SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[Boismom]

Has MP been in court, did she hear pathologist report on their deaths? I hope not.

 

[Luna20]

Listening to the Law and Crime talkers- they seem to have such a different view than we all have imo. They are portraying that the Prosecution has not delivered on AM being the shooter at all and that they cannot understand the financial angle at all. Are we the crazy people? I wonder what the jury thinks?

I still have pages to go to catch up on today but I don’t think the state has done much in the way of a conviction for murder. There hasn’t been any testimony of a troubled marriage, anger, affairs

The attempt to bring the affair in just shows the desperation of the prosecution. And I was mentioning it in real time before a ruling was put forth. So nobody was harping on anything. If anyone was harping it was the prosecution to bring in something that is yet again irrelevant to this case.

And that goes to the broader point I and a few others are making. This is a murder trial. This isn't the trial of his finances nor is it the trial of the roadside shooting. A prosecution can question his character whether the defense opens the door to it or not lol. The roadside shooting was sought after in an attempt to prove a motive AFTER the fact. Not to prove he is a liar. And as the defense points out, AM admitted to the whole thing as soon as he was questioned by SLED.

All of this is going to be brought up in an appeal. Whether the appeal is granted is yet to be seen if a guilty verdict is reached but it does in my opinion make it way more likely than if it wasn't allowed in.

What is the “whole thing he admitted to”?

 

[CrownCowboy1]

I still have pages to go to catch up on today but I don’t think the state has done much in the way of a conviction for murder. There hasn’t been any testimony of a troubled marriage, anger, affairs


What is the “whole thing he admitted to”?

The roadside scheme he came up with.

 

[Luna20]

All of this is going to be brought up in an appeal. Whether the appeal is granted is yet to be seen if a guilty verdict is reached but it does in my opinion make it way more likely than if it wasn't allowed in.

What is the “whole thing he admitted to”?

 

[Seattle1]

Has MP been in court, did she hear pathologist report on their deaths? I hope not.

It appears she arrived just in time to testify but she was aware that the pathologist provided that her sister suffered pain before her death and that PM's first wound was not considered fatal. (AM has assured her the victims died instantly).

 

[General wooster]

A video recording of an unknown source is not Direct evidence. The prosecution has brought up people that have given their opinion as to what they thought they heard but that's it. Who's to say the defense doesn't bring 10 people to the stand that sounds just like Alex to prove a point. I doubt they do that. But I'm sure you get the point.

And there is one more type of evidence......and that's physical evidence. That is completely lacking in this case no matter which way you look at it. There is no physical evidence whatsoever tying him to these murders.

Other than the snapchat video that is rather damning considering multiple witnesses believe it to be Alex, what other HARD circumstantial evidence does the prosecution have?

The other evidence, without dispute, is a documented History of lying, unfettered theft from those who trusted him, unscrupulous ethical misbehavior, and an alibi that doesn’t fly true. Additionally, his lack of explanation as to missing clothing, tampering with witnesses, and admission that “I did him bad”.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

The other evidence, without dispute, is a documented History of lying, unfettered theft from those who trusted him, unscrupulous ethical misbehavior, and an alibi that doesn’t fly true. Additionally, his lack of explanation as to missing clothing, tampering with witnesses, and admission that “I did him bad”.

When it was slowed down I heard "They did him bad".

 

[makayla]

DBM

 

[makayla]

Lead investigator's mom died

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That’s incredibly sad. I read this right after I finished watching SLED interview #2 in the car, on YouTube. I noticed the interview was dated June 10, 2021 … wasn’t that the same day that AM’s father passed away? The interview was being recorded in the afternoon, and AM said the funerals for MM and PM were scheduled for the following day.

My heart goes out to Investigator Owens and his family … I love his style of interviewing.

 

[Luna20]

Buster's gf looked angry today in the courtroom at the end of the day.

She has looked like that the entire time. I haven’t seen a smile at all unless I’ve missed it. To me she actually looks angry.

 

[10ofRods]

DEVELOPING: Alex Murdaugh Could Take Stand in Own Defense at Double Murder Trial

Alex Murdaugh’s legal team is reportedly considering having him take the stand in his own defense during his ongoing double murder trial. A source close to the defense team told WCBD that if Alex does testify, it would happen in the next week or two. The prosecution is currently presenting...

www.crimeonline.com

Oh, yes, let's! Let's bring him on.

I mean, it's only fair. Surely he's the one single person on the planet that can explain all of this to the satisfaction of a jury.

Right?

