SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #8

[otto]

Fox Carolina interviewed Satterfield’s attorney tonight.
He said 4 million, not half a million dollars was missing.
Plus he said Alex Murdaugh misappropriated those funds. Flat out said it!

A week ago, the insurance claim was worth $500k. Yesterday is was worth $2+ million. Today it's $4 million? Richer by the minute?

 

[sunshineray]

I’ve had a suspicion all along about how PM regarded women in general. I believe he was living (for free, without a summer job) in the caretakers house by the kennels at the time he was killed. It’s not a stretch in my mind to imagine he had an argument w his mother and after the spitting and cursing, he took her life. Did he then call his father who could have been at the main house or coming back from the hospital? AM could have driven up as this happened and in the ensuing argument, AM could claim self defense in taking PMs life. Cell phone locations will be discovered and tell the tale.

According to what AM's lawyer said...AM came home up to the house, saw MM and PM weren't there so drove down to the kennels area and found them.

"Well you say he went to that property, that’s where he lived. I mean he went to his home. And he went into his house and he looked for his wife and son and they weren’t there. He drove down to where the dog pens are and found them dead so there is nothing suspicious about him being on the property. That’s where he lived that’s where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul. "

ONLY ON FOX: Interview with lawyer in Alex Murdaugh case

 

[otto]

Wow, AM introduced them immediately to his college friend Attorney Fleming because the lawsuit was filed the same day she fell!?

That's shades of RM being the second person, behind the coroner, to call Stephen Smith's family the day he was found dead and offer his services pro bono. (Except it's on the "record" that Fleming got $177,000 in fees for Satterfield case)

That the money was actually 4 million, not $505,000 is just mindblowing. The Satterfield's attorney is saying AM appropriated it all!

What do you think, jail time for something like that?

I'm thinking order of grievances regarding available funds.

 

[MemPat]

According to what AM's lawyer said...AM came home up to the house, saw MM and PM weren't there so drove down to the kennels area and found them.

"Well you say he went to that property, that’s where he lived. I mean he went to his home. And he went into his house and he looked for his wife and son and they weren’t there. He drove down to where the dog pens are and found them dead so there is nothing suspicious about him being on the property. That’s where he lived that’s where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul. "

ONLY ON FOX: Interview with lawyer in Alex Murdaugh case

It's such a tell when one gives more information than is necessary. True sign of a liar.
"where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul"?! That is just a line of
low country hooey! Give me a break!

 

[sunshineray]

I'm thinking order of grievances regarding available funds.

There will unfortunately be a lot of litigants filing lawsuits, AJMO

 

[otto]

I’ve had a suspicion all along about how PM regarded women in general. I believe he was living (for free, without a summer job) in the caretakers house by the kennels at the time he was killed. It’s not a stretch in my mind to imagine he had an argument w his mother and after the spitting and cursing, he took her life. Did he then call his father who could have been at the main house or coming back from the hospital? AM could have driven up as this happened and in the ensuing argument, AM could claim self defense in taking PMs life. Cell phone locations will be discovered and tell the tale.

From the building footprints, and photos, where would someone sleep? It's not like there was a small house across from the kennels, nor in the kennels.

qPublic.net - Colleton County, SC - Report: 123-00-00-002.000

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

It's such a tell when one gives more information than is necessary. True sign of a liar.
"where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul"?! That is just a line of
low country hooey! Give me a break!

Kinda like everything Dick blathered on about today in the courtroom?? I was like, “Bro! Save it for the trial.” Talk about laying foundation (A John Prior favorite from the Vallow/Daybell case). MOO

 

[otto]

According to what AM's lawyer said...AM came home up to the house, saw MM and PM weren't there so drove down to the kennels area and found them.

"Well you say he went to that property, that’s where he lived. I mean he went to his home. And he went into his house and he looked for his wife and son and they weren’t there. He drove down to where the dog pens are and found them dead so there is nothing suspicious about him being on the property. That’s where he lived that’s where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul. "

ONLY ON FOX: Interview with lawyer in Alex Murdaugh case

9:00 - 9:30 PM is important to Alex Murdaugh, 9:00 - 10:07 PM is important to the murders of his wife and son.

The nearest hospital for his father's cancer is 20 minutes from Moselle. Varnville is between the hospital and Moselle. Hypothetically speaking, in keeping with Alex Murdaugh statements ...

