SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #3

[stmarysmead]

Sure we can - no Murdaugh has been charged with any crime in the Smith death. And it was information found at the M's murder scene - not evidence.

No M was not charged for weeks in the boat crash. Time will tell. The word…YET….is still a possibility. There are no absolutes here.
Whether ‘information’ or ‘evidence’ it is linked to the M’s through the discovery process. We must wait to hear more.

 

[stmarysmead]

Maybe, but also maybe they didn't need to be interviewed as they had concrete alibis for the night in question. We just don't know.

Yes, just as we just don’t know that there is “zero proof” against any of the M family. That has been my point all along.

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe, but also maybe they didn't need to be interviewed as they had concrete alibis for the night in question. We just don't know.

Wrong thread for this but the facts are the facts, m’s name was mentioned 40? Times and BM phone was full to leave messege and never responded to email, you would think that a young man with aspirations of becoming a lawyer would email back LE about what he knew. If he didn’t know anything then say so.

Jmo



https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article252957108.html

 

[Sustained]

No M was not charged for weeks in the boat crash. Time will tell. The word…YET….is still a possibility. There are no absolutes here.
Whether ‘information’ or ‘evidence’ it is linked to the M’s through the discovery process. We must wait to hear more.

Correct - let's wait. And let's stop assuming there was evil intent by RM4 to help the Smiths, evil intent on JM's part when taking a lake picture with BM, AM was having an affair, BM hit SS with a baseball bat, etc. There is so much misinformation out there now it's nearly impossible to wade through it all.

 

[stmarysmead]

Maybe, but there is no evidence that Buster or any Murdaugh was involved - just names mentioned in police reports like many other folks, media rumors, and local gossip.

Let’s see, in time, whether the “information’ found during the M investigation…leads to any evidence. This is all new now…with an entirely new investigation of the SS case underway. It’s premature to rule anyone out at this point. Look how long it took to develop enough evidence to charge in some of the other cases on here.

Saying…’maybe they had alibis’ is as much a guess as imagining something negative.

 

[Sustained]

Wrong thread for this but the facts are the facts, m’s name was mentioned 40? Times and BM phone was full to leave messege and never responded to email, you would think that a young man with aspirations of becoming a lawyer would email back LE about what he knew. If he didn’t know anything then say so.

Jmo



https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article252957108.html

Maybe BM's father / grandpa told him if wasn't involved, no need to say anything. Or maybe AM/RM3 told LE that BM was not involved ? Or maybe BM beat SS with a baseball bat and killed him ? Maybe PM was involved as well ?

 

[stmarysmead]

Correct - let's wait. And let's stop assuming there was evil intent by RM4 to help the Smiths, evil intent on JM's part when taking a lake picture with BM, AM was having an affair, BM hit SS with a baseball bat, etc. There is so much misinformation out there now it's nearly impossible to wade through it all.

Unfortunately, part of sleuthing is doing just that. A Board like this is not like one put up by a funeral home, where everyone tries to say something consoling.

It’s more like “Clue’ where we look at Miss Scarlet and then maybe Colonel Mustard….and stretch our minds in the process. We try to sort through the misinformation and the excellent moderation demands that. To me, it’s much preferable to the wild world of FB.

But…unlike the game Clue, no member gets to shut up the ‘Board game’ and tell us to go home. We are here looking at each article, reading each deposition, and trying out theories. If the process is uncomfortable, we can step away.

I have found over the years to stay away from absolutes…like ‘no evidence’…’never’…because usually, as soon as I use them, something contrary is revealed. I appreciate posts where the guesses are all about defending the M family. But they are just unfounded as any ‘rumor.’

Was SS attacked with a bat? Is that a rumor we should ignore? One LE thought that was a possibility.

He considered it due to lack of debris at the scene. Someone here brought up the idea of a aluminum bat and the blue metal flecks that were found. That’s good sleuthing IMO …but yes, could still be a rumor. But LE were working with the same possibility as well.

An affair? My heart went out to Scott Peterson and her family adored him.

But balance of opinions is good. Keeps us all sharpening our wits to debate.