I do agree that no matter what, he will be behind bars because he'll be awaiting his next trail. That's a fact.

Motive is not necessary, that is true. However, this prosecution has spent the majority of it's time focusing on what his motives were to prove he committed this crime. They are doing that for a reason and their reason is that they know their case is lacking evidence. Their biggest piece of evidence is the snapchat video. That MAY prove that he lied when he told authorities that he was never down by the kennels. But that doesn't prove beyond a doubt that he killed anyone.
There may indeed be more forensic evidence but I highly doubt it. There is hardly any forensics that proves anything definitively to this point and the prosecution said that it'll be around Wednesday when they will wrap up.

As far as an appeal goes. It is unlikely an appeal will be won assuming a guilty verdict is reached. But the fact that two other cases were virtually tried in this one murder trial could absolutely make it more possible for a judge to consider a retrial.

I think they may have more evidence. It's too bad some of the DNA evidence was pitched in a way the jury might not understand (not sure I understood why there was such detail).

People have different views about reasonable doubt. Clearly, what's been presented has convinced some and not others.

I think the blood spatter on his shirt was really incriminating, along with his lies about his timeline (and the fact that he hired someone to make it look like he tried suicide, which is actually bizarre but also incriminating). Mens rea. That's a really important concept to juries, even if they don't know the phrase.

The judge who decides on a retrial is going to have to sit at a higher level than this one, who made the decision after somber reflection and with full knowledge of the law, IMO. I suppose the next higher court would be...what? State level supreme court? It's possible he will get kindly treatment there - but judges don't like overturning other judge's work and costing the state so much additional money, IME. That judge could strike the offending portions of the trial from the official record and still keep the verdict - it's done all the time, and that's what I would expect here. I think if this had been a bench trial, it would be over by now and he'd be found guilty.

 

[Luna20]

Buster's gf looked angry today in the courtroom at the end of the day.

She has looked like that the entire time. I haven’t seen a smile at all unless I’ve missed it. To me she actually looks angry.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Oh, yes, let's! Let's bring him on.

I mean, it's only fair. Surely he's the one single person on the planet that can explain all of this to the satisfaction of a jury.

Right?



I think they may have more evidence. It's too bad some of the DNA evidence was pitched in a way the jury might not understand (not sure I understood why there was such detail).

People have different views about reasonable doubt. Clearly, what's been presented has convinced some and not others.

I think the blood spatter on his shirt was really incriminating, along with his lies about his timeline (and the fact that he hired someone to make it look like he tried suicide, which is actually bizarre but also incriminating). Mens rea. That's a really important concept to juries, even if they don't know the phrase.

The judge who decides on a retrial is going to have to sit at a higher level than this one, who made the decision after somber reflection and with full knowledge of the law, IMO. I suppose the next higher court would be...what? State level supreme court? It's possible he will get kindly treatment there - but judges don't like overturning other judge's work and costing the state so much additional money, IME. That judge could strike the offending portions of the trial from the official record and still keep the verdict - it's done all the time, and that's what I would expect here. I think if this had been a bench trial, it would be over by now and he'd be found guilty.

I agree with everything above pretty much except the opinion that he'd be found guilty. I mean it's likely they'd come back with that but I just don't think the prosecution has proven definitively beyond a doubt that he's guilty. As discussed before, I do not think the roadside incident should be allowed in but I admit that the judge seems inclined to admit it.

I do not suspect that an appeal would be successful. I am merely suggesting that the presence of so much from other cases could be seen to potentially sway the jury towards an outcome from aspects that had no bearing of the actual charge at hand. It would be held in an appellant court. Whether it would be a panel or single judge, I am not sure.

The jury is going to have to decide if the timeline was lied about or something that was lost in the fray. I've seen lawyer commentary that said that people have been innocent of crimes ultimately but have lied about things because they thought it would make them look guilty. I'm not saying that is what happened here. Just mentioning that it has happened before.

 

[keek]

Always making very odd expressions and chewing big. Hard to tell with her and Buster, blank faced people, though I've not seen them outside the live streams of outside court or inside.

She has looked like that the entire time. I haven’t seen a smile at all unless I’ve missed it. To me she actually looks angry.

 

[Edvis]

DBM

That’s incredibly sad. I read this right after I finished watching SLED interview #2 in the car, on YouTube. I noticed the interview was dated June 10, 2021 … wasn’t that the same day that AM’s father passed away? The interview was being recorded in the afternoon, and AM said the funerals for MM and PM were scheduled for the following day.

My heart goes out to Investigator Owens and his family … I love his style of interviewing.