9:00 PM: latest time to leave hospital, murder family and create alibi visiting mom.
9:20 PM: arrives Moselle (shoots wife and son)
9:35 PM: arrives mother's house
9:55 PM: arrives Moselle
10:07 PM: 911

Paul Murdaugh lived in the dog kennel sheds and lean to-s?

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[Elley Mae]

9:00 - 9:30 PM is important to Alex Murdaugh, 9:00 - 10:07 PM is important to the murders of his wife and son.

The nearest hospital for his father's cancer is 20 minutes from Moselle. Varnville is between the hospital and Moselle. Hypothetically speaking, in keeping with Alex Murdaugh statements ...

9:00 PM: latest time to leave hospital, murder family and create alibi visiting mom.
9:20 PM: arrives Moselle (shoots wife and son)
9:35 PM: arrives mother's house
9:55 PM: arrives Moselle
10:07 PM: 911

Paul Murdaugh lived in the dog kennel sheds and lean to-s?

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Otto, there is a small home that sits to the right of the driveway entrance to the kennels, it is close to the rd.

Look up 4157 moselle rd.

 

[otto]

Otto, there is a small home that sits to the right of the driveway entrance to the kennels, it is close to the rd.

Look up 4157 moselle rd.

Which building was Paul living in?

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If Paul and his mother were staying at Moselle, and it wasn't the norm, wouldn't they stay in the main house together?

 

[Elley Mae]

Which building was Paul living in?

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If Paul and his mother were staying at Moselle, and it wasn't the norm, wouldn't they stay in the main house together?

In the first pic, to the right where moselle rd is written you can see the dark red roof and a dirt driveway towards the kennel area.

I have no idea where PM was staying but the Lawyer said the 3 were living at the moselle home.


Eta. Some have speculated that PM could have been staying in the smaller home but I have no idea.

 

[sunshineray]

Racketeering is defined as..."dishonest and fraudulent business dealings".
It takes 35 racketeering charges "to violate RICO [and] a person must engage in a pattern of racketeering activity connected to an enterprise".

Hands up if you think it's possible the Murdaughs have been dishonest and fraudulent 35 times...or more?

The more investigations pop up and other people are mentioned associated with them, the more I think it's possible.

 

[clearskies1]

In the first pic, to the right where moselle rd is written you can see the dark red roof and a dirt driveway towards the kennel area.

I have no idea where PM was staying but the Lawyer said the 3 were living at the moselle home.


Eta. Some have speculated that PM could have been staying in the smaller home but I have no idea.

I don't know where Maggie was living in June 2021 but FITSNews reported this: "According to Maggie Murdaugh's Facebook page, Maggie moved to the Edisto property in July 2020." JMO.
Murdaugh Murders: Beach’s Attorney Makes Move To Secure Claims For Murdaugh Properties

 

[Crosscntrymom]

All of this shows how easy it is to escape consequences when you have money, and how easy it is to “convert” money to your own pocket when others are willing to engage in corruption for a payout. I’m really hoping for the Feds to step in, and if the PPP money was commingled with firm funds that might be enough to qualify?

 

[clearskies1]

Racketeering is defined as..."dishonest and fraudulent business dealings".
It takes 35 racketeering charges "to violate RICO [and] a person must engage in a pattern of racketeering activity connected to an enterprise".

Hands up if you think it's possible the Murdaughs have been dishonest and fraudulent 35 times...or more?

The more investigations pop up and other people are mentioned associated with them, the more I think it's possible.

There doesn't need to be 35 crimes to violate RICO. There only needs to be 2 within 10 years:

"To violate RICO, a person must engage in a pattern of racketeering activity connected to an enterprise. The law defines 35 offenses as constituting racketeering, including gambling, murder, kidnapping, arson, drug dealing, bribery. Significantly, mail and wire fraud are included on the list. These crimes are known as "predicate" offenses. To charge under RICO, at least two predicate crimes within 10 years must have been committed through the enterprise."
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Law

 

[Diddian]

It's such a tell when one gives more information than is necessary. True sign of a liar.
"where he slept every night with Maggie and Paul"?! That is just a line of
low country hooey! Give me a break!

That was my exact same thought upon reading Harpootlian’s statement.

Also, given that AM is likely destitute if relieved of stolen $ - and the delinquent RE taxes further point to this -, I wonder how Harpootlian expects to be paid for his continuing services to him?