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe BM's father / grandpa told him if wasn't involved, no need to say anything. Or maybe AM/RM3 told LE that BM was not involved ? Or maybe BM beat SS with a baseball bat and killed him ? Maybe PM was involved as well ?

As I said early on it could be someone that is just fed up with the M’s and all the shenanigans that went with them.
With all the dirty laundry that has been exposed about them I imagine there’s doubly more we don’t knew.

Jmo

 

[Sustained]

But balance of opinions is good. Keeps us all sharpening our wits to debate.

Snip and BBM

That's just it - it's not a balance any more than it was in the Steven Avery case when "Making a Murderer" came out. Even with Avery convicted and in jail for many years, any approach that questioned his guilt was crucified on this board.

I'm not ready to join the pitchfork and torches crew when it comes to the Murdaughs without concrete proof they did something criminal and even if one of them did, that doesn't mean all of them did.

 

[sunshineray]

With their influence, the Murdaughs did not need to call the Smith family to sway the investigation.

And how would that have worked out if Buster was found to be involved ?

That WAS their influence at work, IMO. This was not someone working for a railroad getting hurt on the job accepting help from a person injury lawyer or a victim of a hit and run where the driver was known and being charged. This was very different.

Imagine a lawyer calling you on the day your child is found shot dead and left in the road. At that point the medical and LE on scene thought SS was a shooting victim. The Coroner calls you to tell you the preliminary on-scene thoughts of how your child died. Before the news even gets out so friends and family are calling you a personal injury lawyer calls you before your son's killer is even found. Why? What's he going to do for you at that point?

It's beyond weird, IMO

 

[dotr]

Not sure how i missed this complex case, probably nothing new for you guys in this article, subscribing.
CRIME HUNTER: Double murder in Dixie dynasty of death | Toronto Sun
July 25 2021

Margaret "Maggie" Murdaugh, 52, and their youngest son, Paul Murdaugh, 22, were found dead near their dog kennel outside their Colleton County mansion. Photo by MAGGIE MURDAUGH /FACEBOOK
''On June 7, 2021 between 9 and 9:30 p.m. his beloved wife Margaret “Maggie” Murdaugh, 52, and their youngest son, Paul Murdaugh, 22, were found dead near their dog kennel outside their Colleton County mansion.

Cops say the duo had been shot multiple times with a variety of weapon
No one has been arrested.''

''ITEM 1: Cops have revealed that the Murdaugh double slaying is linked to the 2015 murder of Stephen Smith, 19. Smith was found lying dead in the middle of a rural road with severe head injuries and investigators believe he was the victim of a hit and run driver.

According to the Hampton County Guardian, the Murdaugh name appears in police investigation records of this case. It remains unsolved but state detectives have “reopened an investigation into the death of Stephen Smith based upon information gathered during the course of the double murder investigation of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh.”

ITEM 2: Paul Murdaugh was slated to go on trial in the coming months in connection with the Feb. 23, 2019 boat crash that killed Mallory Beach, 19. Investigators at the scene said the boat’s six occupants had been “grossly intoxicated”. Bizarrely, no sobriety tests were conducted at the scene — or the hospital.''

 

[Elley Mae]

Yeah but they are just regular people.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mod Note:

I am unaware if anyone has been named a POI/Suspect in this case. If someone has, please reply to this post with a link to the article as I haven’t followed the case closely. That being said, the Murdaugh family at this time are considered Victims in the loss of MM and PM. Any questionable history of the Murdaugh family does not change WS TOS that we are to avoid accusations and remain victim friendly.

If you observe a post in violation of TOS, please use the “report” link in the post to alert the team. We have hundreds of threads and only a few of us volunteering our personal time behind the curtain. Therefore, we are unable to read each thread and keep tabs on the latest discussions.

Lastly: LINKS - if you are stating something as a fact you must include a link to the approved source.

 

[stmarysmead]

Snip and BBM

That's just it - it's not a balance no more than it was in the Steven Avery case when "Making a Murderer" came out. Even with Avery convicted and in jail for many years, any approach that questioned his guilt was crucified on this board.

I'm not ready to join the pitchfork and torches crew when it comes to the Murdaughs without concrete proof they did something criminal and even if one of them did, that doesn't mean all of them did.