Maybe Investigator Owens duties to bring a killer to justice for the deaths of others will also bring peace to his own heart and mind over the passing of his family member. It's a heavy burden to bear with all this going on in his life but some shine brighter when asked to carry the load for their own as well as others.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I realize this has been hashed, but hearing MP's testimony about MM telling her why AM asked her to come to Moselle just made me replay this scenario, and these facts over and over in my mind.... Indeed, "lured" is the term I can't shake.

AM called MM and PM, around 4 pm, to come to Moselle to check on his mom and dad. When PM arrived, AM and PM just rode around the property. According to AM, after MM arrived, AM decided to nap...

What happened to taking MM and PM to see his parents, since it was so urgent?

If it was that big of a deal, why didn't AM leave work when he got the call and immediately drive a few hours to see his terminal father? IMO, he could have easily gotten there given the amount of time he piddled around the Moselle property.

His parents' home is within 10 minutes of his office, right?

And MM's sister saying AM told her that whoever did this to MM and PM "must have thought about it for a long time."

As Detective Kenda on ID says, "Well, my, my, my...."

Edited to add: If he called MM and PM to come to go check on his mom, WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE SURE TO TAKE THEM WITH HIM WHEN HE WENT TO SEE HER?

moo.

 

[Luna20]

We just had a murder conviction in MN, husband staged a "break in", shot and killed his wife, grazed his own leg. Trial was long in coming.... found guilty. Motive: didn't want wife to know house was in foreclosure.

It's possible Alec had two motives -- anger at Paul bc the lawsuit exposed him -- and desperation with Maggie -- didn't want Maggie to know about his fraud, failure and firing.

Made me queasy to hear Maggie's sister describe how Alec said neither Maggie nor Paul suffered at death. We know they did. And so does Alec.

JMO

What makes him qualified to say they didn’t suffer? In addition to physical suffering they definitely suffered the trauma of seeing who was coming after them.

 

[Edvis]

I realize this has been hashed, but hearing the MP's testimony about MM telling her why AM asked her to come to Moselle just made me replay this scenario, and these facts over and over in my mind.... Indeed, "lured" is the term I can't shake.

AM called MM and PM, around 4 pm, to come to Moselle to check on his mom and dad. When PM arrived, AM and PM just rode around the property. According to AM, after MM arrived, AM decided to nap...

What happened to taking MM and PM to see his parents, since it was so urgent?

If it was that big of a deal, why didn't AM leave work when he got the call and immediately drive a few hours to see his terminal father? IMO, he could have easily gotten there given the amount of time he piddled around the Moselle property.

His parents' home is within 10 minutes of his office, right?

And MM's sister saying AM told her that whoever did this to MM and PM "must have thought about it for a long time."

As Detective Kenda on ID says, "Well, my, my, my...."

The light from the bulbs that keep popping on just make the whole thing brighter and brighter as we move through the trial, for most of us I think.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The nature of his spousal relationship in regards to the affair is that of reconciliation. Both had obviously moved past it.

They apparently were separated at the time of the murders. Living together for 15 years while the younger son was finishing school might have nothing to do with whether a couple had "moved past it." For all we know, AM was not faithful after "reconciliation." There is usually nothing "obvious" about the state of a marriage where there has been infidelity and when the unfaithful partner is a self-admitted addict also committing embezzlement, fraud and other crimes.

 

[BeachSky]

I realize this has been hashed, but hearing MP's testimony about MM telling her why AM asked her to come to Moselle just made me replay this scenario, and these facts over and over in my mind.... Indeed, "lured" is the term I can't shake.

AM called MM and PM, around 4 pm, to come to Moselle to check on his mom and dad. When PM arrived, AM and PM just rode around the property. According to AM, after MM arrived, AM decided to nap...

What happened to taking MM and PM to see his parents, since it was so urgent?

If it was that big of a deal, why didn't AM leave work when he got the call and immediately drive a few hours to see his terminal father? IMO, he could have easily gotten there given the amount of time he piddled around the Moselle property.

His parents' home is within 10 minutes of his office, right?

And MM's sister saying AM told her that whoever did this to MM and PM "must have thought about it for a long time."

As Detective Kenda on ID says, "Well, my, my, my...."

Edited to add: If he called MM and PM to come to go check on his mom, WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE SURE TO TAKE THEM WITH HIM WHEN HE WENT TO SEE HER?

moo.

Plus if defense is going with murder/suicide by Paul ….
How did AM know to create this perfect setting for Paul’s plan by luring MM and PM to come home.

MOO