SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #3

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  • #761
Didn’t he volunteer this alibi on the 911 call?
I've only listened to the 911 call once. I thought he said, when asked by 911 if he'd been there when it happened, [paraphrasing] that he'd been out and had just gotten home to find them. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd rather not listen to it again, it's too heartbreaking.
 
  • #762
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  • #763
I’ve thought along these lines too (as the case is proceeding so oddly) … but it’s hard to imagine someone hiring a hit on BOTH these victims, who seem to represent such different characters / concerns.

Many people in town might’ve hated PM MOO but MM wasn’t a spoiled, drunk, nasty teen. Likewise IMO a married woman killed at her home always raises the question of spousal involvement …. but a spouse will not normally kill his own child as well … and if he does want to go for family annihilation, he doesn’t settle for 2 out of 3.

I guess one victim could’ve been just collateral damage to the target… but if not, if all this was intentional, have to imagine it was aimed at AM & meant to send a msg or destroy his life JMO …
In my humble opinion, the hired hit man was there to kill Paul. Mom was a woops, sorry, but we can’t leave eye witnesses .
 
  • #764
I think it was a hired hit. As sometimes happens, the hitman convinced a buddy to go with him and get a cut of the money. Hence, two weapons. JMO.
I think it's a possibility that one or even both of the murder weapons were Murdaugh guns.
 
  • #765
tbh very honest...there is a lot of prejudiced opinions and overreacting concerning this case...
what's so strange about a teen acting the way he was said to act ? are we aware of how teens act ?

I have teenagers of my own and none act any where near like that.

Sure, the male one will occasionally make a politically incorrect comment about "top quality babes" in an area, or advocate that family lunches be taken at Hooters- then encourage his sister to apply.

But, he has never mistreated a girl friend, nor has he ever mistreated a male friend, aquantance, or even the kid he needed to defend himself against (has boxing experience, but stopped well short of truly hurting the aggressor).

Likewise, my wife and I have opened our home to a variety of low to moderate At Risk Youth types (ARYs). Some ARYs just pass through and move on. We have, however, been involved in the lives of other ARYs for years.

One ARY was the aggressor at school on a single occasion after a "Who wears "ho" clothes" discussion escalated to a fight. Another ARY could be known to tell mild jokes, play tricks etc. one time more than she needed to- but was never physically aggressive to anyone, nor was she a "mean girl" socially.

In short, PMs behavior of physical aggression, intense demeaning of others, seems to in the "high ARY" category. This would make him part of a small minority of teens.
 
  • #766
Most law enforcement agencies don't have their own tow fleet. instead there are one or more vendors approved by the city/county/state/etc. for that purpose.

They use a rotating list of approved tow companies here and they are probably the same down there. The tow personal are never alone with evidence like this as LE would have a “chain of custody” record with the car.
 
  • #767
In my humble opinion, the hired hit man was there to kill Paul. Mom was a woops, sorry, but we can’t leave eye witnesses .

I think it's a possibility that one or even both of the murder weapons were Murdaugh guns.

I think we all agree that PM could be the hit and Mom was collateral -- but just one scenario.

If thinking the hitman brought a friend (as someone suggested up thread) is because two weapons were used, then probably PM wasn't the only target -- otherwise no need for two shooters.

But IMO, the guns were probably M guns -- wear gloves and no fingerprints/DNA: The red-roofed building is a large structure and it appears the kennels were a smaller, shallow white-roofed building between the red building and the woods (I would describe it as behind the red-roofed building). There is a good possibility that the guns were stored in the red building, near the dog housing, and probably other hunting gear like vests, jackets, wellies, etc. If guests or paying customers came to hunt, it would make sense to have a large selection of guns available right with the gear. I think at these kind of places the gear and guns are sometimes part of the fee. Sometimes these facilities are also used for executive outings and everyone wouldn't necessarily have a gun.

Additionally, if this were my property, I wouldn't want to store blood stained hunting clothes (the reality of hunting) and muddy boots up in the house, with the family Labrador going crazy over the smells. (Our Golden used to sit by my husband's hard gun case and gear if he he put it by the front door the night before -- she wouldn't budge all night and she had never even gone hunting -- the instinct was just bred into her.) Also, if the Ms owned a lot of guns, which they probably did, why take up space storing them in the house? Keep them near the caretaker for cleaning and maintenance.

My point is, in all likelihood it seems there would have been guns right near the crime scene for any shooter to use. If this was a planned hit, and a family member made the hire, it would be easy enough to provide a combination or hidden key to the stored guns, or the night before, leave the guns unlocked. OMO.

Another thought -- the timing seems late to be feeding dogs, and as someone else suggested and IMO, I doubt PM had many chores, certainly not feeding a dozen dogs. That leaves someone or something enticing him out of the house.

