SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #8

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  • #761
Without any link to support this comment to the group, I have to ask how can any experienced attorney execute such a poorly planned assault on himself? Video was retrieved by police on church camera near where AM was shot.

Not all of us are tech savvy, but we do know how well police can find material evidence through video, phone pings from the most obscure sources. We saw this in the Jennifer Dulos case in Connecticut. Video from school bus, neighbors security, street cameras were pieced together and told a story of how Fotis Dulos, her husband, lie in wait to carry out a murder.
 
  • #762
Without any link to support this comment to the group, I have to ask how can any experienced attorney execute such a poorly planned assault on himself? Video was retrieved by police at the nearby church where AM was shot.

Not all of us are tech savvy, but we do know how well police can find material evidence through video, phone pings from the most obscure sources. We saw this in the Jennifer Dulos case in Connecticut. Video from school bus, neighbors security, street cameras were pieced together and told a story of how Fotis Dulos, her husband, lie in wait to carry out a murder.
 
  • #763
I think it's time to tell y'all a story.

I live in a sleepy little Southern town, that in some ways, I suppose, isn't too different from Hampton. It's about 4 times the size of Hampton, but still not too large to prevent most of us from knowing each other's business. I grew up here, although I moved away to go to college, and it was even more intimate, back then in the 60s and 70s.

By the "accident of birth" I mentioned earlier, meaning where I grew up, a number of my neighbors and friends were well-connected in that group I also mentioned earlier. They were our equivalents of the Murdaughs and Harpootlians (although not as vile). And because I was an engaging and active teenager, I was invited into the junior rank of that organization. And I must say, that they were a fun bunch. The drink always flowed freely, even (or perhaps especially) when inappropriate; they had all the right connections, and got all of the breaks in life. But, fortunately, I got out, when it dawned on me just how things work with them. I wouldn't have done well; I abhor corruption and cronyism.

We moved away from this town in 1978. The following events took place shortly afterward.

There was a man who served as the district attorney here. I didn't know him well, but my parents did. He was a pleasant sort, and in fact helped my parents out of a little jam that they wouldn't have been able to resolve without him speaking to the right person. But he was a member of that organization, as was our local sheriff (I referenced him in previous posts on another thread, in regards to narcotics smuggling and unsolved murders). It was something that one simply had to do, to attain elective office here, back then.

Now, as a member of that group, he was expected to serve their interests...meaning, that when the interests of that group conflicted with justice, the group was meant to prevail. So, from time to time, someone from the group would instruct him on how a trial should go.

Now, not long after we moved away, there was a trial, and he was told what the verdict should be. But the opposite happened. The group was angered.

Shortly after the conclusion of the trial, his teenage daughter was raped, by an unknown assailant. The group had sent the D.A. a message: Don't let that happen again. And though he may not have known who committed the crime, he would have known who ordered it up, and why. And so would the sheriff.

I was acquainted with that girl, but only vaguely. My sister knew her better; they both took dance lessons at the same studio. The girl was no Timmy; she was nice, and very proper, and I assure you, quite innocent.

But though innocent, she was no dunce. She knew why she had been raped. To be raped is bad enough; to know that she was raped, because of the actions (or, perhaps, inaction) of her father, and that her D.A. father and the local sheriff could have pursued a prosecution of the rapist, and refused to, was more than she could bear.

After struggling with this issue for a while, she committed suicide. It was a small-town tragedy that cast a dark and painful shadow over a lot of hearts.

Plombo o plata, as it is said in Mexico. Lead or Silver. It's your choice. You can have all of the Silver you want, if you play the corruption game correctly, which means discreetly. But if you mess up, you get Lead.

So, I'm going top speculate again, and again, I'm going to assert that this is informed speculation, because I know how that group works.

When Maggie and Paul were murdered, the Plombo o Plata explanation lurked dimly in the back of my mind, as a possibility. Now, in light of recent events, and from what little news has trickled out of the investigations, I find this explanation the most likely. I think AM was being sent a message.

You messed up, Alex. You had it all, but you messed up. You and Timmy got careless. Now, there is public scrutiny. Soon you will head into court, not as an attorney, but as a witness and as a defendant, and you had better keep your damn mouth shut....because there is plenty more where this came from.

I suspect that, as Alex stood there, gazing at the bodies of his wife and son on the ground at the kennel, he didn't know who had killed them, but he would have known why they were killed, and probably, who ordered up the murders.

Shut up. Zip that lip. Don't make us come to Islandton again.

So Dick Harpootlian was brought in to manage the crisis, to put a lid on, to shut out the light. I think the story about oxycodone addiction was concocted, or at least exaggerated, so that he could be whisked away to some private treatment clinic, where, presumably, his conversations would be privileged by HIPAA laws.

Again, this is just speculation, but it makes the most sense to me.

