GUILTY SC - Shooting reported at Townville Elementary, Jacob Hall, 6, killed, Sept 2016

[oceanblueeyes]

We see old criminal things including traffic tickets in many cases on here. Funny how those have always been relevant

What cases are those human? Traffic tickets? Were the current cases involving some type of traffic violation or a violation that happened on a public street/interstate or highway? How were the relevant to the cases you are mentioning? That's the only way I can see them being relevant if the case showed some kind of consistent same like pattern to the current case. Like a road rage case that ended in murder then I do think it would be relevant if the offender had a long traffic history of violations like reckless driving,DUI, speeding or being at fault during accidents or even getting into a confrontation with another driver in the past.

 

[x_files]

It's sad Jesse may have been bullied.

Still makes me angry he targeted FIRST graders !
Others have been bullied and had difficult home lives, yet they haven't gone on a murderous shooting spree !

I highly suggest home schooling.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am trying to recall any other case involving a mass shooter where any of their murdered or injured victims' past traffic/criminal/financial history were revealed. At the moment I cant think of any or even why that would have any relevancy. The police have already said the two different shooting locations are connected so he will be statistically linked to all four victims he shot and will be added to the mass shooter list.

 

[bluesneakers]

What cases are those human? Traffic tickets? Were the current cases involving some type of traffic violation or a violation that happened on a public street/interstate or highway? How were the relevant to the cases you are mentioning? That's the only way I can see them being relevant if the case showed some kind of consistent same like pattern to the current case. Like a road rage case that ended in murder then I do think it would be relevant if the offender had a long traffic history of violations like reckless driving,DUI, speeding or being at fault during accidents or even getting into a confrontation with another driver in the past.

We see those sorts of facts all the time and people claim they are. Most of the time I agree - like in this case - but sometimes they are thrown out in an attempt to justify what happened to a victim.

Eta first reply didn't make sense. Sorry.

 

[bluesneakers]

Just a suggestion - we should use names or initials (or simply victim or shooter) when discussing the shooting to prevent confusing who's who.

 

[bluesneakers]

So the media shouldn't be posting arrest/criminal records that may/may not be relevant to the events of today?

The father is a victim and shouldn't be blamed for what happened to him - I've seen nothing to suggest this was self defense - but whatever facts available to us can help us understand the shooter's history and relationship with his father and mother.

JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

S.C. School Shooting Suspect, 14, Charged as Juvenile after Allegedly Killing Father and Wounding Three

The teen was charged with three counts of attempted murder on Friday in connection with the shooting, which left two students and a teacher injured at Townville Elementary School. He is also charged with one count of murder in the death of his father, 47-year-old Jeffrey Osborne.

The suspect waived his right to a probable cause hearing, which the judge approved, and will remain in a detention center for the time being, court officials tell PEOPLE.

He has not entered a plea.

 

[K_Z]

My interpretation of the wording in the articles about the charges is that the juvenile charges are preliminary charges, so he could be held in detention, with the final decision on juvenile versus adult charges to be made later. He could still be facing adult charges. And if little Jacob dies, which sadly seems likely, the charges will be upgraded again.

Jesse Osborne is charged as a juvenile with one count of murder and three counts of attempted murder. It will be up to the solicitor to determine if he will be tried as a juvenile or an adult.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/teen-susp...e-elementary-expected-to-be-in-court/41894420

A 14-year-old has been charged with four counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder after an elementary school shooting that took place in South Carolina. The suspect is named Jesse Osborne, 14.

3. Osborne Could Be Tried as an Adult

In a hearing on September 30, Osborne was charged with one count of murder and three counts of attempted murder. So far he is being charged as a juvenile, although that could change at a later date. Mike Ellis of the Independent Mail, who was present in the courtroom, said that Osborne’s “family members” were in the courtroom and were “dabbing their eyes.”

