SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #24

[Edvis]

Who is he talking about getting drugs from? The kennel cleaning neighbor or a housekeeper?

Believe cuz Eddie was the pusher man.

 

[Warwick7]

This makes sense when you consider the close range.

If AM had fired and ducked away, then pops back out in an aggressive pose, the victim is right there close, and he no doubt fired the second shot without in reaction without aiming

There was no time to shoulder the weapon

We talked about this in the beginning when that document came out. We figured it was a hip shot or he dropped to a knee shot. The way you described it sounds very very logical.

Murdaugh Motion for Sanctions - DocumentCloud

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[makayla]

If we can hear him lie like this on this call, can you imagine what he would come up with if he testifies?

At least the jury is also hearing this and maybe wouldn’t believe a word he would say if he does testify.

Excellent point! How could they believe anything AM says after all the lies that have been exposed during the trial!

 

[pizzaman12]

Sorry, I’m not buying he purchased that amount of pills per week for his personal use. Nope. MOO

Nor will many and that will create doubt in some people's minds. I know I have doubts surrounding it

 

[10ofRods]

I know we don't have to know exact motive or what the specific tipping point is in order to know Alex did this, but I keep thinking about the order of events. Why this day, what was different. He was confronted about stealing. He finds out his dad is dying. Those are two big things to happen in close time frame. What does he do? He asks the CFO for information about his 401K and says he's doing something for the boat case hearing coming up later that week.

I looked up 401K and if they are touchable by a civil suit and the answer is no. The only way a 401K is in play is by divorce, it is considered marital assets and also the IRS can access it. So why would he be wanting the 401K info for the civil case if that isn't something that could be touched? Why did he want that information, that day, right before he leaves work to go home and murder his family? Was he searching for another way out? Was this something that tipped him toward feeling he had no other choice, was it something he was looking at to see if he could possibly have enough in there to pay off these debts he had from stealing?

Snipped for focus. (Great post)

That fund could be tapped in a federal case, I believe.

He may have believed he would be charged with federal crimes (and I suppose he sill could be).

Can My 401(K) Be Seized or Garnished?

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(Third paragraph in the section on whether the Feds can tap a 401K).

He must have felt his domestic and his public world were falling apart.

And yes, he was going to have to find the money for a good criminal defense for Paul and possibly, for himself, in the boat case. He found out that mediation had failed, what, 1-2 days before the murders? And the confrontation about the law office thefts was quite recent. MM had moved 70 miles away and I believe he knew she wasn't coming back and he knew her well enough to know she'd hire a good lawyer with a forensic accountant.

Oh, and if was worried about being arrested on all the financial charges and if he really was an addict, he had to have been worried about that as well. One form of family annihilator is the type who thinks he's "protecting" the family from reputational damage, shame or financial disaster (if they were about to become poor). And another type is vengeance killing (when a wife is leaving and taking half the assets).

IMO. I am going by memory and this is all speculation.

Characteristics of 4 Types of Family Murderers

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[Batman's Mommy]

"I had been down there to talk with some attorneys about some things...." ....."Buster's girlfriend........." .......insert DH

 

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[arielilane]

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Now to phone interview of #AlexMurdaugh on 9/13/2021. AM was in Atlanta.

Dick Harpootlian says they have to be out of the room in 30 to 40 minutes. Kelly said they prefer not to do telephone interviews. But this is what they requested so they don't have a choice.

"Richard Alexander Murdaugh" AM says as he identifies himself for the recording.
Kelly: are you in sound body and sound mind?
AM: Yes sir.
Kelly: Are you talking to us willingly?
AM: Yes sir.

AM said he met with Jim Griffin and then Chris Wilson at his mom's house. AM and Chris Wilson were talking about everything he had done with pills, money and lying

AM says the best he can remember, his Oxycontin addiction had begun 18 to 20 years ago. "I had taken some at 4 a.m. so I was having some withdrawals." The next day, news of his embezzlement came out

AM said he felt it would be easier for his family if he was dead. "I had a fair amount of life insurance.. $10M or $12M." AM said he called Curtis Eddie Smith. Had bought them from him for years

AM said he'd been giving Eddie Smith $50K-$60K each week for pills. Asked Eddie to meet him "not too far out from my mom's house."

Eddie followed him into town by the Sunoco gas station. "I don't think we got out of our cars." AM in Mercedes. Eddie in the grey pickup truck. He said he asked Eddie to shoot him. He seemed surprised but then said "Ok."

Eddie was going to follow him out. AM said he gave Eddie the gun. Not much discussion. Eddie followed him out to Salkehatchie Rd. AM said he made his tire flat. Back driver's side.

AM drove out. Eddie shot him but missed. Hit him in the back of the head. Lost vision for a little bit. Disoriented. Took a minute for vision to come back. Remembers there were two cars. One stopped and tried to help him

Alex said his intent was to be killed so Buster could get life insurance because he was about to lose everything. AM said he first asked Eddie to shoot him at the Sunoco and then it happened however long it took to get back to the scene

AM apologizes to Kelly and said when he saw him in the hospital he was in a "very bad place." Kelly: How long have you known Curtis? AM: I've known him for years. I represented him. He knew my dad from playing softball

AM said he talked to Eddie on teh phone frequenty about getting pills. He said he paid him frequently. It varied. Paid mostly in checks. Most came from Bank of America and Palmetto State Bank accounts

AM says he paid Eddie Smith from the DBA Forge account. AM says he was told Eddie got the drugs from a black guy in Walterboro and some connection in Beaufort. Never saw those guys. Don't know

AM said he gave Kenny Hughes money for drugs, too. Who's Kenny Hughes? He's a guy I called up and asked for drugs. Paid him in checks and cash. "In the past, I have paid other people."

