but I don't see any motive in this case. When they start throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, you know the fix is in:

This:

"...At times, 21-year-old Roof laughed and talked excitedly about the killing and his extreme views of white supremacy.

"Well, I had to do it because somebody had to do something because black people are killing white people everyday. They rape 100 white people a day," Roof said. "What I did is so miniscule to what they do the white people everyday all the time."

http://abcnews4.com/news/crime-news...-emanuel-from-dylann-roof-in-friday-testimony

 

[YESorNO]

No where in the evidence is there any explanation for this. Did the cops even ask him about this? Did they interview the guy whose plates were stolen? I don't like loose ends.

Still can't see how this piece of "evidence" is relevant. So, the plates were not his. How does this affect the trial and what Roof did?


Any racist extreme enough to kill innocent people is certainly NOT going to have any black friends!

And you know this ...how?




Or maybe Roof never made any confession. They can do anything with today's video and audio technical wizardry. Fake news, anybody?

Fake news? So you don't believe that the confession video is real? Someone (?) tampered with it ? For what reason?
Please explain.





Mr Bruck and his colleagues have an uneviable record of getting each and everyone of their clients into a concrete box at supermax for life. That's what you call a 'good' lawyer? Any overworked public defender could do as well.

Mr. Bruck's clients are mostly criminals who are facing the DP: (I think I posted this article previously)

"...Legendary death penalty lawyer David Bruck, who has more than 35 years of experience in South Carolina and around the nation representing people accused of heinous killings, has been appointed lead defense lawyer for alleged white supremacist killer Dylann Roof, according to federal court records...

But his record shows that few of his clients are acquitted by juries. Instead, Bruck concentrates on either getting life sentences during the punishment phase of a capital case, or getting a death penalty overturned on appeal..."

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article28395781.html

Where do you think these killers should be put- in a minimum security prison- to be paroled one day? I certainly don't want them walking on the street at all- ever. They belong in "a concrete box at supermax for life", IMO.

BBM

 

[YESorNO]

This quote from the journal is hardly a ringing endorsement of that theory:

Chad K. Mills ‏@ChadKMills 1m1 minute ago
"I would love for there to be a race war," she reads from the journal. "But I'm not sure we even need to have one." #DylannRoof #RoofTrial

One post in a journal does not show completely what's in Roof's mind, IMO.

Maybe you are one of those people who need to hear it from the "horse's mouth"- but then you don't believe the video, so....How about Roof getting on the stand and spouting his motives- will you believe then ? (but, wait- we only have tweets from reporters- you might not believe them). You need to be there yourself maybe? But then there's your mind-control theory- what then?? Seems you don't believe that Roof is responsible for his killings because of mind control?

And what about the witnesses to Roof's rampage? Don't believe them either?

Hmmm..:thinking:....What DO you believe?

 

[YESorNO]

Roof admitted he wrote the manifesto? Source?

I don't think Roof needed to actually say he wrote the on-line manifesto, IMO

DYLANN ROOF WROTE TWO WHITE SUPREMACIST MANIFESTOS

"CHARLESTON, S.C. (Reuters) - Investigators found two handwritten manifestos espousing white supremacy in the car and jail cell of a white man accused of killing nine black parishioners at a Charleston, South Carolina, church last year, according to a court document filed on Monday.

Investigators also found handwritten letters and a list of churches among the papers belonging to accused killer Dylann Roof, who faces trial on 33 federal crimes including hate crimes, obstruction of religious practice and firearms charges...

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has said Roof wrote an online racist manifesto in the weeks before the shootings. The writings referred to on Monday would be the first physical documents to be used against Roof.

Prosecutors plan to call a handwriting expert to testify that the manifestos match Roof's penmanship..."

http://www.newsweek.com/dylann-roof...tos-charleston-church-shootings-blacks-492614

But From what you have been posting,maybe you won't believe the FBI's findings?


DR might have been in that church and was shooting, but I don't know if he is guilty. If he was under the influence of MK-Ultra style mind control, then his culpability would be less. I have been studying these Columbine-style shooters for a long time, and that is what is probably behind this whole mass-shooting phenomenon. I set out my suspicions about this case in this post here:

Snipped the link (FYI: not suppose to link other forums)


Now you seem to be saying the Roof is under some kind of mind control??? is that performed by the gov't-CIA ...or what- aliens...some secret plan/plot by some unknown group?

