SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #24

[Cindizzi]

March 2022

Article seems to be paywalled, but there’s a screenshot of a nice wishy washy statement. JMO

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[Warwick7]

Two things, he tossed the phone and didn't learn and tossed the knife.
He disposed of the murder weapons and admitted the gun used in the drive by was stored at his parents home and all now have mysteriously disappeared.
Creature of habit?

I wish I could like this 10 x's!!

 

[Warwick7]

I think he intended to take Eddie out by reason of ‘self defense’. He could then point to Eddie as the killer and the charges against AM would be dropped.

Who knows what he told Eddie to get him out there with the gun but I don’t think Eddie thought AM was going to take him down, or otherwise he wouldn’t have met him out there. After he arrived he may have figured it out though.

AM didn’t care if Eddie was dead or ended up in jail.

Yes! He was going to blame Eddie all along.
When it first happened I just knew there was a killer gunning him down after Paul and Maggie.

That's what I was supposed to think. (Much like M's sister).

But then...pieces of the puzzle started coming together. And not to AM's benefit........

 

[Warwick7]

Why (or how) did he forget he just went to visit his parents Sun. evening and brought his Dad Krispy Kremes? In all the times he mentioned the weekend he never once mentioned it that I heard.

Also, when he talks about what happened that day (that he can recall) he never mentions he learned his Dad was terminal, he talks about motions for the boat case, doing this or that at home before going to the office (of which he really can't recall), but learning your Dad was terminal seems like it would stand out a bit and be memorable.

You are right.

But look at what is of the importance to Alex....

Not the ill Dad.

But the motions for the boat case, the motions for the boat case, the motions for the boat case, the motions for the boat case...

Clearing Paul's name MEANS clearing Murdaugh name....

 

[Cindizzi]

Last October 2022 AM’s Defense team filed Motions that included all kinds of evidence such as blood spatter testing, crime scene analysis and apparently Cousin Eddie’s polygraph results.

Imo it was a strategy to influence public opinion and taint the Jury pool.

Must have worked because this happened:

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Here is the State’s Response and it has some doozies:

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I don’t know if the Motion was ruled on or if this might come up on trial but it’s very interesting and informative reading.
JMO

 

[Luna20]

Randy (sitting with Buster) has the darker hair, John (standing in background) has the lighter hair:
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From:

Mother And Son Killed

Randy Murdaugh talks with his nephew Buster Murdaugh seen with John Marvin Murdaugh and Lynn Murdaugh Goette during the double murder trial of Alex Murdaugh at the Colleton County Courthouse

www.wfmz.com

ETA: From the early in the case tv interview:
Randy on the left, John on the right:
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Brothers of prominent South Carolina family speak out after 2 relatives found dead

John Marvin Murdaugh and Randolph "Randy" Murdaugh IV said they "knew something was wrong" when their other brother called them both late in the night on June 7.

abcnews.go.com

In this latest group photo I get the sense that the Murdaughs always stick together. They would like to put a tidy ribbon around this fiasco by blaming it on an addiction that incurred only by AM suffering immense pain after a necessary surgery.

It’s not easy to take an inflated ego dynasty down. They will stick together to keep their status appearance intact. They have held the power for over a century.

Even in the Sled interview we saw today with the investigator, he was intimidated when AM asked him if he was a suspect. He couldn’t say Yes, he instead mentioned the ‘circle of people’ theory.

 

[Warwick7]

I think Randy is there because the defense team coached the family to make a show of support every day. If he was simply trying to know what was happening, he could watch the trial from the comfort of his home on his own time. The family is there for one reason, and that is to send a message to the jury that they support Alex. That's why they sat right behind him, that's why they make a conspicuous entrance every day. The Murdaughs rule Hampton County, and they do it by reinforcing their power at every chance.

Yet, it was perfectly synchronized when Maggie's sister was finished she walked straight to Buster, he stood up and they grasped a hug. It was awesome!! Don't think any Murdaughs were expecting it...

 

[Warwick7]

I'm still struggling with why Alex killed both of them. Paul is more understandable (if there is such logic). His death had the potential to diffuse the Beach civil case and increase odds of a lower settlement.

But why Maggie? Was he afraid she would divorce him and further dilute his assets not taken in restitution or civil judgement?

I have to admit I can not fully understand why he killed her.... maybe others could enlighten me.

 

[Kembo]

In every interview, AM's standby phrases are "I believe so," "I think," "I'm not sure," etc. but then is quick to agree with the interviewer when the interviewer suggests something plausible that fits the overall story. If AM really had planned his own suicide-murder, he would have recalled every single detail. It had been less than two weeks prior. Ironic that he apologizes to RK, and then proceeds to tell him another lie. RK admits "this doesn't make sense," that ES would quickly agree to murder Alec, his main source of money, without any payoff in return. If AM ever takes the witness stand and promises to tell the whole truth, the Bible he puts his left hand on would burst into flames.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[otto]

I'm still struggling with why Alex killed both of them. Paul is more understandable (if there is such logic). His death had the potential to diffuse the Beach civil case and increase odds of a lower settlement.

But why Maggie? Was he afraid she would divorce him and further dilute his assets not taken in restitution or civil judgement?

Maybe Maggie's death was as simple as eliminating the witness. The shooter lured Paul and Maggie to the Moselle property on June 7, 2021. He'd thought about killing them for along time, according to Alex.

Paul caused Alex a lot of financial grief, and the best way for Alex to minimize present and future grief while ensuring that Paul doesn't suffer time in prison is bloody altercation. Perhaps he couldn't kill Paul and let Maggie know what he did, because she would know it was him, so Alex eliminated Maggies as a witness. Family annihilator?

