SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[CrownCowboy1]

I believe that the duplicitous nature of the defendant, the true nature of his spousal relationship, and his recidivism is pertinent to getting at the truth of his guilt or innocence. His deception in regard to his being present at the kennel is a key prosecutorial piece. His perpetual lying is important in providing perspective as to anything he has to say.

The nature of his spousal relationship in regards to the affair is that of reconciliation. Both had obviously moved past it.

 

[Katrinepa]

I am one of those who isn't too worried about appeals, which presume a conviction. If he is convicted, he'll be behind bars awaiting his next trial. The appeals will cost money. They will go slowly. And it's doubtful a new trial will be ordered merely because an attempt was made to introduce something from 15 years before.

Then he'll get his sentence(s) for the financial crimes. This guy isn't getting out and part of the community drama is that various parties want to testify to the kind of man he is: cheater; embezzler; forger; thief; hirer of gunmen to aid in a crime cover-up, etc.

In addition to killing his wife and son. While motive is unnecessary, many have now been introduced.

I think there will be more forensic evidence in the last inning of this trial. But there's a lot already.

Oh - and one them (he's a liar) threads through all of this. He *was* at the kennel that night - just minutes before the murders. He did *not* arrive when he said he did. He tried to get his mom's carer to support his alibi, it was awful to watch/hear. He hid evidence at his mom's house, when she was unable to know what he was doing.

Yep, there will be an appeal, but he will be convicted on the evidence and this trial will not restart merely because of the judge allowing witnesses to speak to his (concurrent) criminality.

I believe there are also other outstanding investigations...Ms. Satterfied's body is/was to be exhumed, and the young man's body found on a highway had some connection to Buster....Sickening how LE in the area often seems to have let investigations just slip away, or not even look into many possible cases!!! I hope this is also looked into overall! RICO offences are Very possible/Probable. MOO

 

[Edvis]

I believe that the duplicitous nature of the defendant, the true nature of his spousal relationship, and his recidivism is pertinent to getting at the truth of his guilt or innocence. His deception in regard to his being present at the kennel is a key prosecutorial piece. His perpetual lying is important in providing perspective as to anything he has to say.

Agreed for one cannot keep crying wolf to distract others from the obvious, sooner or later the wolves will show up at the door.

 

[vls12345]

This is awful!! Where is a headstone for each of these burial plots??? Couldn't someone provide even a simple headstone?? AM, the Murdaugh family, or even MM's family??? This says everything about how classless these people are.

I posted a possibility for this earlier in the thread...

There is a back up on getting headstones due to the large number of deaths during the covid years, along with supply chain issues. (Unfortunately I know this from personal experience and we are still waiting on a headstone.) Even the owner of the funeral home we were using was still waiting on a headstone for his relative because of the back-ups and he obviously has a lot of inside connections to people in the funeral business; even so, he is waiting like everyone else is. (This is in SC.)

MOO.

My earlier (similar) post:

SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

Wow, Bart is next!

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[lonetraveler]

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Does anyone believe that Defense has not gone over every single scenario for every single possibility before this trial started? Of course they knew that the 'roadside shooting' was going to come in. JMO

 

[General wooster]

The nature of his spousal relationship in regards to the affair is that of reconciliation. Both had obviously moved past it.

The nature of his spousal relationship in regards to the affair is that of reconciliation. Both had obviously moved past it.

Not true, according to Maggie’s sister today.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Not true, according to Maggie’s sister today.

So they didn't stay together for another 15 years?

 

[rescuemom]

I really hoped we’d find out where all of AM’s stolen $ went. I don’t understand money laundering at all. Maybe he has it tucked away in the Cayman Islands or somewhere?

If he had money stashed somewhere do you really think he would go through all of this????

 

[Derph]

The attempt to bring the affair in just shows the desperation of the prosecution. And I was mentioning it in real time before a ruling was put forth. So nobody was harping on anything. If anyone was harping it was the prosecution to bring in something that is yet again irrelevant to this case.