I really hope that Mr. Keel succeeds, that his investigations go where they should go, and uncover what they should uncover. But I won't hold my breath. Because I know how that group works.

Thank you Oakie….you said it well. He won’t even be safe in prison. He knows it.
 
  • #764
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”
 
  • #765
The paper given to the judge yesterday could have been he is going into witness protection and give this back to me so no one knows. Just an idea...moo
DH said it was from one of AM's doctors at rehab
 
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  • #767
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”

WOW :eek::eek::eek:
 
  • #768
My hope is that all of these embezzlement cases get worked out quickly so SLED can focus on truly what is most important…figuring out who is responsible for the murders of MM & PM. It’s been over 3 months now since they were killed and I feel like all of these u turns are taking time away from the primary case. Maybe if they follow the money they find the killer/killers so I’m hopeful they are on the right path, but also wondering if these cases are a distraction. Maggie just had a birthday the other day. It’s sad to read what her friends said about her and what a good person she was. Hoping for speedy resolution for all the friends/family that are suffering from their deaths.

My thoughts exactly. I’ve been skipping this other news and just interested in these murders.
 
  • #769
Repeating a question I made earlier....is that church surveillance video available to view somewhere?
 
  • #770
In context though...PM's current crime being thrush into the spotlight was an underage kid driving drunk and accidentally killing a "friend".

MM's crime COULD have been exposing, by digging into financials, a really rich, well-connected and wide-spread group of movers and shakers.

I think she was the main target
I think anything in the spotlight was bad enough but it got worse when AM tried too hard to cover for PM one too many times. If you’re playing the game, you gotta be more discreet and know when to stop. AM didn’t. If they helped PM get off of a very visible crime that’s gotten national coverage, they stand to risk too much scrutiny. If they simply said no to AM while he was too desperately trying to save his son, he could spill the beans on a lot of things. The art of being part of any club is playing by the unspoken rule. You don’t get it, you’re cut, since the cost benefit ratio gets too high. Message sent in an unprovable way. If this goes too long and too big, there’s no peace for him now even in prison - like Epstein. And he still has another son to worry about. All very much MOO and speculation.
 
  • #771
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”

This sounds made up, with the “wrestling over the gun and it just fired” story being an old, well used reasoning. And just ending up with the gun, scared and left. There was more planning than that.
But I’m not thinking Smith was behind the murders for some reason.
 
  • #772
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”
I actually believe this. I think he was gonna frame CES.

To him, people like CES and GS are a means to an end. His own profit or salvage.
 
  • #773
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”

So now we have two accused with two completely different stories. One claims that his oxycodone addiction caused him to make bad choices, the other says he was set up. There was no payment for the alleged arranged shooting, so presumably there's no evidence. It seems to come down to who is more credible and, in this case, neither is credible. It seems like a waste of taxpayer's money to pursue the staged suicide plot.
 
  • #774
Repeating a question I made earlier....is that church surveillance video available to view somewhere?
Have seen no indication anywhere that it's available to view.
 
  • #775
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”
Lordy, Lordy:rolleyes:

"Despite his current predicament, “Fast Eddie” told The Post he doesn’t bear a grudge against Alex Murdaugh.

“I never had a reason not to like him before,” Curtis said. “I understand he’s in fight or flight mode and he wanted me to be the heavy weight in the water so he could fly.”

However, Curtis said Murdaugh should not mess with him further.

“I wouldn’t advise him to try to set me up,” Smith said. “I’d strongly advise him against that.”
 
  • #776
The lawsuit said the fall happened in Hampton County and the Hampton coroner is investigating.
The Moselle house is in Colleton County.

I don't know where she fell. And I don't know if the Moselle house itself is in Colleton (which I am assuming, since everyone keeps saying that it is in Colleton), and I don't know if it matters but according to the docs, the property is:

"1770 Acres in Colleton and Hampton County, South Carolina commonly known as the Moselle property. The land spans both Colleton and Hampton counties, with approximately 870 +/- acres in Hampton and just less than 900 acres in Colleton."

So I don't know, if the house was in the Colleton part if they would def do it there, or if there is some other reason that they might have Hampton do it, or if they are just keeping them all together.

ETA: The link. I'm not great at posting from my phone.

Mallory Beach estate files Lis Pendens on Alex Murdaugh's property
 
  • #777
I think it's time to tell y'all a story.

I live in a sleepy little Southern town, that in some ways, I suppose, isn't too different from Hampton. It's about 4 times the size of Hampton, but still not too large to prevent most of us from knowing each other's business. I grew up here, although I moved away to go to college, and it was even more intimate, back then in the 60s and 70s.

By the "accident of birth" I mentioned earlier, meaning where I grew up, a number of my neighbors and friends were well-connected in that group I also mentioned earlier. They were our equivalents of the Murdaughs and Harpootlians (although not as vile). And because I was an engaging and active teenager, I was invited into the junior rank of that organization. And I must say, that they were a fun bunch. The drink always flowed freely, even (or perhaps especially) when inappropriate; they had all the right connections, and got all of the breaks in life. But, fortunately, I got out, when it dawned on me just how things work with them. I wouldn't have done well; I abhor corruption and cronyism.