:silly:

Forgive me- I don't mean to laugh, but this sounds like conspiracy theory stuff.
(although, I am well aware that previously,the gov't has done some sort of mind control years ago)

I find that conspiracy theorist are full of malice and are suspicious, imaginative,...skeptics- believing their theories instead of circumstance and coincidence -and, generally, have a lack of trust. Some are paranoid, IMO. They have selective scrutiny- seeing only what they want to see and be damn the rest.

People low in trust of others are likely to believe that others are colluding against them, IMO, or , in the case of Roof - not believing what others are saying about the situation, even when hearing it out of the mouth of some one involved in the situation-EG, the confession video (as you have stated). Also, having negative beliefs about the "establishment " - the police, lawyers,etc., in general. They tell themselves that they’re the ones who see the lies, and the rest of us are sheep/gullible. But believing that everybody’s lying is just another kind of gullibility, IMO.

I'm not saying any of this about you- as you have stated "if"- just your mind control theory and the video confession theory (in your previous post) is something I wouldn't have thought of and haven't thought that anyone would bring this up in the case of Roof. I don't see it myself. Why would you have even thought of that?

So what exactly is this mind control theory of yours in Roof's case and why have it at all? Who are the people involved and to what end?








A source would be cool.


ps
What does 'BBM' stand for?

BBM= bold by me

 

[starviego]

From the confession video
http://player.piksel.com/p/fx1u5n94






15:10
Q: So basically you were trying to make a statement, or prove a point on behalf of the white race, is that what you're saying?
A: Yeah in a way, I guess...


16:40
Q: What was the reason you chose Charleston as your location?
A: Well, the reason I chose Charleston is because... you know... it's just... it's... I like Charleston.. It's really nice down there... It's a historic city, you know...
(Note how Roof is unable to answer the question)


29:55
Q: So what was your point then, what point were you trying to make? ..
A: ... because... I just knew that would be a place, where there would be a small amount of black people in one area...
(Once again, he can't answer the question)


57:20
A: I don't know exactly what I've done, you know. ... I don't know how many people are killed, or anything. ...
Q: ..do you think anybody died?
A: I think...(long pause) Yeah, I think somebody died.
Q: I mean, how do you know? ...
A: I don't know for sure, that's the problem.
(Like many another mass shooter, Roof can't remember the deed. That's one reason I am into the MK Ultra hypothesis)

1:10:20
Q: When was it decided 'I'm going to do this' ...
A: I can't tell you. ...I mean, I've been thinking about it.
Q: How long have been thinking about it?
A: (long pause) I can't say.


11:34:00
Q: Do you hope other people emulate you, and go forward? I mean...
A: No, I wouldn't say that.
Q: ... was that in your thought process, 'if I do this, and I'm successful,' then other people might get the courage to do it too?
A: You know, I wouldn't.. no, I don't think that was in my thought process at all. I was never thinking, oh, if I go shoot people, other people were going to go shoot people, no, not at all. ...
Q: ... ultimately your goal was to make race relations worse, right?
A: Right, I mean, I guess that was one of my goals, I guess, I don't know... ...
Q: You're hoping... that white people rise up and, and become aware through what you did?
A: Yes, and it doesn't mean that I want white people to rise up and kill all black people... ...
A: But I don't really have an opinion on Obama or anything like that. You really can't blame Obama


So much for the ''spark a race war' theory!!

 

[starviego]

Or perhaps you could help us pin down what it is you do believe because you're a little all over the place?

I am not wedded to any one theory. Just that I do not believe Roof knowingly, consciously committed this crime.

 

[starviego]

No where in the evidence is there any explanation for this. Did the cops even ask him about this? Did they interview the guy whose plates were stolen? I don't like loose ends.

Still can't see how this piece of "evidence" is relevant. So, the plates were not his. How does this affect the trial and what Roof did?

The cops would want to know if Roof acted alone or had accomplices. That's one reason you can be sure it was investigated. And these too:

http://www.waff.com/story/29351540/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-dylan-roof-in-custody-in-nc
According to a police source in Charlotte, Roof made a stop in Charlotte before he was caught saying he "was here in Charlotte at one point because they got him using his credit card,"
Another source says police received information Roof was traveling along Highway 74. Police sources say law enforcement tracked Roof after he allegedly ditched his cellphone and was using someone else's phone.