And that goes to the broader point I and a few others are making. This is a murder trial. This isn't the trial of his finances nor is it the trial of the roadside shooting. A prosecution can question his character whether the defense opens the door to it or not lol. The roadside shooting was sought after in an attempt to prove a motive AFTER the fact. Not to prove he is a liar. And as the defense points out, AM admitted to the whole thing as soon as he was questioned by SLED.

All of this is going to be brought up in an appeal. Whether the appeal is granted is yet to be seen if a guilty verdict is reached but it does in my opinion make it way more likely than if it wasn't allowed in.

Except for the part that ALL of his finance crimes lead to the murders and his attempted suicide by hitman. Whether you like it or not they are all interconnected. The 1st domino fell and led to the other crimes. That's what I and practically the entire Low Country think.

Also he admitted everything to SLED because they had him completely dead to rights. He was cornered and had no more cards to play. Everything caught up to him and his decades of lies all came home to roost.

It all won't matter in the long run. He's going to be in jail for the rest of his life on most if not all the other financial crimes he committed.

 

[Edvis]

Hear, hear! Or to take the late night trash to the curb and hoping the motion detector lights don’t come on.

Fighting off Raccoons to get the trash there too lol

 

[justtrish]

Not always. Not in cases with no hard evidence such as this.

The prosecution has to bring in other aspects. They have hardly anything else.

So what should prosecutors do in cases where they have a savvy killer who makes sure he murders his victims where there are no cameras, then leaves the scene and disposes of weapons, changes clothing and gets rid of the clothing he was wearing and then returns to "discover" the tragedy?

If there is no murder weapon in his hand or "blood on his hands" because he was good at cleaning up after himself and telling a good story.. then what?

The circumstantial evidence IS evidence and it is just as important as if Alex had a smoking gun in his hand. Thank God the system allows for cases to move forward based on more than just direct proof like a video of the murder or the murderer having the gun that killed someone.

His financials do matter because he was confronted the day of the murders with what was found. He did ask Maggie and Paul out there that night. Maggie told her sister. Paul has video of his dad just minutes before the murder and his dad lied and said he wasn't at the kennel. His dad was at the house during the murders yet he was sleeping and didn't see a thing, didn't hear a thing, just went to his moms.. returns to find them. Okay his lie saying he wasn't at the kennel is what causes us to look closer at him. Well now why would he lie about that? He was trying to distance himself from Maggie and Paul for that time frame. Why did he suggest to his moms caregiver that he was there longer than what he was? Why did he discuss his shirt with the housekeeper? It all adds up to him trying to change the narrative of his clothing and actions the day of the murders. WHY? I don't understand why this is not just as important as direct evidence. Why is he offering his opinion as to who could have done this before the officer even asks him that question? Why is he not concerned for his or his living sons safety if he thinks this is revenge for the boat accident? Everyone is worried for their safety but not the man who found his murdered family? The guy who believes it was revenge killings doesn't think those killers could come after him? Yet then he stages a shooting to try to pin it on the same people who killed his family? WHY? These things are all 100% relevant to this case and all of it points right back to Alex.

Edited to add: so while you might think a trial needs something directly tying a person to the crime, legally it isn't required. Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and the state has every right and I'd say even an obligation to present that evidence.

 

[lonetraveler]

Fractured his skull??? Hahaha! It was barely a flesh wound and hardly noticeable. My goodness the lies just NEVER stop with Alex.

Hopefully, since now the "roadside shooting" can be discussed, there will be a medical report showing his 'horrific" his injury was, really.

 

[Seattle1]

I am one of those who isn't too worried about appeals, which presume a conviction. If he is convicted, he'll be behind bars awaiting his next trial. The appeals will cost money. They will go slowly. And it's doubtful a new trial will be ordered merely because an attempt was made to introduce something from 15 years before.

Then he'll get his sentence(s) for the financial crimes. This guy isn't getting out and part of the community drama is that various parties want to testify to the kind of man he is: cheater; embezzler; forger; thief; hirer of gunmen to aid in a crime cover-up, etc.

In addition to killing his wife and son. While motive is unnecessary, many have now been introduced.

I think there will be more forensic evidence in the last inning of this trial. But there's a lot already.

