GUILTY SC - Shooting reported at Townville Elementary, Jacob Hall, 6, killed, Sept 2016

[CARIIS]

I'd rather focus on addressing why the kid has a desire to kill/hurt others. We can lock up everything in sight, but if the kid still has rage, what have we solved?

For the record, I don't like guns. I hate them! But I think the heart of the issue is not guns. And the solution isn't a lock on a gun cabinet (though, of course, I think it's wise to lock up guns).

Why are we raising kids who hate life??? That's the scary question.

I think the internet is huge here

 

[Fairy1]

Was pointing out hypocrisy and a double standard, but will remain on this case now.

What hypocrisy and double standard? I don't understand...

 

[i.b.nora]

Yes it freaks me out and the look in his eyes is .....................................

Were adults ----- I think dad did more than beat him .......................................

sorry..............

Yup, I agree.

 

[K_Z]

Quick questions:
Who was in charge of homeschooling him for the most part?
Was his father employed?

Here's some info:

His father was also disclosed to be a convicted criminal. In April 1991, Osborne snr was convicted of a marijuana offense after a court bench trial at South Carolina.

More than four years later, in December 1995, the murdered father was found guilty of ‘criminal domestic violence’.

The following year in March, he was convicted of property damage.

He had also been declared bankrupt with three separate companies filing liens against him dating back to 2005, but he had been carrying on with a poultry farming business up to his death.

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[CARIIS]

I believe they are in every room.

The power packed in those things, one would be enough, but bring on 2 or 3 at the same time! It would take brave souls but I have no doubt there are adults in those buildings willing to do that for those children. Every school shooting seems to have those people who either died protecting or put their life on the line to try to protect.

This is not like a constant thing. Wildly active dreamer, and yeh happens after a mass shooting. Dream - in grocery store, thanx to the news nodays, I would know what gunfire sounds like . TY

and the shots are closer .........................then i pick up stuff off the shelf .................and toss it far as i can so the shooter goes in that direction .......................i do yell ...this way............usually to the back of the store but yell follow me ....

i know sounds like a paranoid nut its just sometimes i do dream about being "in" the area when it starts and what I think I would do

I still have the pot (not inhalable) by my bed , its so ugly - hate it - but have not moved it! Sad. And yes, I shall confess, only a couple of times, where I saw someone where I noticed I was looking at their pockets to see if I saw something that looks like a bmb

its not like this fear - but their is somewhat of a awareness ....

Pulse had profound impact on me, not in that context tho. Will get it wrong - poster Lascuer or like that , in NY , the bombers..................from Pulse I truly realzed how different it is to be on here - when it IS your city. Certainly have to throw in sexual orientation, but the night before with the Plaza and Voice singer, it was the same

Deep in my heart I was upset when I came back from memorial and all my pics were blurry - i so wanted to share them with you guys.

The person that lived the Joey Labute , that went out to the park and took pictures (Blondie did it Rita thread) it is so different when it is a psoters pictures Labute he/she posted the trail gave me the creeps

Happened in a place I have been in it changes it

 

[K_Z]

OH Human this is awful, I learn so much from you all. Was not born for the dive under your desk for the nuclear bomb, and long out of college for the active shooter stuff..

Like 9 months ago , I went on YOu Tube realizing I really dont have an idea what a "active shooter drill" is . It was traumatic, all I could think while watching it was god these are young people, and there trhowing desks at the door, killing lights bla bla

pathetic

Thankfully, the training paid off in this case. The school was secured and locked down-- JO was not going to get inside. Instead, he fired on kids and teachers on the playground.

It's remarkable that this teen was taken alive, IMO, and that more lives weren't lost.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yup, I agree.

That's why I was wondering about his employment and the homeschooling. If he wasn't employed and/or was in charge of his son's homeschooling that means they spent a lot of time together.

 

[K_Z]

Is the core message RUN???

Run if you can, hide and keep quiet if you can't run. Fight if you can.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/run-hide-fight-11-tips-survive-shooting/story?id=18990573

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...shooting-like-orlando/?utm_term=.e2837059aa04

 

[1&2&3]

The school I am familiar with has detectors at the main doors, special glass in the windows, and double doors back to the class room wings which are locked. The office door is locked and one must be buzzed in. The PTO worked very hard to make the money to upgrade this school. The other schools in my metro city have nothing that compares to this.

This school is in the county, the top elementary school, with high middle to upper class families.

Of course, there is still the playground, the school bus line, and the car rider pick up area where the children cannot be protected. It use to be we felt safe when our children were at school. These days, not so much.

 

[K_Z]

The school I am familiar with has detectors at the main doors, special glass in the windows, and double doors back to the class room wings which are locked. The office door is locked and one must be buzzed in. The PTO worked very hard to make the money to upgrade this school. The other schools in my metro city have nothing that compares to this.

This school is in the county, the top elementary school, with high middle to upper class families.

In my area, most public school systems are upgrading their entrance doors and security features, and this is done thru the property tax levy. I think there is a mandate from the state to begin upgrades to entrances and security.

In older buildings, some have had to build bump outs to accommodate the new security upgrades, buzzer systems, etc. One building designed with the office on the far side of a commons area in our district has had to do a massive and expensive re-design to get the office in front of the commons area. Since Columbine, all the new buildings incorporate these new features, but it's quite expensive to retro-fit them into older buildings.

The elementary schools in our district forbid parents from walking students into the building in the morning without explicit prior permission from the principal, and there are a bunch of limits on that, too. That time of day has been identified as risky, due to all the commotion and open doors. Parents are not permitted inside or to the office area until after the bell and the building has been secured. So you can't help your child carry in a project, for example. They also don't want parents distracting teachers or talking to them during the morning rush. The focus is getting kids inside quickly, and secured in their classrooms, and the building doors locked. Outside study groups, and outside class time during good weather has been permanently cancelled, as well, unless it's inside a secure interior courtyard. No groups in the grass on the grounds. And this is in a very safe, middle class suburban area.

