SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[skyedaze]

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Right???
yeah, I bet. The only time he hasn't lied.

 

[geevee]

I noticed too that when the investigator asked him what happened between dinner and his "nap", like how did Maggie and Paul get to the kennels and when he saw them last, he drew a great big pregnant statue of liberty pause. Had no answer, couldn't even auto-generate one. But here's the thing -- and I think nearly anyone who experiences a sudden death has absolutely recall of the last time they saw the person, last thing that was said. Those are frozen in time.

His answer should have been easy. We cleared (as if) the table (as if), Paul went outside (for instance) and Maggie stayed in the kitchen while I lay down. I must have fallen asleep before she left.

But IMO his brain had to cycle past his actual recollection of when he last saw them -- Paul turning toward him, likely startled by the shoulder blast, then the realization that must have crossed his face, then the brain at his feet. Then Maggie, upright, moving, the first shot, the second. Maybe Maggie downed, on a knee. Then perhaps doubled over, shots 3 and 4, wrap around shot 5. Dogs barking and whining, whimpering. Then remembering Bubba, the kennel, the hose, the chicken... tick tick tick... too late now to say, yes, I remember now -- they headed out the door together before I settled on the couch or somesuch.

Instead he said he just didn't know, couldn't remember.

As if.

JMO

I so agree, he shouldn't have to think a second about what happened the last time he saw his family. Later in the interview the LEO asked when he and Paul were riding around if they had gone to the kennels, he hemmed around, must have remembered he said '"back" to the kennels' (when he got home from Mom's) and said that was their base, he couldn't remember what they did but they must have been there some, done something. We know why he can't 'recall' details of his made up alibi but it wasn't stopping him from trying to sell the cops on it.

 

[skyedaze]

I heard Maggie's sister say that she asked Alex if Maggie suffered (not struggled) and Alex told her no, she did not, but the sister has come to learn that wasn't true. (Maggie's sister would obviously learn that from the pathologist's findings).

That poor lady. And can you imagine the horrible realization moment right there?
omg

 

[clearskies1]

Regarding the road side shooting, remember Blanca testified that Alex asked her to send him a photo of his medical insurance card that day, before the shooting.

 

[Warwick7]

MOO

I can see with my minds eye the moment MM's sister realized Alex killered her sister and nephew...

Can you imagine the scene?

Sitting on the edge of her bed. Reliving what she had heard in Sept. The gears in her mind going over and over and over all the stealing and embezzling she knew Alex had done....

Think for a moment of a woman sliding off her bed in tears and groans. Hitting the floor not being able to breath...

Her body shaking violently as she bawled, groaned and cried....realizing he murdered them.

It hurts me in my guts....

Murdaugh's sister-in-law saw odd behavior after killings

Alex Murdaugh’s sister-in-law has testified in his double murder trial that she thought it was odd that he didn’t seem scared in the weeks after his son Paul and wife Maggie were killed at their South Carolina home.

apnews.com

 

[clearskies1]

I so agree, he shouldn't have to think a second about what happened the last time he saw his family. Later in the interview the LEO asked when he and Paul were riding around if they had gone to the kennels, he hemmed around, must have remembered he said '"back" to the kennels' (when he got home from Mom's) and said that was their base, he couldn't remember what they did but they must have been there some, done something. We know why he can't 'recall' details of his made up alibi but it wasn't stopping him from trying to sell the cops on it.

He should have been prepared for that question... I mean he's a lawyer! What did he think they were going to ask him about? JMO.

 

[Luna20]

He should have been prepared for that question... I mean he's a lawyer! What did he think they were going to ask him about? JMO.

These are the areas where I see a lack of intelligence. A good lawyer should be able to put that together and in advance of.

 

[passionflower]

I love the pathologist’s not backing down from defense.

 

[skyedaze]

Sweater ninjas.

Jmo

YES!!!!

 

[Luna20]

OMG!!!!

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I think I know where he is going with that ‘of course drug addicts lie but those lies don’t make him a murderer’.

 

[Knox]

Well, more twists and turns today. I sure like this Judge, but do any of you think he seems slanted to the State? Or is it just that AM didn't give the defense anything to work with, lol.

 

[justtrish]

I agree with everything above pretty much except the opinion that he'd be found guilty. I mean it's likely they'd come back with that but I just don't think the prosecution has proven definitively beyond a doubt that he's guilty. As discussed before, I do not think the roadside incident should be allowed in but I admit that the judge seems inclined to admit it.

I do not suspect that an appeal would be successful. I am merely suggesting that the presence of so much from other cases could be seen to potentially sway the jury towards an outcome from aspects that had no bearing of the actual charge at hand. It would be held in an appellant court. Whether it would be a panel or single judge, I am not sure.

The jury is going to have to decide if the timeline was lied about or something that was lost in the fray. I've seen lawyer commentary that said that people have been innocent of crimes ultimately but have lied about things because they thought it would make them look guilty. I'm not saying that is what happened here. Just mentioning that it has happened before.

Reading that last sentence or two I can't help but think this isn't an average person. This is a lawyer from a prominent family. He had gotten away with every single crime he committed to this point. He has no reason to think the truth would make him look guilty (unless of course the truth was he did this).