I'm just throwing out these thoughts -- I'm still of a mind the PM murder was targeted and personal. In addition to connections to the MB and SS cases, he had the potential to bring down the family dynasty both financially and in reputation.

Can't decide on whether MM was targeted, too, and in that case it's either "message received and heard," or someone placed a hit on the entire family and AM lucked out with the unplanned emergency.

My trial attorney husband always says, follow the Benjamins.

Just this mornings ponderings and OMO.
 
  • #768
I've seen quite a few members say they think the M's own weapons were used in this crime and its certainly possible.
Yet almost every gun owner/hunter I know keeps his weapons locked up in a gun safe.
 
  • #769
Maybe, but also maybe they didn't need to be interviewed as they had concrete alibis for the night in question. We just don't know.
Interviews aren’t just for suspects. They are given to anyone who may have insight into the victim or a possible suspect/motive. In fact the majority of people interviewed in a crime are typically not suspects. A family of lawyers would know that, which makes their refusal to be interviewed even odder.
 
  • #770
I've seen quite a few members say they think the M's own weapons were used in this crime and its certainly possible.
Yet almost every gun owner/hunter I know keeps his weapons locked up in a gun safe.


SLED blacked out details about “forced entry” and “force used.” The agency said it did so because it revealed “details about the manner in which the crime [was] committed.”

https://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article252778263.html
 
  • #771
SLED blacked out details about “forced entry” and “force used.” The agency said it did so because it revealed “details about the manner in which the crime [was] committed.”

https://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article252778263.html

I had considered this as well, when I mentioned earlier about the possibility of a home invasion.
One of the victims may have been forced to open the safe, even though nothing was stolen.
The fact that nothing of value was stolen removes one of the most practical motives for this crime: Robbery.
 
  • #772
I've seen quite a few members say they think the M's own weapons were used in this crime and its certainly possible.
Yet almost every gun owner/hunter I know keeps his weapons locked up in a gun safe.
They could have been and someone was forced to unlock them or like someone just mentioned they could have been locked inside a structure with other hunting items. I could see MM asking PM to help her feed the digs before they went up to the main house. Saying that they were possibly getting back to the property themselves after seeing the grandfather in hospital. Just some possibilities.
 
  • #773
Interviews aren’t just for suspects. They are given to anyone who may have insight into the victim or a possible suspect/motive. In fact the majority of people interviewed in a crime are typically not suspects. A family of lawyers would know that, which makes their refusal to be interviewed even odder.
I've been trying to find where it was mentioned, was it 3 or 4 days after the murders that PM interviewed with LE?
 
  • #774
They could have been and someone was forced to unlock them or like someone just mentioned they could have been locked inside a structure with other hunting items. I could see MM asking PM to help her feed the digs before they went up to the main house. Saying that they were possibly getting back to the property themselves after seeing the grandfather in hospital. Just some possibilities.

And this would mean that two intruders came upon MM and PM with malice aforethought to get the M's guns and murder them. In order to force the M's to yield access to the guns, it's likely the perpetrators brought guns of their own as well.
 
  • #775
And this would mean that two intruders came upon MM and PM with malice aforethought to get the M's guns and murder them. In order to force the M's to yield access to the guns, it's likely the perpetrators brought guns of their own as well.
Possibly...maybe this was a robbery gone bad?
 
  • #776
Possibly...maybe this was a robbery gone bad?

The best time to break into the house and steal things is when the family is gone. If MM and PM had come home and found thieves in the house, then its likely the bodies would have been located in the house and items would be missing. Yet nothing was taken, the bodies were found near the kennels, and the dogs were left unharmed.
 
  • #777
I've been trying to find where it was mentioned, was it 3 or 4 days after the murders that PM interviewed with LE?

In the aftermath of the accident, Randolph III and Alex Murdaugh showed up at the hospital where Paul was held and encouraged him not to speak with investigators, McCullough said.


Charges in boating death of 19-year-old woman implicate son of powerful SC family


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Prosecutors eventually charged Murdaugh with felony boating under the influence, nearly two months after the crash. The recent records show what may have caused the delay.

Investigation of boat crash involving Paul Murdaugh included missteps, roadblocks

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Not sure if he ever talked to investigators.
 
  • #778
I was thinking that the weapons could have been in PM’s vehicle, at least the shotgun.

Jmo

Eta. If he had/has been threatened, he may have been carrying for protection.
 
  • #779
St. Mary's Mead -- thank you for your solid, non-argumentative responses! Couldn't figure out how to post this on your profile, but you certainly come off as grounded, wise, and objective. I always want to read your posts!
Ditto!
Sorry but I don't think most teens abuse and spit on their girlfriends and have a special name like Timmy when they get drunk and out of control.
Exactly!!
 
  • #780
When I mentioned this case to other half weeks ago & told of events surrounding it he said, a message was sent & received.

Jmo

A guy’s thinking. I really like it. Who, and why does your other half think did it?
 
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