According to South Carolina law, minors are deemed as someone under the age of 15. Anybody 16 years or older is considered an adult. Jesse Osborne is 14. Sheriff Skipper says that Osborne will appear at a Family County detention hearing on September 30.

In some cases, someone 15 or younger may be tried as an adult. In such situations, a prosecutor makes this recommendation, and a judge decides what to do.

The judge takes into account various factors such as the defendant’s school records, behavior at home, prior offenses and the seriousness of the current charge.

Osborne, who is being represented by attorney Frank Eppes, is not allowed to be interviewed without a lawyer present, a judge ruled today. The warrants in the case were also sealed by a judge.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/jesse...ting-suspect-meghan-hollingsworth-jacob-hall/

BBM

I also read that he just turned 14 three weeks ago.

Am I correct that if he is charged as a juvenile, the most he can be sentenced to serve is until age 21 (or, 7 years)?

Does anyone know?

 

[K_Z]

Updates on little Jacob continue to be grim. No good news is coming out for this little one. I think the hypoxic brain injury is pretty severe.

GREENVILLE, S.C. —Family members and hospital officials continue to give updates on the condition of Jacob Hall, the 6-year-old shot at Townville Elementary.

As of late Friday afternoon, Jacob remained in critical condition.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/update-expected-on-6yearold-shot-at-townville-elementary/41879826

He said Jacob went through surgery and other procedures as doctors tried to stabilize his condition, but he remains critical.

Jacob’s family is praying for a miracle.

Family members said Jacob is too weak to go through another surgery and that he hasn’t woken up since he was flown to the hospital.

“As long as his heart is beating, we got hope,” said Jacob’s great-aunt, Rebecca Hunnicutt.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/-As-long-...-aunt-of-school-shooting-victim-says/41890956

 

[K_Z]

This article gives more details on what happened during the shooting rampage:

Authorities say the teen, who hasn’t been identified because of his age, shot his father, 47-year-old Jeffrey Osborne, at their home before driving the pickup 3 miles down a country road lined with chicken houses and pine trees to Townville Elementary. He only had to make two turns to arrive at the red brick school, where he crashed the truck, got out and fired at a door as it was being opened for recess, authorities said.

Bullets struck two students and a first-grade teacher, and the building was immediately placed on lockdown.

Anderson 4 Superintendent Joanne Avery said staff saved lives by flawlessly implementing active-shooter training drills conducted with students over the past few years - at Townville Elementary, most recently just last week.

Though shot in the shoulder, the teacher “was with-it enough” to close the door, lock it and barricade the students, Avery said.

“If he’d gotten in the school, it would’ve been a different scenario,” she said.

The shooter then fired toward students on the playground but missed. A teacher who heard the first gunshot was able to get those students safely inside, Avery said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-hall-south-carolina-school-shooting-victim-life-support-family/

BBM

I did not know the door was just opening for another group to go out for recess-- that is an amazing detail. Those teachers are complete heroes, the one who barricaded the door so quickly, and the one/s on the playground. They saved so many kids that day. What a terrifying, harrowing situation, and they performed so well under such pressure. They are heroes.

 

[human]

Updates on little Jacob continue to be grim. No good news is coming out for this little one. I think the hypoxic brain injury is pretty severe.



http://www.wyff4.com/news/update-expected-on-6yearold-shot-at-townville-elementary/41879826



http://www.wyff4.com/news/-As-long-...-aunt-of-school-shooting-victim-says/41890956

Those pictures of him break my heart. Laughing, smiling. Ugh

 

[monster12]

This article gives more details on what happened during the shooting rampage:



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-hall-south-carolina-school-shooting-victim-life-support-family/

BBM

I did not know the door was just opening for another group to go out for recess-- that is an amazing detail. Those teachers are complete heroes, the one who barricaded the door so quickly, and the one/s on the playground. They saved so many kids that day. What a terrifying, harrowing situation, and they performed so well under such pressure. They are heroes.

