SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #8

[otto]

Did they happen to say how long he had been taking Oxycodone?

I thought I heard during the court hearing, or somewhere upthread, that it was roughly 20 years, but I find that hard to believe.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Sleuthing is permitted. No direct accusations or trashing him at this time.

Thank you Tiff. And thank you for your hard work here at WS.

 

[otto]

Possibly, if the defense can show he had a true addiction

What we want to know is the year that oxycodone was originally prescribed. Alex is referencing a time that oxycodone was prescribed for pain and doctors provided refills. If there's no original doctor prescription, then for me it is not believable that he is addicted to oxycodone.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't know how he could detox so fast. It is a very brutal long period of time to detox. He appeared very healthy for weeks and still looks the same today. You never know I guess.

That's what all here with experiences in their lives have been saying about it. He'd be in a very bad way right about now and he didn't at all look it.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My whole generational line is plotted with addiction. It has destroyed and taken so many of my family’s lives. My childhood and myself were permanently scarred from addiction. Both my younger brothers died from addiction. I swore it would never ever ever happen to me. I was wrong. After 40 years of fighting/surrendering to addiction - I thought I might have some relapses left in me but I was too afraid I didn’t have another recovery left in me. It was the hardest battle of my life. That was five years ago. Recovery is real…

I am so sorry you had to go through that. Prayers.

 

[PaulaDC]

I don't know how he could detox so fast. It is a very brutal long period of time to detox. He appeared very healthy for weeks and still looks the same today. You never know I guess.

He thinks everyone is stupid, just think about all they've possibly gotten away with by telling stories. I don't expect this to change. That's his job in life, making others believe the far fetched stories for a payoff to pay his bills. moo

 

[clearskies1]

His lawyers have said 20 year addiction to opioids.

I thought he said 100 years?! JMO

 

[sunshineray]

What we want to know is the year that oxycodone was originally prescribed. Alex is referencing a time that oxycodone was prescribed for pain and doctors provided refills. If there's no original doctor prescription, then for me it is not believable that he is addicted to oxycodone.

Either he was doing an Elvis and had multiple doctor's writing him scripts, which would be illegal or he had a connection that dealt them, also illegal. So same story as millions, doctor prescribes, you get hooked, you get cut off, black market sells you theirs. Maybe a combination of the two?

 

[otto]

I was impressed that Alex could cry on cue. Like a stage actor.

His lawyer mentioned grieving his murdered son, and Alex wept into his mask. The Judge was sympathetic, and his tears stopped. In fact, he appeared somewhat gregarious at the end of the hearing.

It was a bit like the 911 call where he was distraught about discovering the bodies, but sounded quite calm when confirming that his flashers were on and he was not worried about a nearby shooter.

 

[OhioBlues]

He thinks everyone is stupid, just think about all they've possibly gotten away with by telling stories. I don't expect this to change. That's his job in life, making others believe the far fetched stories for a payoff to pay his bills. moo

That is a lot of bills especially with wealthy parents

 

[otto]

Either he was doing an Elvis and had multiple doctor's writing him scripts, which would be illegal or he had a connection that dealt them, also illegal. So same story as millions, doctor prescribes, you get hooked, you get cut off, black market sells you theirs. Maybe a combination of the two?

Exactly. We will never know about drugs purchased on the street. However, lawyer Alex Murdaugh is not going to the street for pain medication unless he has an addiction and was cut off. A lawyer would craft a story for the doctor to try the drugs legally first - before looking to the black market.

In my opinion, if there's no original legitimate medical prescription, then lawyer Alex Murdaugh would not have purchased street drugs.

 

[Mirandartv]

I hope they find some kind of tax fraud on AM and anyone else in his family doing shady stuff.
I say that because then he would be charged with Federal crimes and hopefully that would be far away from any legal/political influence they are used to.

Lots of things to consider here:

From my understanding, if he made false statements to an insurance agent, (so not this particular case with the fake suicide, but).....say.....hypothetically..........if the housekeeper died of natural causes, but they claimed it was a slip and fall and collected the insurance money, then the Feds could pick those charges up. I'm not saying that happened, just a hypo regarding other possible ways the feds could step in.

Another thing to consider would be the embezzlement. Again, if I understand it correctly, it would only be federal if the law firm was also contracted by the federal government, the business has access to government property, OR the business received some sort of taxpayer funds.