We moved away from this town in 1978. The following events took place shortly afterward.

There was a man who served as the district attorney here. I didn't know him well, but my parents did. He was a pleasant sort, and in fact helped my parents out of a little jam that they wouldn't have been able to resolve without him speaking to the right person. But he was a member of that organization, as was our local sheriff (I referenced him in previous posts on another thread, in regards to narcotics smuggling and unsolved murders). It was something that one simply had to do, to attain elective office here, back then.

Now, as a member of that group, he was expected to serve their interests...meaning, that when the interests of that group conflicted with justice, the group was meant to prevail. So, from time to time, someone from the group would instruct him on how a trial should go.

Now, not long after we moved away, there was a trial, and he was told what the verdict should be. But the opposite happened. The group was angered.

Shortly after the conclusion of the trial, his teenage daughter was raped, by an unknown assailant. The group had sent the D.A. a message: Don't let that happen again. And though he may not have known who committed the crime, he would have known who ordered it up, and why. And so would the sheriff.

I was acquainted with that girl, but only vaguely. My sister knew her better; they both took dance lessons at the same studio. The girl was no Timmy; she was nice, and very proper, and I assure you, quite innocent.

But though innocent, she was no dunce. She knew why she had been raped. To be raped is bad enough; to know that she was raped, because of the actions (or, perhaps, inaction) of her father, and that her D.A. father and the local sheriff could have pursued a prosecution of the rapist, and refused to, was more than she could bear.

After struggling with this issue for a while, she committed suicide. It was a small-town tragedy that cast a dark and painful shadow over a lot of hearts.

Plombo o plata, as it is said in Mexico. Lead or Silver. It's your choice. You can have all of the Silver you want, if you play the corruption game correctly, which means discreetly. But if you mess up, you get Lead.

So, I'm going top speculate again, and again, I'm going to assert that this is informed speculation, because I know how that group works.

When Maggie and Paul were murdered, the Plombo o Plata explanation lurked dimly in the back of my mind, as a possibility. Now, in light of recent events, and from what little news has trickled out of the investigations, I find this explanation the most likely. I think AM was being sent a message.

You messed up, Alex. You had it all, but you messed up. You and Timmy got careless. Now, there is public scrutiny. Soon you will head into court, not as an attorney, but as a witness and as a defendant, and you had better keep your damn mouth shut....because there is plenty more where this came from.

I suspect that, as Alex stood there, gazing at the bodies of his wife and son on the ground at the kennel, he didn't know who had killed them, but he would have known why they were killed, and probably, who ordered up the murders.

Shut up. Zip that lip. Don't make us come to Islandton again.

So Dick Harpootlian was brought in to manage the crisis, to put a lid on, to shut out the light. I think the story about oxycodone addiction was concocted, or at least exaggerated, so that he could be whisked away to some private treatment clinic, where, presumably, his conversations would be privileged by HIPAA laws.

Again, this is just speculation, but it makes the most sense to me.

I really hope that Mr. Keel succeeds, that his investigations go where they should go, and uncover what they should uncover. But I won't hold my breath. Because I know how that group works.

I agree. It's what I have been saying ever since the SS death was getting attention again.

I think there are a lot of skeletons in a lot of closets in a lot of places. I think more work is being done to better hide (or destroy) the skeletons than is being done looking into the murders of MM and PM.

MOO.
 
  • #778
Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”
I wonder if the gun was loaded with blanks. There are no noticeable head wounds, grazing or entrance/exit, noted during his court visit. And, no gun at the scene. I think CES was set up and arrogance on the part of AM and his counsel led to the preposterous story of assisted suicide. MOO MOO MOO MOO
 
  • #779
This sounds made up, with the “wrestling over the gun and it just fired” story being an old, well used reasoning. And just ending up with the gun, scared and left. There was more planning than that.
But I’m not thinking Smith was behind the murders for some reason.
Glad to see he's looking healthier and not hacking up a lung or vomiting.

It's hard to get a clear picture, from that short clip, of just who Fast Cousin Eddie is but one things for sure, he's declares himself in the article ready to rock and roll with AM if he comes for him. I hope those words don't get him killed.
 
  • #780
So now we have two accused with two completely different stories. One claims that his oxycodone addiction caused him to make bad choices, the other says he was set up. There was no payment for the alleged arranged shooting, so presumably there's no evidence. It seems to come down to who is more credible and, in this case, neither is credible. It seems like a waste of taxpayer's money to pursue the staged suicide plot.
Nahhh, I say pursue it slowly and lightly, let it HANG there with uncertainty to haunt them both.
 
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