I agree. Always having to act so much on their feet and make sudden decisions. It's upsetting that teachers, as I am one myself, seem to only be praised during situations as this. I hope that comes off in the right sense ... meaning there always seems to be so much negativity towards teachers and education lately.


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[human]

I was referring to the students not taking not it seriously and getting out of doing work the older they get , not the teachers. But I'm going to stereotype here and say it was probably just the type of students I had because they don't seem to care much for listening to authority.


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Could be cuz they are scared and covering up their fear by being obnoxious. Kids that age know it can happen

 

[human]

I agree. Always having to act so much on their feet and make sudden decisions. It's upsetting that teachers, as I am one myself, seem to only be praised during situations as this. I hope that comes off in the right sense ... meaning there always seems to be so much negativity towards teachers and education lately.


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I forget how many decisions teachers have to make per minute. We have to look for the good in every student. And we have to be everything. Social worker, psychologist, etc etc etc.

 

[Indy Anna]

My interpretation of the wording in the articles about the charges is that the juvenile charges are preliminary charges, so he could be held in detention, with the final decision on juvenile versus adult charges to be made later. He could still be facing adult charges. And if little Jacob dies, which sadly seems likely, the charges will be upgraded again.



http://www.wyff4.com/news/teen-susp...e-elementary-expected-to-be-in-court/41894420



http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/jesse...ting-suspect-meghan-hollingsworth-jacob-hall/

BBM

I also read that he just turned 14 three weeks ago.

Am I correct that if he is charged as a juvenile, the most he can be sentenced to serve is until age 21 (or, 7 years)?

Does anyone know?

Don't know if this helps:

A family court judge has the authority to waive: (1) a child of any age
charged with murder; (2) a child 16 or older charged with any criminal
offense (not status offense), after full investigation; (3) a 14 or 15 year old
charged with an offense which, if committed by an adult, would carry a
maximum term of imprisonment of 15 years or more, after full investigation
and a hearing; and (4) a child 14 or older charged with carrying a weapon
on school property, unlawful carrying of a handgun, assault and battery of
a high and aggravated nature, or unlawful distribution of drugs within a
half-mile of a school, after full investigation and a hearing. A family court
judge is required to waive a child 14 or older charged with an offense
which, “if committed by an adult, provides for a term of imprisonment of
ten years or more, if the child has previously been adjudicated…or
convicted…of committing two prior offenses which, if committed by an
adult, provide for a term of imprisonment of ten years or more, and the
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second offense was committed after the sentence for the first offense was
imposed.” S.C. Code Ann. § 63-19-1210 (2008).

[...]

The U.S. Supreme Court has identified eight factors that may be
considered by the judge when deciding whether or not to waive the child
to adult court. The eight factors are: (1) the seriousness of the alleged
offense and whether waiver is necessary to protect the community; (2)
whether the offense was committed in an aggressive, violent,
premeditated, or willful manner; (3) whether the alleged offense was
against persons or property; (4) whether there is sufficient evidence for a
Grand Jury to return an indictment; (5) the desirability of trial and
disposition of the entire case in one court when the child’s co-defendants
in the alleged offense are adults; (6) the level of sophistication and
maturity of the child; (7) the child’s record and previous criminal or
adjudicative history; and (8) the prospects for adequate protection of the
public and the likelihood of reasonable rehabilitation of the child by the use
of services currently available to the court. Kent v. United States, 383
U.S. 541 (1966).

http://childlaw.sc.edu/frmPublications/2010 Juvenile Defense Manual.pdf


Sounds like the judge may be required to waive him to adult court unless he is found mentally incompetent to stand trial? Am I reading that correctly?

 

[Indy Anna]

I forget how many decisions teachers have to make per minute. We have to look for the good in every student. And we have to be everything. Social worker, psychologist, etc etc etc.

This is an interesting article in the WAPO today:

The 14-year-old boy arrived at Sycamore Middle School Wednesday morning ready to carry out a deadly plan.