I can tell you if I was sleeping and woke up and went to see my mom, but later found out i narrowly missed being killed myself because I must have passed the killer on the road or even worse been in the house just yards away from the location my family was murdered by some stranger.. I'd be freaking out. I imagine saying things like OMG I was here and I didn't hear anything, I could have been killed too, what if I could have stopped this or prevented it, my god what if I would have just driven down there instead of texting about going to moms.. what if I could have done something? What if this person is out there, what if they are in the house? I mean none of that was being said. He was just telling the officer what he thougth the motive was and that he went to the house to get a gun. Then he tried to get several witnesses to say something other than what they knew to be the truth and then it goes on and on.

This is a man that was VERY aware of the judicial system. He knows #1 don't lie to police or just don't talk to them period. It makes no sense to say I wasn't down at the kennels unless he wanted to hide his involvement in this crime.

 

[geevee]

He should have been prepared for that question... I mean he's a lawyer! What did he think they were going to ask him about? JMO.

He can't seem to remember anything specifically that he and Paul did -and a short portion is on a video Paul took that he's seen several times. He also said they had used two different truck - I was waiting for one of the cops to ask him why, weren't they riding together, or how and why did changing trucks come about, but they never asked.

I have wondered in the back of my mind if he hadn't planned on Paul having a 'hunting accident' during that hour or two riding around and he just never got the opportunity or chickened out.

I have seen the question come up more than once about who was killed first, in my mind it had to have been Paul, because he was in the feed room - if MM had been shot first, he would have been out and seeing what the shooting was about, but he was taken by surprise while getting something for the dogs.

I'd still love to know what made AM act at that time, was it because Paul was trapped in that small room, and he knew he could chase down Maggie, even in the dark (had she gotten away from the lights of the hanger)? Why that particular night? Because Daddy was dying soon and he wanted to eliminate as many heirs as possible? Had he been thinking about it for a long time, like he remarked to MM's sister? I suppose it all will be an enduring mystery, as he'll never tell.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I'm surprized there's no headstones.

I've heard they are worried about vandalism and/or theft with all the controversy about the family, so they are waiting until the trial and the Murdaughs are no longer headlines everyday.

 

[Seattle1]

Is anyone else shocked that Marian confirmed that Maggie was aware of AM taking “pills”? And Paul was a “little detective” checking up on his pill stashing?

I really didn’t buy the opiod angle. I’m still not sure I do.

I am shocked. I thought it was another bunch of baloney Alex was using to excuse behavior.

I'm not surprised that PM and MM knew that AM kept a stash of pills allegedly obtained from Cousin Eddie but I don't believe he had an $8M habit! I think AM was a recreational user and sustainable without having to steal millions. JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I have a feeling this gun might also be missing. I think it may have later been used during the fake suicide for hire. Cousin Eddie alleges he got rid of the weapon wrestled away from AM. MOO

I feel like the weapon involved with the roadside situation was a hand gun. I think a long arm wasn't suited to the situation. OMO.

 

[clearskies1]

He can't seem to remember anything specifically that he and Paul did -and a short portion is on a video Paul took that he's seen several times. He also said they had used two different truck - I was waiting for one of the cops to ask him why, weren't they riding together, or how and why did changing trucks come about, but they never asked.

I have wondered in the back of my mind if he hadn't planned on Paul having a 'hunting accident' during that hour or two riding around and he just never got the opportunity or chickened out.

I have seen the question come up more than once about who was killed first, in my mind it had to have been Paul, because he was in the feed room - if MM had been shot first, he would have been out and seeing what the shooting was about, but he was taken by surprise while getting something for the dogs.

I'd still love to know what made AM act at that time, was it because Paul was trapped in that small room, and he knew he could chase down Maggie, even in the dark (had she gotten away from the lights of the hanger)? Why that particular night? Because Daddy was dying soon and he wanted to eliminate as many heirs as possible? Had he been thinking about it for a long time, like he remarked to MM's sister? I suppose it all will be an enduring mystery, as he'll never tell.

I wonder if Alex felt protected or immune from things because of his father's power. I imagine his father's influence waned with his illness, but his impending death may have sparked fear in Alex -- especially in terms of the law firm, where his father had worked -- that he no longer had a protector. Just speculating.

 

[justtrish]

Alex's statement that whoever did it must have planned it for a long time really is telling.

Also, if this was a revenge killing, then why did the killer wait that long to kill them? Alex and Paul were riding around for a while before, then they went to eat dinner, then down to the kennels. How would someone know they were there unless they followed Paul when he came to the property? How would this stranger know that Paul was not armed, especially because he often was when riding around the property. How did a stranger know there was not guns in that room Paul was in? How did a stranger get that close to Maggie and Paul? If someone was waiting for the right time to murder them, this was NOT it. So many unknowns for a stranger to come in for a revenge killing.

Now if it's Alex and he has control of every single element that a stranger wouldn't have control of, that makes perfect sense. Alex would know Paul isn't armed. Alex didn't have a gun in his truck because Paul and Maggie both would know there would be a gun there and if something went wrong guess who could run to the truck and get that gun? Alex is the one who planned it for some time and he knew exactly what he was doing and where it would be best to do it.

 

[Seattle1]

I feel like the weapon involved with the roadside situation was a hand gun. I think a long arm wasn't suited to the situation. OMO.

Yes, I was replying to the post about AM always keeping a pistol in his vehicle. There was no long gun in the discussion.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Holy buckets -- not that MM's heartbreak was funny but you have to love she never let AM forget what allegedly happened in 2007.

No doubt AM sure made MM pay for (constantly) bringing it up.

She could never completely trust him after that. OMO.