If this last part is true, then the official version of some tipster calling in to give them Roof's location is phony. And if the cops lied about that, what else did they lie about?

 

[Spellbound]

The cops would want to know if Roof acted alone or had accomplices. That's one reason you can be sure it was investigated. And these too:

http://www.waff.com/story/29351540/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-dylan-roof-in-custody-in-nc
According to a police source in Charlotte, Roof made a stop in Charlotte before he was caught saying he "was here in Charlotte at one point because they got him using his credit card,"
Another source says police received information Roof was traveling along Highway 74. Police sources say law enforcement tracked Roof after he allegedly ditched his cellphone and was using someone else's phone.

If this last part is true, then the official version of some tipster calling in to give them Roof's location is phony. And if the cops lied about that, what else did they lie about?

I am not wedded to any one theory. Just that I do not believe Roof knowingly, consciously committed this crime.

:gaah: :bricks:
For some reason, this stresses me out. He knew exactly what he was doing, whatever his reasoning may or may not have been. LE can easily "track down a criminal" and also have a tip called in. You seem to be twisting truths to suit your own agenda, whatever that may be. Sorry, but I totally disagree.

and this is all JMO, no links.

 

[Elley Mae]

:gaah: :bricks:
For some reason, this stresses me out. He knew exactly what he was doing, whatever his reasoning may or may not have been. LE can easily "track down a criminal" and also have a tip called in. You seem to be twisting truths to suit your own agenda, whatever that may be. Sorry, but I totally disagree.

and this is all JMO, no links.

I remind myself on occasion, Some things are best left unsaid.

He's going to prison, he will never get out. I
See him being killed there unless he's put in solitary. Jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Still want him executed.

 

[YESorNO]

From the confession video
http://player.piksel.com/p/fx1u5n94






15:10
Q: So basically you were trying to make a statement, or prove a point on behalf of the white race, is that what you're saying?
A: Yeah in a way, I guess...


16:40
Q: What was the reason you chose Charleston as your location?
A: Well, the reason I chose Charleston is because... you know... it's just... it's... I like Charleston.. It's really nice down there... It's a historic city, you know...
(Note how Roof is unable to answer the question)


29:55
Q: So what was your point then, what point were you trying to make? ..
A: ... because... I just knew that would be a place, where there would be a small amount of black people in one area...
(Once again, he can't answer the question)


57:20
A: I don't know exactly what I've done, you know. ... I don't know how many people are killed, or anything. ...
Q: ..do you think anybody died?
A: I think...(long pause) Yeah, I think somebody died.
Q: I mean, how do you know? ...
A: I don't know for sure, that's the problem.
(Like many another mass shooter, Roof can't remember the deed. That's one reason I am into the MK Ultra hypothesis)

1:10:20
Q: When was it decided 'I'm going to do this' ...
A: I can't tell you. ...I mean, I've been thinking about it.
Q: How long have been thinking about it?
A: (long pause) I can't say.


11:34:00
Q: Do you hope other people emulate you, and go forward? I mean...
A: No, I wouldn't say that.
Q: ... was that in your thought process, 'if I do this, and I'm successful,' then other people might get the courage to do it too?
A: You know, I wouldn't.. no, I don't think that was in my thought process at all. I was never thinking, oh, if I go shoot people, other people were going to go shoot people, no, not at all. ...
Q: ... ultimately your goal was to make race relations worse, right?
A: Right, I mean, I guess that was one of my goals, I guess, I don't know... ...
Q: You're hoping... that white people rise up and, and become aware through what you did?
A: Yes, and it doesn't mean that I want white people to rise up and kill all black people... ...
A: But I don't really have an opinion on Obama or anything like that. You really can't blame Obama


So much for the ''spark a race war' theory!!

You wrote:

Like many another mass shooter, Roof can't remember the deed. That's one reason I am into the MK Ultra hypothesis)

To me, he is saying he didn't know at the time if the people he shot were dead. I don't think he stayed to check, IMO.

 

[YESorNO]

The cops would want to know if Roof acted alone or had accomplices. That's one reason you can be sure it was investigated. And these too:

http://www.waff.com/story/29351540/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-dylan-roof-in-custody-in-nc
According to a police source in Charlotte, Roof made a stop in Charlotte before he was caught saying he "was here in Charlotte at one point because they got him using his credit card,"
Another source says police received information Roof was traveling along Highway 74. Police sources say law enforcement tracked Roof after he allegedly ditched his cellphone and was using someone else's phone.