But there was one person he knew could talk him out of it, according to police. So after his first-period class at the school in Ashland, Tenn., he went to see her.

[...]

Just hours later, on Wednesday afternoon, a different 14-year-old boy in South Carolina would open fire on an elementary school playground, injuring two children and an adult.

But Sycamore Middle School avoided such tragedy. After a 45-minute conversation in her office, Hudgens persuaded the teen to give up his gun, Cheatham County Sheriff Mike Breedlove said Wednesday.

Read more at ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...talked-him-out-of-killing-teachers-and-a-cop/

 

[K_Z]

Yes, Indy Anna, I think your interpretation is correct. He seems to meet almost every criteria to waive him into adult court, including the previous "hatchet" attack.

I think that ultimately he will face charges as an "adult", which I think is appropriate for the overall circumstances. However, IIRC, even if charged and convicted as an adult, he is still eligible for some special "handling and housing" in adult prison. Juveniles are often housed separately from adults, and they have more structure to their day-- such as mandatory school time, counselors, etc.

Some info:

http://eji.org/children-prison

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-rehabilitate/in-prison-teenagers-become-prey

 

[human]

What do you do with a kid like Jesse. It seems like he should remain behind bars forever. Tragic

 

[Indy Anna]

What do you do with a kid like Jesse. It seems like he should remain behind bars forever. Tragic

Looks like the mandatory minimum term for murder in SC is 30 years to life. I couldn't find any special provisions for minors. He could be out in 30 years, depending on mitigating circumstances.


SECTION 16-3-20. Punishment for murder; separate sentencing proceeding when death penalty sought.

(A) A person who is convicted of or pleads guilty to murder must be punished by death, or by a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment for thirty years to life. If the State seeks the death penalty and a statutory aggravating circumstance is found beyond a reasonable doubt pursuant to subsections (B) and (C), and a recommendation of death is not made, the trial judge must impose a sentence of life imprisonment. For purposes of this section, "life" or "life imprisonment" means until death of the offender without the possibility of parole, and when requested by the State or the defendant, the judge must charge the jury in his instructions that life imprisonment means until the death of the defendant without the possibility of parole. In cases where the defendant is eligible for parole, the judge must charge the applicable parole eligibility statute. No person sentenced to life imprisonment pursuant to this section is eligible for parole, community supervision, or any early release program, nor is the person eligible to receive any work credits, education credits, good conduct credits, or any other credits that would reduce the mandatory life imprisonment required by this section. No person sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment for thirty years to life pursuant to this section is eligible for parole or any early release program, nor is the person eligible to receive any work credits, education credits, good conduct credits, or any other credits that would reduce the mandatory minimum term of imprisonment for thirty years to life required by this section.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c003.php

 

[K_Z]

Multiple 911 calls that were placed on the day of the shooting were initially expected to be made public Friday. The release of such calls, or the decision not to release them, generally comes after a consultation between the Sheriff's Office and the Solicitor's Office.

Lt. Sheila Cole of the Sheriff's Office said late Friday that those calls were still being reviewed. The earliest they could be made public is next week, officials said.

Classes will resume at Townville Elementary School on Thursday, Anderson School District 4 Superintendent Joanne Avery announced Friday.

Osborne, 14, stood next to his lawyer, Frank Eppes of Greenville, and said nothing during the brief detention hearing. He wore a yellow jumpsuit with a large "J" on the back. As a minor, he is housed separately with other detained juveniles.

The Friday hearing did not address the issue of whether prosecutors will attempt to try the teen as an adult, and no details of what happened before or during the shootings were disclosed. Assistant Solicitor Stephanie Looper said the teen's name in court, and Eppes confirmed afterward that Jesse Osborne is his client.

Eppes said another hearing in the case is expected sometime in the next 40 days.

http://www.independentmail.com/stor...ng-townville-shooting-suspect-begin/91315520/

Video of the detention hearing at the link. Brief-- less than 10 min. Some still pics of family at link also.