SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[Batman's Mommy]

They are getting in the fake suicide attempt!

I cannot stand it being called a suicide attempt. People who are seriously suicidal usually accomplish what they are attempting to do.

 

[10ofRods]

I guess I don't think of shotguns as being for home defense and when looking at the property and what it's used for, it's for hunting. I think it would be unusual to go hunting with various slugs right? I thought this is what was unusual. Reading your reasoning about the various slugs and what order makes me feel sick because if Alex intended to just wound Paul first and then kill him, that is even more horrific.

I will say if we have an intruder in my house and my husband is home, the intent is not going to be to wound him first and hope he leaves. My LE military husband is trained you don't shoot unless your intent is to kill. It sounds harsh, but wounding someone and hoping they leave or that you can get a second shot off if needed is risky.

The bird shot can and does kill. So yes, our intent would be to kill, but the length of time in between shots would be...one second? It's a semi-automatic.

No, it's not unusual to go hunting with various slugs. It depends on the type of hunting. A person is likely to load buckshot and then a slug for deer, elk, moose, etc. If you're out hunting and you run into a bear, a bear is likely to still charge you if you shoot it with buckshot (there's no need to shoot bears where I live - they are shy, but I'm talking about Alaskan bears or Wyoming/Montana bears). So if you're deer hunting, you're prepared with a couple of rounds of buckshot (or one round) and then a slug (to put the animal out of its misery - or to shoot a bear). I know people who do all slugs, of course. I know people who use a knife for the lethal moment.

But my dad and his brother (both real cowboys, both hunters, and my dad was an army sharpshooter and a lifelong gun enthusiast) always put birdshot in first. And my classes have taught me why. Let's just say that you're less likely to miss your target with birdshot, and whoever gets shot with it (even a bear) is not going to take it lightly. Most creatures will be down (and birds will likely be dead).

Intent to kill WHAT is the question. I do not want to have the intent to kill Bad Guy and accidentally kill the neighbor walking down the street in the middle of the night (or in their car, actually). I think putting only slugs in, in a suburb, is irresponsible unless the crime rate is super high, I guess. Even then. And shooting to kill a person can end up shooting someone you didn't mean to - it's very common. So we prefer to stop the person (and are completely prepared to continue shooting if necessary - all of it with the clear idea that if we pull a trigger, we are trying to kill someone, obviously).

 

[Edvis]

A wise man once told me not to load my shotgun with slugs if I was using it for home defense because it is easier to fix the wall if you shoot it with buckshot than with a slug.... THANKFULLY, I have not been in a situation to need it, but I found his explanation interesting.

Yup we use slugs for Deer hunting up here in MI. during that season but it will remove sheetrock and doors in a jiffy as well.

 

[Edvis]

They are getting in the fake suicide attempt!

AM even helped describe a fake person working with a sketch artist.

Might as well draw a ghost in a sheet.

 

[Derph]

But their shotguns were not for home defense. They were for hunting. Who goes out hunting birds and loads various things into the shotgun? I would think you load the bullets appropriate for what you are intending to hunt. They had a house full of guns and I can't imagine the shotgun would be first in mind for home defense. I know what my husband has at the ready for home defense and it's not a shotgun.

Everyone is different in their choices for home or personal defense. I used to hunt and you're going to change the rounds depending on what your are hunting. There are multiple uses for a shotgun. They don't necessarily have to be used for hunting or home defense. A good or favorite shotgun can be used for both. It's really easy to change out rounds. Takes less than a minute. So it's totally fair and common to keep a gun loaded or unload with whichever kind of rounds you want for home defense and then if you go hunting the next morning you just take the right ammo for whatever it is your hunting.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[BUF]

Wet garments in a cooler? Have we heard this before?

 

[clearskies1]

Ok, the state is recovering pretty well on re-direct. JMO.

 

[Weki]

Wet garments in a cooler? Have we heard this before?

State is desperate. Speculation upon speculation. They got in the roadside incident. Smh.

 

[10ofRods]

If your looking at protection purposes sure, hit em with a small round ball load to get moving then if need be throw the buckshot at them to do some real hurting.

Exactly. And my husband and I had to work this system out to both our satisfaction. In our size house, buckshot is going to be lethal in most cases, or nearly so. Whole situation is awful and we actually think that our alarmed and camera'ed house is one of the least likely to be chosen for a home invasion, but you never know.

We are not hunters, whatsoever. We're both pretty good shots, both of us grew up with guns. I did target practice in my parents' back yard - with a .22 But the shotgun and bird or buck shot means that I don't have to worry quite as much about being an ace. That's why a rifle is less desirable for us (not to mention that any high powered rifle - anything above a .22 would go right through any person inside our house - and possibly kill someone else).

 

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[Boodles]

Meadors makes me so nervous. I’m afraid he will slip up and cause a mistrial.

 

[rescuemom]

Feel like the defense is just sticking fingers in the same ole holes that have been there from the start, maybe a few new one's. I don't find it riveting but just the defense stepping up to the mound with a different bat hoping for that home run trying to hit within their happy zone. With the Titanic within view I'm reminded of the bad rivets and steel that were used in the area of the rip that took it down, Defense can't use bad "riveting" rivets and steel to keep their ship afloat as well. IMO just feel like I'm getting a reworded version of what the defense has thrown around already but we all must continue to go with the ebb and flow of this case/crazy train.

The defense from the beginning has just talked to hear their head rattle!! They have brought nothing to the table and I don't expect they will. There will probably bring high priced out of state experts to try to impress the common folk they deem to be on the jury. DH and JG are easily impressed so should everyone else. That's ok, it has to be hard to represent this person, even to be next to him. They are not giving the jury enough respect or credit, IMO!!

 

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[Boodles]

Can someone explain the cooler questions/point? Owens said it was there Monday night, right? Did I mishear? I thought Meadors was trying to imply the cooler was used to transport bloody wet clothes. I’m lost.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

Agent Owens' mother died yesterday, too. I cannot imagine his emotional state given his personal circumstances, and testifying to these horrific murders...

moo

 

[10ofRods]

So - Maggie's blood is on Alec's steering wheel? Is that correct or am I misunderstanding??

 

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[makayla]

Meadors makes me so nervous. I’m afraid he will slip up and cause a mistrial.

He reminds me of a bumbling old professor with his shuffling of papers and looking like he’d trip at any minute

 

[Edvis]

Exactly. And my husband and I had to work this system out to both our satisfaction. In our size house, buckshot is going to be lethal in most cases, or nearly so. Whole situation is awful and we actually think that our alarmed and camera'ed house is one of the least likely to be chosen for a home invasion, but you never know.

We are not hunters, whatsoever. We're both pretty good shots, both of us grew up with guns. I did target practice in my parents' back yard - with a .22 But the shotgun and bird or buck shot means that I don't have to worry quite as much about being an ace. That's why a rifle is less desirable for us (not to mention that any high powered rifle - anything above a .22 would go right through any person inside our house - and possible kill someone else).

I like to hear that when a couple has a safe home protection planned worked out as my better half and I do. Nothing worse then folks running around like crazy chickens when an intruder is in the house. My lovely lady has her 9mm and I still have my military issued 45cal, it will stop em in their tracks. If all fails then out come the shotguns lol.