If this last part is true, then the official version of some tipster calling in to give them Roof's location is phony. And if the cops lied about that, what else did they lie about?

On the plates: How do you know it wasn't investigated? Not everything is out in the open yet or has relevance to this case or has much as a significance as you seem to make of it. It may not be a "loose end" for the police. You are just assuming here, IMO.

I don't see whatever the police said is a lie .

I'm sure a lot of people were calling in tips that day and this article just noted some of them, IMO. If you note the date/time of that article:

"Published: Thursday, June 18th 2015, 8:51 am EST
Updated: Sunday, June 28th 2015, 8:55 am EST"

-you will see that this is written at different times, so some different info was added, maybe taken away- according to what the reporter has interpreted in what he has heard/told - at least that's what I see. They may be talking about several different patrol cars.

Take a look at this article:

Charleston Shooting: How a Good Samaritan's 911 Call Led to Dylann Roof's Arrest

"A North Carolina woman's 911 call this morning brought an end to a desperate manhunt for Dylann Roof, the alleged gunman authorities say is responsible for killing nine people in a Charleston, South Carolina, church Wednesday night.

Early this morning, police released pictures from surveillance footage showing Roof, 21, as well as the car he was driving.

Debbie Dills, a bookkeeper who works at a florist shop in Kings Mountain, North Carolina, was leaving church in her car when she looked over and saw a driver next to her with a bowl haircut, she told ABC News.

The observant good Samaritan called her husband and then 911.

Police in Shelby -- about 13 miles west of Kings Mountain where Dills works and 245 miles north of the Charleston church -- said they were informed at 10:32 a.m. today "that a business had contacted them of a possible sighting of the suspect from the Charleston, South Carolina, church shooting traveling into Shelby."

At 10:44 a.m., Roof was apprehended at a traffic stop in Shelby. He was taken into custody five minutes later, police said..."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-good-samaritans-911-call-led-dylann/story?id=31870213

Some articles report things differently, but basically say the same thing, IMO. Both of these articles have stated things differently, but basically say the same thing:

"He was pulled over, identified and arrested at 10:49 a.m.".. (your article)

At 10:44 a.m., Roof was apprehended at a traffic stop in Shelby.... He was taken into custody five minutes later, police said..." (other article)

In looking at both articles, to me the articles say that Roof was apprehended at 10:44 and both articles say that he was taken in to custody/arrested at 10:49. Is this suspicious?

Put these sentences together:

"got a call just after 10:30 a.m. from Kings Mountain Police" ...

"identified and arrested at 10:49 a.m"..

"said they were informed at 10:32 a.m. today "that a business had contacted them "...

"At 10:44 a.m., Roof was apprehended at a traffic stop in Shelby.... He was taken into custody five minutes later, police said..."

I interpret: 911 got a call after 10:30, the police were informed at 10:32 - Roof was IDed , then arrested at 10:49.

Guess it's just how you interpret things and what you want to believe, IMO.

The credit card/phone thing- I take it for what it states by the reporter writing the story-has nothing to do with anything- doesn't say/imply Roof had an accomplice or not and doesn't mean squat, IMO. I'm sure they checked out if Roof acted alone or not (he did act alone, IMO), the credit card, the phone, whatever he had on him and whatever was in the car, his home, his computer, his friends, and whatever else has to do with Roof and what he did.

I don't see people lying/twisting the truth/trying to hide things. Why?

Seems to me that you are picking out minuscule things to support some theory.

Again- to what end- just because you think that there is something wrong here- again, to confirm some theory???

What is it that I have read, (somewhere)? sometimes "a banana is just a banana" (or was it a "cigar"?). Sometimes you have to take things at face value and try not to see/weave a boogie man story into the mix, everywhere you look, IMO. If you want to see them, fine, but you can make anything fit into some kind of theory if you want to, IMO. I'm not gonna waste my time looking for things that might be.

I'm done talking about theories/ifs and I'm sticking to what will be happening at the trial in the coming weeks. It's taking up too much of my limited BW (bandwidth) and I need that to post the tweets. The only things that I am going to address are the things that are presented in court- those are real to me, IMO. I believe what the tweets say and that's why I mainly post 2 different reporters that tweet because they basically say the same things- although sometimes in different words (it would be much easier for me to just post one reporter's tweets).