Mod Note:

I am unaware if anyone has been named a POI/Suspect in this case. If someone has, please reply to this post with a link to the article as I haven’t followed the case closely. That being said, the Murdaugh family at this time are considered Victims in the loss of MM and PM. Any questionable history of the Murdaugh family does not change WS TOS that we are to avoid accusations and remain victim friendly.

If you observe a post in violation of TOS, please use the “report” link in the post to alert the team. We have hundreds of threads and only a few of us volunteering our personal time behind the curtain. Therefore, we are unable to read each thread and keep tabs on the latest discussions.

Lastly: LINKS - if you are stating something as a fact you must include a link to the approved source.

Just a clarification please. Then are we unable to discuss on this thread or on the MB thread any negative mention of the M family in any aspect of either case?

 

[Sustained]

I would assume any discussion of the Smith case belongs here :

SC - SC - Stephen Smith, 19, Hampton County, Jul 9, 2015

 

[Tiff23fr]

Just a clarification please. Then are we unable to discuss on this thread or on the MB thread any negative mention of the M family in any aspect of either case?

If something is stated as fact in an approved media source, it may be discussed within the factual context as provided. Going beyond the facts, or using them as possible subtle justifications of a crime against ones family, is where it becomes non-victim friendly.

 

[stmarysmead]

I would assume any discussion of the Smith case belongs here :

SC - SC - Stephen Smith, 19, Hampton County, Jul 9, 2015

Unless the Smith case, in which mediation had just broken down, provides a possible motive. Many permitted media sources are linking the two cases. And the SS case has been reopened due to information found during the investigation of the murders.

 

[Sustained]

Unless the Smith case, in which mediation had just broken down, provides a possible motive. Many permitted media sources are linking the two cases. And the SS case has been reopened due to information found during the investigation of the murders.

You could say the same thing about the MB case. Motive ...

 

[stmarysmead]

You could say the same thing about the MB case. Motive ...

I meant the M case. Thank you…making brunch and sleuthing do not mix.

This is a very difficult case to discuss fairly, I will admit. But both the MB case and the SS case certain;y provide fertile ground for motive. The depositions released in the MB case are illuminating in that whether this was all legal or not, it provides insight into how anger may have been building that led to tragedy. Even the depositions of hospital staff appear appalled.

There is a Mallory Beach memorial site on FB. Please delete if this is inadmissible to post. But there were protests in Hampton…actual protests…due to anger about the handling of this case. Look at the August 20, 2020 post. One outside the grocery store that had to be moved…later outside City Hall.

It is bizarre that the M brothers felt that they had no enemies. If we cannot discuss the mood of people in that small community, we are adopting that same willful blindness they did…and that is extremely unhelpful IMO

 

[worm]

I think I would assume the hunting dogs were in the kennel. Cant imagine anyone letting them out after crime. I don't think they would ignore blood and dead bodies.

JMO.

I can only think that it’s possible that one of the victims had opened a gate just before being shot. If the dogs were even out, I haven’t seen if they were or not. It seems meaningless in relation to who killed them.

I meant the M case. Thank you…making brunch and sleuthing do not mix.

This is a very difficult case to discuss fairly, I will admit. But both the MB case and the SS case certain;y provide fertile ground for motive. The depositions released in the MB case are illuminating in that whether this was all legal or not, it provides insight into how anger may have been building that led to tragedy. Even the depositions of hospital staff appear appalled.

There is a Mallory Beach memorial site on FB. Please delete if this is inadmissible to post. But there were protests in Hampton…actual protests…due to anger about the handling of this case. Look at the August 20, 2020 post. One outside the grocery store that had to be moved…later outside City Hall.

It is bizarre that the M brothers felt that they had no enemies. If we cannot discuss the mood of people in that small community, we are adopting that same willful blindness they did…and that is extremely unhelpful IMO

With the protests, that note left on PMs obit site, that we, I included, considered a tasteless joke, and the reports of anger at the boat crash scene, I’m just leaning towards these murders being related to that crash and PMs above the law status. Stuff like that can, and does, create hostilities within a community that leads to a violent end.