 

[Diddian]

9:00 - 9:30 PM is important to Alex Murdaugh, 9:00 - 10:07 PM is important to the murders of his wife and son.

The nearest hospital for his father's cancer is 20 minutes from Moselle. Varnville is between the hospital and Moselle. Hypothetically speaking, in keeping with Alex Murdaugh statements ...

9:00 PM: latest time to leave hospital, murder family and create alibi visiting mom.
9:20 PM: arrives Moselle (shoots wife and son)
9:35 PM: arrives mother's house
9:55 PM: arrives Moselle
10:07 PM: 911

Paul Murdaugh lived in the dog kennel sheds and lean to-s?

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I’m traveling today so can’t check until this evening, but I am fairly certain there were reports around the time of the double homicides that AM drove his father to a hospital in Charleston before stopping to talk to his mother and then returning to Moselle the night of June 7.

Anyone else here remember or have a link (I’m thinking it was either Island Packet or Post and Courier...but cannot recall whether their source was family or someone close to LE)?

 

[sds71]

Friends remember homicide victim Maggie Murdaugh on her birthday

"Maggie has kind of gotten lost in all of this," said Welch. "She was a good friend and I really miss her a lot. Her mom and dad are wonderful people, I feel so bad for them, and I think about them a lot. I know the whole family is going through a lot."

"She is remembered as such a kind and gentle, funny lady who was such a big part of my sons' childhoods, and I’m thankful for that," she said. "She honestly never had a bad word to say about anyone. She was just genuinely so kind. But mostly, she was just so proud of her sons. She was a great mom to them — and to all their friends."

In an earlier statement to The Guardian, not long after Murdaugh's death, Tuten said, "I remember her to be the most loving devoted mother. She was always active in all of their activities and supportive in every way. She was always so hospitable, welcoming, and friendly."

"She supported local businesses and people," Tuten added. "She was a wonderful, beautiful person."

 

[sunshineray]

There doesn't need to be 35 crimes to violate RICO. There only needs to be 2 within 10 years:

"To violate RICO, a person must engage in a pattern of racketeering activity connected to an enterprise. The law defines 35 offenses as constituting racketeering, including gambling, murder, kidnapping, arson, drug dealing, bribery. Significantly, mail and wire fraud are included on the list. These crimes are known as "predicate" offenses. To charge under RICO, at least two predicate crimes within 10 years must have been committed through the enterprise."
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Law

So you need only two of the 35 defined offenses to charge. Thank you, I totally read that too quickly and wrong! My apologies to all.

Since it's only 2, do you think SC is up for labeling crimes uncovered in these Murdaugh investigations as RICO and charge them under RICO?

Do you know if it has to be charged within the jurisdiction like the 14th Circuit or can a State's Attorney General Office charge RICO anywhere within the state themselves, since the 14th Circuit Solicitor's Office has recused itself.

Now that a Hampton County bank, via it's Vice President, has been brought into one of the lawsuit/investigations touching the Murdaughs, can the Federal Government, because they insure it's depositor's money open a RICO investigation?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The claim of a drug dealer in conjunction with his stated opioid addition also seems strange.

AM is affluent and has cultivated a variety of connections to a variety of people over the course of his life. These connections are in turn supported by the connections maintained by family members over generations.

Connecting the dots......

Opioid is a legal drug and a certain number of the drug dealers wear white coats and operate from "pain clinics". Though the number of insane pill mills with lines of addicts out the door has shrank, white coat connections are still very available. Sadly, a friend of mine has one.

Getting to the point.....

I doubt somebody like connected AM with an opioid addiction would have even a higher end street dealer. Too much risk of different dramas, including blackmail or violent "rip offs" by a desperate dealer / addict.

Rather, such a person would have a white coat connection. No dingy pill mill waiting room for him. Rather, his white coat dealer would operate from a fully private clinic in Charleston. Other customers could include local politicians, business owners / senior government, large church clergy and..... other doctors.

I am thinking about 12-15k a year for the special prescriptions from the ohhh so very private clinic. Lets say 5K a year for the pills. This yields 20k max. Somebody like AM could maintain that cash flow indefintely.

In my mind, "drug dealer" still just part of the smokescreen. The Murdaughs could get anything from LE they wanted, I am sure they could also get anything they wanted from a pain clinic....

Just look at how much time we have consumed talking about drug addiction.... I swear it is just to give him cover............