Roof is guilty of killing 9 innocent people- no ifs, ands, or buts, IMO. Unless it comes out in the trial differently, he acted alone. He had his motive- to kill black people because blah, blah, blah ("someone had to do it") and knew exactly what he was doing and consciously did it. Doesn't matter. He needs to be put away so he doesn't hurt anyone else, IMO.

It must be very hard to live in this world where there is a boogey-man behind every door. :moo:

Done. :escape:

 

[starviego]

Anybody ever fire a large caliber handgun? If you fire 70 to 80 rounds in rapid succession from a .45 your hand will likely get mighty sore and then swell up. They should have checked for this when they arrested Roof the next day, or at least asked him about it.

It's not just one anomaly, it's a whole slew of them.

 

[MsJosie]

Anybody ever fire a large caliber handgun? If you fire 70 to 80 rounds in rapid succession from a .45 your hand will likely get mighty sore and then swell up. They should have checked for this when they arrested Roof the next day, or at least asked him about it.

It's not just one anomaly, it's a whole slew of them.

Please show where your found this information.

 

[Indy Anna]

From the confession video
http://player.piksel.com/p/fx1u5n94






15:10
Q: So basically you were trying to make a statement, or prove a point on behalf of the white race, is that what you're saying?
A: Yeah in a way, I guess...


16:40
Q: What was the reason you chose Charleston as your location?
A: Well, the reason I chose Charleston is because... you know... it's just... it's... I like Charleston.. It's really nice down there... It's a historic city, you know...
(Note how Roof is unable to answer the question)


29:55
Q: So what was your point then, what point were you trying to make? ..
A: ... because... I just knew that would be a place, where there would be a small amount of black people in one area...
(Once again, he can't answer the question)


57:20
A: I don't know exactly what I've done, you know. ... I don't know how many people are killed, or anything. ...
Q: ..do you think anybody died?
A: I think...(long pause) Yeah, I think somebody died.
Q: I mean, how do you know? ...
A: I don't know for sure, that's the problem.(Like many another mass shooter, Roof can't remember the deed. That's one reason I am into the MK Ultra hypothesis)

1:10:20
Q: When was it decided 'I'm going to do this' ...
A: I can't tell you. ...I mean, I've been thinking about it.
Q: How long have been thinking about it?
A: (long pause) I can't say.


11:34:00
Q: Do you hope other people emulate you, and go forward? I mean...
A: No, I wouldn't say that.
Q: ... was that in your thought process, 'if I do this, and I'm successful,' then other people might get the courage to do it too?
A: You know, I wouldn't.. no, I don't think that was in my thought process at all. I was never thinking, oh, if I go shoot people, other people were going to go shoot people, no, not at all. ...
Q: ... ultimately your goal was to make race relations worse, right?
A: Right, I mean, I guess that was one of my goals, I guess, I don't know... ...
Q: You're hoping... that white people rise up and, and become aware through what you did?
A: Yes, and it doesn't mean that I want white people to rise up and kill all black people... ...
A: But I don't really have an opinion on Obama or anything like that. You really can't blame Obama


So much for the ''spark a race war' theory!!

BBM
IMO, this part of the interview says a lot about DSR's motive. He wasn't exactly tying to start a race war because he didn't want other people to emulate him. But, he admits wanting to make race relations worse. IOW, he wanted to control that himself. Power and control are very important to DSR. He wanted to be remembered as the individual responsible for hindering race relations. This desire for power and control is consistent with a narcissistic personality.

DSR does seem very slow in his thought processes. Could have to do with past drug use and may be why he dropped out of school. But, I think that his thought process behind the attack is also so convoluted that he has difficulty expressing it verbally. IMO, another factor with DSR, and IIRC someone mentioned it earlier, is his feeling of isolation. He wanted to feel a connection with a group of people to end that isolation and he wanted to be viewed as the group leader. From what I've read, DSR had AA friends but also made racist comments (only in the presence of white friends, as I understand, because his AA friends didn't seem to recognize his racist tendencies). He must have enjoyed the attention (the feeling of power and control) he received when making racist comments in the presence of his racist peers.

IMO, those are some of the factors in creating his killer mentality. DSR was in control of his actions, and had premeditated those actions for some time. He will always pose a danger to society. JMO