I don't know if this counts, but the firm got a PPP loan for $1,005,467 in April of 2020 and it was considered forgiven on May 17, 2021. I don't know if it would matter if the embezzlement was after the May 17, 2021 deadline.....but could he steal as much as they are saying is missing in just the last few months? If he stole any of the PPP loan, it would def be able to trigger the feds to step in if they could prove it was the PPP loan money that he took. And again, I'm not saying that happened. Just tossing out examples.

Search Results - Tracking PPP - ProPublica.

ETA: I'm on my phone and half-blind, this paragraph below that I struck thru is wrong. The list is just more peoople with the same name that got other loans.

There is a list of people who were given the funds on that same page, and I admit I did not read them all, but most of the names I saw were the same, so I am curious about a lot of them. Not suspicious, per se, but curious.

While I have heard he has connections up the chain, all the way to the feds, if it wasn't handled by anyone that has any connection with him, it might be what could get him if the state isn't willing. My ex was arrested 84 times in three states before the feds stepped in and finally sentenced him to something. Sometimes, that's what it takes when people have connections

ETA: This is not an all-inclusive list of ways that he could be charged by the feds, and they have to decide to step in, it's not automatic. But I bet there are a lot of other ways the feds could get involved if we had all of the information. AND OMG, why does my phone keep posting my last response at the top of my first one?!?!? Sorry, y'all.

 

[sunshineray]

That is a lot of bills especially with wealthy parents

His lawyers make it sound like it was the addiction and people involved in the supply of his addiction taking advantage of him.

If though the embezzled amount is in the multi-millions, common sense nags that he had to be indebted to others outside of the drug world. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Exactly. We will never know about drugs purchased on the street. However, lawyer Alex Murdaugh is not going to the street for pain medication unless he has an addiction and was cut off. A lawyer would craft a story for the doctor to try the drugs legally first - before looking to the black market.

In my opinion, if there's no original legitimate medical prescription, then lawyer Alex Murdaugh would not have purchased street drugs.

Not unless someone he knows turned him onto opioids. People with the means love to party and have access to all sorts of drugs.

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

His lawyers have said 20 year addiction to opioids.

Probably more accurate to say he’s had a 20 year addiction to greed, power, money and intimidation, IMO.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I hope that the FULL interview and confession for both AM and CS were recorded, they were read their rights, and everything else was done properly. Same hope and expectation will go for every other criminal or civil charge these intertwined investigations produce.

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

That's what all here with experiences in their lives have been saying about it. He'd be in a very bad way right about now and he didn't at all look it.

Oh I think he’s in a “very bad way” right now. It’s spelled G.U.I.L.T. His conscious will do more to punish him than any sentence the courts could give him, and he’ll be living with that hell the rest of his life. Of course, my hope is he spends that life sentence with his guilty conscious behind bars as justice for the many, many people he has wronged over his 20 year addiction to all things corrupt. MOO. YMMV.

 

[evilwise]

Exactly. We will never know about drugs purchased on the street. However, lawyer Alex Murdaugh is not going to the street for pain medication unless he has an addiction and was cut off. A lawyer would craft a story for the doctor to try the drugs legally first - before looking to the black market.

In my opinion, if there's no original legitimate medical prescription, then lawyer Alex Murdaugh would not have purchased street drugs.

That's just the thing, isn't it? We will never know about drugs purchased on the street. So a whole bunch of money could theoretically just disappear! Okay maybe but MILLIONS but, like, Alex might have been all blacked out one night and left the safe open, whoopsie! Then those terrible villainous drug dealers might have just swooped in and made all that cash just disappear. That seems plausible, right? So there's no reason to check the finances of any judges or law enforcement officers! They're the good guys who keep us safe from those villainous drug dealers!

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

I was impressed that Alex could cry on cue. Like a stage actor.

His lawyer mentioned grieving his murdered son, and Alex wept into his mask. The Judge was sympathetic, and his tears stopped. In fact, he appeared somewhat gregarious at the end of the hearing.

It was a bit like the 911 call where he was distraught about discovering the bodies, but sounded quite calm when confirming that his flashers were on and he was not worried about a nearby shooter.

RBBM. Yeah, clearly they rehearsed that more than they did the shooting on the 4th. Nailed it! MOO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I agree......but I don't know that he really had any of those injuries, esp since the same person who said that also said that you don't flatten your own tire to commit suicide and is now claiming that he did exactly that. I don't see anything, from any of today's photos or videos that would show that kind of injury at all. MOO

I didn't either.