Oh - and one them (he's a liar) threads through all of this. He *was* at the kennel that night - just minutes before the murders. He did *not* arrive when he said he did. He tried to get his mom's carer to support his alibi, it was awful to watch/hear. He hid evidence at his mom's house, when she was unable to know what he was doing.

Yep, there will be an appeal, but he will be convicted on the evidence and this trial will not restart merely because of the judge allowing witnesses to speak to his (concurrent) criminality.

Thank you @10ofRods.

Seldom do jurors leave their common sense outside the deliberation room.

Placing aside all experts and big dollar defense, when your wife and child are murdered at the family home, an innocent man has no reason to lie about anything -- and certainly not about crucial details of when/where you last saw your wife and child. JMO

 

[TDoc72]

I'll never take issue with a mother wanting to protect her son but not at the expense of another mother's innocent son.

Let's be real, MM: PM was charged after two months in spite of the Murdaugh machine doing its best to kill it.

And PM being so intoxicated not to remember driving is not the same as evidence PM was not driving. JMO

Also 4-5 witnesses that Paul was driving. (Yes, I know they were drinking too.) Maybe AM should’ve killed all of them. I’m not sure how he planned to clear Paul’s name.

And as the defense points out, AM admitted to the whole thing as soon as he was questioned by SLED.

(Respectfully SBM)
IMO he PIVOTED to a new story as soon as he realized SLED wasn’t buying his sob story.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I do agree that no matter what, he will be behind bars because he'll be awaiting his next trail. That's a fact.

Motive is not necessary, that is true. However, this prosecution has spent the majority of it's time focusing on what his motives were to prove he committed this crime. They are doing that for a reason and their reason is that they know their case is lacking evidence. Their biggest piece of evidence is the snapchat video. That MAY prove that he lied when he told authorities that he was never down by the kennels. But that doesn't prove beyond a doubt that he killed anyone.
There may indeed be more forensic evidence but I highly doubt it. There is hardly any forensics that proves anything definitively to this point and the prosecution said that it'll be around Wednesday when they will wrap up.

As far as an appeal goes. It is unlikely an appeal will be won assuming a guilty verdict is reached. But the fact that two other cases were virtually tried in this one murder trial could absolutely make it more possible for a judge to consider a retrial.

Two words: gunshot residue.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The nature of his spousal relationship in regards to the affair is that of reconciliation. Both had obviously moved past it.

The defendant is an addict. So he is not emotionally or psychologically available for a "spousal relationship" because his primary relationship is to his chosen substances.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Except for the part that ALL of his finance crimes lead to the murders and his attempted suicide by hitman. Whether you like it or not they are all interconnected. The 1st domino fell and led to the other crimes. That's what I and practically the entire Low Country think.

Also he admitted everything to SLED because they had him completely dead to rights. He was cornered and had no more cards to play. Everything caught up to him and his decades of lies all came home to roost.

It all won't matter in the long run. He's going to be in jail for the rest of his life on most if not all the other financial crimes he committed.

The attempted suicide on the roadside did not lead to the murders because it happened after the fact. The prosecution is trying to bring this in to facilitate his overall motive for the murders and that doesn't fly.

Some may find it hard to believe that murdering your son and wife to alleviate any reckoning with financial crimes is what happened here, but most could believe it.

His defense of suicide so his son could collect the insurance money has no bearing on the murders.

 

[Edvis]

So they didn't stay together for another 15 years?

Many couples stay together despite infidelity from one or the other but believe me those embers are always smoldering with doubt. I've been a peacemaker, friend and pacifier for several friends who's doubt's have bubbled up over many years.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Two words: gunshot residue.

Which was admitted could not be decided when it was deposited on anything they analyzed. It could have came days before the murder. There are guns all over the property that were used frequently.

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Many couples stay together despite infidelity from one or the other but believe me those embers are always smoldering with doubt. I've been a peacemaker, friend and pacifier for several friends who's doubt's have bubbled up over many years.

I agree. Still doesn't change the fact that they reconciled enough to stay married for a decade and a half.