And they used to do walking field trips to some areas within a few blocks of the schools-- but no more. All field trip transportation has to be by bus, and it's too expensive to bus kids a few blocks. So they just stopped allowing those walking field trip experiences.

It's very sad that it has come to this, but here we are.

 

[Jax49]

Apologies if this was already posted.

http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/watch-live-vigil-for-school-shooting-victim-jacob-hall

“Jacob was shot in the leg. The bullet hit his femoral artery, causing massive blood loss, which led to cardiopulmonary arrest. He has undergone surgery and a number of procedures to try to stabilize his condition. He remains in critical condition.” – Dr. Keith Webb, Greenville Health System Children’s Hospital

 

[Dogface]

Statement from his Uncle:

"He is a very sweet little boy who is fighting for his life," said Jacob's uncle, Johnny Bridges in a earlier Thursday evening press conference, "Due to the massive blood loss, he has sustained a major brain aneurysm. Jacob is in very critical condition, and we are hanging on every second. Please continue to pray for Jacob and the other victims of this horrible, senseless crime."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wyff4.relaymedia.com/amp/news/update-expected-on-6yearold-shot-at-townville-elementary/41879826?client=safari

Poor baby. No one, especially a child should be going through this.

 

[human]

As a teacher, I have been enraged for years that we had to do this drill six tmes a year. The kindergarten teacher told her students that we were doing this insanity because a deer might run into the school. What do you think teachers tell children?

I have to stop now because I am furious as well as have me heart ripped out for that little six year old cutie.

I live n a country where machete are in barrels in every store. There have been two machete deaths over the 15 years that I know of. Both were domestic violence. No guns allowed.

 

[Tawny]

Was pointing out hypocrisy and a double standard, but will remain on this case now.

Oh no worries, there's a lot of that running around

 

[monster12]

As a teacher, I have been enraged for years that we had to do this drill six tmes a year. The kindergarten teacher told her students that we were doing this insanity because a deer might run into the school. What do you think teachers tell children?

I have to stop now because I am furious as well as have me heart ripped out for that little six year old cutie.

I live n a country where machete are in barrels in every store. There have been two machete deaths over the 15 years that I know of. Both were domestic violence. No guns allowed.

I've done them mostly in upper elementary and middle school and most think it's a joke and just a way to get out of work. Once we were on lockdown Bc of a parent and three boys just sat laughing and being completely ridiculous. There was nothing to do Bc we couldn't call the office or take them down and then unfortunately no consequences were given to them either by admin.

I've never had fire extinguishers in any of my classrooms. They are always located at random spots within the hallway. Some schools don't even allow hand sanitizer to be out because he kids are playing in it and snorting it!!?!? I could sit here all day and talk about what I've seen in schools and blah blah. Unfortunately it will take teachers risking themselves for the students and being brave enough to face these monsters with little to no form of weapon or defense since in a normal circumstance or school day it could pose a threat to others if a child within the room got a hold of it. Can't win.


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[Dogface]

I do hope the brutal, honest truth about what his home life was like in light of the record that surfaced on the deceased father. One aspect that always baffles me about when these mass shooters who were bullied happen is the stark differences that emerge between children who are bullied. Most people who are bullied grow into extraordinarily compassionate people. Is the difference in having a soft place to land at home when bullied at school? Is it a combination of being bullied at school and a household where there is abuse?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I actually thought it was a low blow for the media to list cases that happened over 20 years ago way before this teen was even born. People can and often change but yet they are always unjustly judged by many on acts they did decades ago even if their record has been clean for many years.

But making excuses for the killer has become quite commonplace in our society now.

I still believe he killed his father because he knew 1) He would never let him leave his home with a firearm 2) If he did not murder his father he wouldn't have any transportation to get to the school three miles away to carryout his mass shooting plan. The father sure wasn't going to let his 14 year old teen leave in his truck and that is why the shooter killed him. It removed two obstacles he would have had if the father was alive. It gave him the opportunity to go to the school not only with a illegally obtained firearm it gave him total access to his only mode of transportation to get there................the truck.

 

[Tawny]

So the media shouldn't be posting arrest/criminal records that may/may not be relevant to the events of today?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So the media shouldn't be posting arrest/criminal records that may/may not be relevant to the events of today?

Imo, no they shouldn't. They should wait to hear the facts instead to see if any of these 20+ year old cases are even relevant. Now if these were current charges or even charges he had after the teen was born I could see the relevancy.

I think he was highly upset having to shoot his father and that is why he called his grandmother all upset and crying. We will have to wait for the facts but the father may have even tried to stop him for taking the weapon and if he didn't know he had a weapon he would certainly have stopped him from taking his truck. This happened during the day so I think its likely his father was up. Maybe out on the property doing some type of work and may have walked back up to the house and found his son with the firearm. His dad very likely could have tried to stop him but his dad would not be able to stop a bullet when he fired it to prevent him from stopping him.

 

[Dogface]

So the media shouldn't be posting arrest/criminal records that may/may not be relevant to the events of today?

Personally I like seeing the records, as it fills in puzzle pieces. Now, we don't know what those individual pieces do to complete the puzzle yet. In this case, since they are older, I'm not sure it's fair to assume he was the same person. He could be, or perhaps he wasn't. Maybe his troubles when he was younger made him be a really strict parent...we don't know yet, but with every case I like knowing as much as possible. Just like a puzzle each piece is important to completing the picture.