I couldn't believe what I heard when the names of the dogs were announced. Was one of the dogs named Maggie? Who named the dog?

 

[Kembo]

I have to admit I can not fully understand why he killed her.... maybe others could enlighten me.

I cannot either, but the prosecutors in closing will need to suggest a clear motive so that 12 jurors agree. A clear motive is not necessary for a guilty verdict, but in this circumstantial case, I think it is imperative. Not sure what they will offer, but most likely that AM suddenly snapped that night at the kennels, as he reflected back on those three key events back at the office (finding out his dad was terminal, MT closing in on his financial records, and confrontation by AS). Soon after messing with the dogs, either PM or MM or perhaps both of them say the wrong thing at the wrong time, he snaps for good this time, grabs guns from the side-by-side or golf cart, or who knows where, shoots them, then, suddenly realizing what he's done, thinks on his feet (which he's known for being really good at), and starts creating his alibi as he cleans up, ditches MM's phone, tosses guns temporarily out in the woods, etc. That's as close as I've come, but I realize there's so many holes in that, too, mainly the part about not enough time to hose down, change clothes, dispose of guns, etc. without leaving hardly a trace of water, blood in the suburban or on his clothes. And being so calm in front of Shelley at his mom's house. Anway, rambling on.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Was one of the dogs named Maggie? Who named the dog?

That was Randolph's dog.

 

[Kembo]

Maybe Maggie's death was as simple as eliminating the witness. The shooter lured Paul and Maggie to the Moselle property on June 7, 2021. He'd thought about killing them for along time, according to Alex.

Paul caused Alex a lot of financial grief, and the best way for Alex to minimize present and future grief while ensuring that Paul doesn't suffer time in prison is bloody altercation. Perhaps he couldn't kill Paul and let Maggie know what he did, because she would know it was him, so Alex eliminated Maggies as a witness. Family annihilator?

I couldn't believe what I heard when the names of the dogs were announced. Was one of the dogs named Maggie? Who named the dog?

I believe Maggie was Randolph's dog, the same vain Randolph who insisted on being called "Handsome." Stands to reason he might have named his dog after his son's wife.

 

[mrjitty]

I have to admit I can not fully understand why he killed her.... maybe others could enlighten me.

I think they had got in the way and become an inconvenience.

 

[minusfour]

Why hasn't cousin Eddie produced the gun used at the roadside shooting? There was some sort of forensic bullet evidence that was left behind, wasn't there? this has always puzzled me.

 

[Kembo]

That hose has been bugging me. If the hose was lying on the ground at 8:44, then why would AM bother coiling it after hosing himself off? He would have just left it where it was. Why waste time coiling it? I think that Paul or Maggie must have coiled it kinks and all before AM shot them. Then how did AM clean himself off? He probably did not use that hose at all. I noticed there was another hose across from the kennels that he could have used, or he could have just turned either hose on with it still being coiled to wash his hands off. He then would have taken off his shoes, laid a sheet or towel in the back of the suburban, where he placed his blue shirt, shoes, guns, and MM's phone. He drives to the house, takes off his pants and underwear, showers quickly, leaves the wet towel and pants on the floor, changes into the white shirt, accidentally dropping one just like it on the floor, puts on the shorts, slips on some new shoes, starts to make the fake calls/texts to Maggie with the phone he had accidentally left in the house, drives to Almeda, ditches MM's phone, quickly hides the guns, shoes, shirts before Shelley knows his car is there, parks out front, visits mom for 20 minutes, speeds back to Moselle, and calls 911. This fits my "he snapped" theory, which I think is the most plausible one. I believe he really loved his family and could not have planned this. It was much too brutal. Something set him off with the combination of events that day and something PM or MM must have said at the wrong time and place that was his last straw. Problem is if he snapped, he wouldn't have had time to go get guns from the house, so (I know it's a stretch) it is possible Paul might have had them in the side by side that PM and MM took to the kennels. Paul would have convinced Maggie to ride with him. After AM came to his senses after the murders, he quickly took action to cover it up. AM was good at thinking on his feet and, as we all know, lying. I know there's a lot of what ifs in this theory also, such as the ditching of the phone at the same time as the suburban starting up, and the time it would have taken AM to do all those things, but 16 minutes is longer than you think. I wonder if any agent recreated the time it would have taken AM to do all those things, or have I just watched too many Columbo episodes?

 

[Kembo]

I know this is way, way, way out there, but this is in response to those who have suggested that it couldn't have been AM since the 3 of them were having such a good time together messing around with the dogs just 6 minutes before MM and PM were murdered. But which suggestive words and phrases were used during their conversations at the kennels that could have subconsciously caused AM, already in a highly vulnerable state, to snap or to give him suggestions about murder? How about, "What's wrong with Cash?" "There's a problem with Cash." Cash was Rogan's dog that PM had just videotaped. What immediate problem did AM have? Yep, a cash problem. At the same time, Bubba was trying to kill a bird. This could have suggested to AM an opportunity to kill two "birds" that could immediately solve that one problem. Those suggestive conversations, coupled with three life-altering events just hours prior? Told you it was way, way, way out there.

 

[Cindizzi]

I believe Maggie was Randolph's dog, the same vain Randolph who insisted on being called "Handsome." Stands to reason he might have named his dog after his son's wife.

Not taking up for the man, but locals have reported that RM got his nickname when he was asked what he wanted his grandkids to call him he replied “ Well, no one’s ever called me handsome.”

Sounds like self deprecating joke knowing he was anything but handsome. JMO

Growing up in the South, it kinda rings true to me.

I always heard “ what should I call you?”
Answer: “ anything but late for dinner .”

My whole entire life I’ve heard that tired joke. Lol

JMO