AM said he had paid Barbara Mixon on very few occasions for drugs. Mixon worked for his mom, Miss Libby

.38 revolver had been at Miss Libby's house. He said he gave it to Eddie Smith but doesn't know what he did with it. AM said he doesn't know if Eddie has talked to any of his family members. AM doesn't know. Kelly says Eddie said he needed to talk to his attorney, who was Am

Kelly said Eddie then said Randy Murdaugh was his lawyer. AM said Randy's not going to rep him."

AM denies calling Eddie Smith from the hospital but then said Randy said he called him. "When you're going through withdrawals, you'll do anything to make it stop. That's probably what that was about"

#AlexMurdaugh says majority of the money he paid to Eddie Smith was ill-gotten. Might have been some of his money. Dick says AM is no longer independently wealthy

AM says he didn't pay Eddie to shoot him, when asked. He just asked him and he said he'd do it

AM said it would have been several days before the shooting, last time he paid Eddie Smith with a check. Kelly asks if he owes other dealers money. AM: No sir. Kelly asks b/c he wants to know if there's a threat to Buster

Griffin then says something about "that assumes he passed all the money along." Referencing Alex not owing any dealers money. (There's been mention of the Cowboys gang)

Kelly said it doesn't make any sense to him about not paying Eddie Smith to shoot him. Kelly asks again "you did not pay any money to Eddie to shoot you?" AM: No, I did not

AM is asked about the insurance policy. He says he doesn't know where it is.

Kelly: Did anyone know about this plan besides you and Curtis? AM: "No.... I sincerely apologize for lying to y'all.

Kelly now going through the details of the shooting. AM says he thinks he got the knife from Eddie after he gave him the gun. Kelly: Why weren't you truthful with us about this when it happened? AM: I don't know other than I was in a bad place

 

[JJBONES]

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Good grief! How many pills did he take per day with his supposed addiction? Matthew Perry admitted in his new memoir to taking 55 pills per day before his colon burst! I'm from NC and you can't tell me with all the good ol' boys clubs that run the state of SC that Alex couldn't have bought off a doctor to get pills if he wanted them. SMH

 

[makayla]

Tinsley testified he was speculating that there was probably no life insurance for anybody including AM. This was not a statement of fact.

I've previously posted the linked quote.

Oh, thank you …. I missed that … I appreciate the correction!

 

[arielilane]

Recess until 9:30 am ET tomorrow

 

[Cindizzi]

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[mrjitty]

Personally, I think the defense is just trying to add names to a cast of characters who could potentially have been involved in the murders of MM and PM. Anything to keep the focus away from AM. I’m not sure the jury is going to buy this.

BIB. This is what i think as well.

Counsel needs to be able to wildly speculate that someone did this - so they need some actual people in evidence.

Of course anyone who believes these are the real real killers after the attempt to blame local vigilantes ... well

 

[It's Good to be King]

I thought that Mark Tinsley said none of them had insurance, referring to MM, PM and AM

Then what would Buster have benefitted from AM being killed?

 

[Soccerfan]

I am sorry if these questions have already been answered. I've been watching most days of the trial and I had two questions in the back of my head that I never heard answers to.

1. Do we actually know for a FACT that AM had a drug addiction? Both prosecution and defense admit that AM is a congenital liar. Could he be lying about the drug addiction? Is there any debate about this?
2. Did the prosecution present evidence of where AM's phone was at the time of the murders? Yes, there is the Snapchat video from PM but what about the data from AM's phone? What does his phone show? How did I miss this piece of data?

 

[Edvis]

Good grief! How many pills did he take per day with his supposed addiction? Matthew Perry admitted in his new memoir to taking 55 pills per day before his colon burst! I'm from NC and you can't tell me with all the good ol' boys clubs that run the state of SC that Alex couldn't have bought off a doctor to get pills if he wanted them. SMH

Thinking he would get his amount " Fix needed" and ole cuz Eddie was selling the rest to whoever.

 

[Diddian]

Notes to keep in mind when listening to AM:

LE officer: Why did you lie to us when we first talked to you?

AM: I was in a bad place.

AM on night of the murders on 911 call and to LE at the scene: “it’s bad. It’s real bad.”

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I would be interested in some video from WalMart to see how many burner phones AM purchased...

JMO. moo

 

[justtrish]

I don't think this will benefit the defense at all. It is not really believable that Alex hired him to kill him (especially since there is no payment for that). I think that man was set up just like every other person in Alex's life. The only person that knew the plan was Alex.

This shows that Alex's go to for getting out of jams is contriving plans. He didn't own up to this until he had no other option at all. Then he has a drug problem and goes to rehab and suddenly wants to come clean about this.

He scammed so many people out of money in his work life.. lied and stole, and it worked for years.

His initial reaction after the boating accident was to be at the hospital trying to talk to all the kids to get their story straight to benefit his son (really to benefit himself and his $$).

So having this come to light only shows even more the true nature of how Alex thinks and operates. He was not concerned with finding the murderer of his wife/son. He was concerned with clearing Paul's name and setting up a scenario that would point to a young person that he could say see the same people that killed my family did this to me.. and then it's assumed he was saying it's the same people seeking revenge of the boat incident.

It's clear as day and the defense attempting to muddy waters by maybe suggesting this man that was "hired" to shoot Alex could have also been the one to shoot Maggie/Paul? Nope doesn't work. It also doesn't work that it's some random drug dealers either because how would they even know where to go, where to find the guns, who would or wouldn't be there.. either way Alex would be involved with any of those scenarios.

 

[Katrinepa]

Who is he talking about getting drugs from? The kennel cleaning neighbor or a housekeeper?

Eddie Smith I think. Not anyone who worked on the property, as far as what's been said thus far.