GUILTY SC - Shooting reported at Townville Elementary, Jacob Hall, 6, killed, Sept 2016

  • #261
Update on Jacob just posted:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ar-old-victim-s-family-will-n657726?cid=sm_fb

SEP 30 2016, 10:04 PM ET
Townville School Shooting: 6-Year-Old Victim's Family Will 'Never Give Up'

Jacob, who is currently on life support, lost 75 percent of his blood from a bullet that pierced his femoral artery, the boy's older brothers, Rodger Dale Hall and Gerald Gambroll, said. Still their family has not given up hope that the young boy will bounce back and wake up.

Both brothers were at work when they found out the news. Gambroll said he broke down after hearing his mother describe what happened to Jacob. His boss agreed to drive him to the hospital. Hall said news of the shooting came up on the radio as he rushed to meet up with the rest of the family. He added that he couldn't believe that when the radio hosts asked listeners to pray for the family of the victims, it meant they were talking about him.

Description of the brothers' reactions brings tears to my eyes. Jacob's brothers must be quite a bit older than he is. Such a tragedy.
 
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He will be tried as an adult I bet.

So sad.
 
  • #265
Awww, man. :(

Horrible day today for his family and friends.

Rest gently and fly with the angels, young Jacob !
 
  • #266
Just saw the news. My heart breaks for his family. :(
 
  • #267
Such a cute little guy.....I'm so sorry Jacob. RIP
 
  • #268
Oh no. Please no :tears:
 
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  • #270
I just read the news about little Jacob. Forever an angel in Heaven. RIP to the shooter's father as well.
 
  • #271
The teenage shooter should be charged as an adult. Otherwise, he will likely spend a little time in juvie rehab and be out by age 18. :moo:
 
  • #272
He will be tried as an adult I bet.

So sad.

I hope he is charged as and adult and gets maximum sentence without parole.
 
  • #273
Jesse Osborne now has four "special circumstances" that affect his charges.

He is too young to be eligible for the death penalty, but I do think that the special circumstances of the (now 2) murders he committed indicate he will face charges as an adult. At a minimum, he will be an old man if he is ever released, IMO. His life, as he knew it and anticipated it, is completely over. I think the charges will be upgraded immediately next week, and a decision about "adult vs juvenile" charges will come even sooner than the 40 days his attorney outlined last week.

(C) The judge shall consider, or he shall include in his instructions to the jury for it to consider, mitigating circumstances otherwise authorized or allowed by law and the following statutory aggravating and mitigating circumstances which may be supported by the evidence:

(3) The offender by his act of murder knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person in a public place by means of a weapon or device which normally would be hazardous to the lives of more than one person.

8) The murder of a family member of an official listed in subitems (5) and (7) above with the intent to impede or retaliate against the official. "Family member" means a spouse, parent, brother, sister, child, or person to whom the official stands in the place of a parent or a person living in the official's household and related to him by blood or marriage.

(9) Two or more persons were murdered by the defendant by one act or pursuant to one scheme or course of conduct.

(10) The murder of a child eleven years of age or under.

Mitigating:

(2) The murder was committed while the defendant was under the influence of mental or emotional disturbance.

(7) The age or mentality of the defendant at the time of the crime.

(9) The defendant was below the age of eighteen at the time of the crime.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c003.php

SC guidelines for juveniles charges with crimes:

https://www.scbar.org/public/files/docs/familycourt.pdf

The U.S. Supreme Court has identifi ed eight factors that may be considered by the judge
when deciding whether or not to waive the child to adult court. The eight factors are: (1) the
seriousness of the alleged offense and whether waiver is necessary to protect the community;
(2) whether the offense was committed in an aggressive, violent, premeditated, or willful
manner; (3) whether the alleged offense was against persons or property; (4) whether
there is suffi cient evidence for a Grand Jury to return an indictment; (5) the desirability
of trial and disposition of the entire case in one court when the child’s co-defendants in
the allegedoffense are adults; (6) the level of sophistication and maturity of the child;
(7) the child’s record and previous criminal or adjudicative history; and (8) the prospects
for adequate protection of the public and the likelihood of reasonable rehabilitation of the
child by the use of services currently available to the court. Kent v. United States, 383 U.S.
541 (1966).
 
  • #274
Thanks for the info., K_Z !

For me, the fact he targeted small kids who he didn't even know makes me think he is broken beyond repair, and should never be released.
I wouldn't want JO living next to my family even if he were to be let out when he's in his 40's or beyond that age.
:moo:
 
  • #275
The prospect of even 50+ years in prison means that JO would be in his 60s, at a minimum, I suppose. If he got "only" 2 consecutive 30 year sentences alone he would be 74-- and that doesn't include the attempted murder charges.

He will have no substantial education, no job sills, no practical knowledge of living in society, no substantial friendships or relationships, no children, and his immediate family will be dead by then. IMO, he should serve life with no possibility of release. I don't think it's possible to rehabilitate and adequately prepare an old man for release from a lifetime in prison for double murder. I think it's more humane to charge him as an adult, recommend consecutive sentences, and just plan for his entire life in prison without the possibility of release. At least then he, and everyone else, would know what the "plan" was, and could make some kind of peace with what has happened going forward. IMO, the sooner the court proceedings are concluded, the sooner he can start to settle into his new life in prison. That's the absolute best we can do in this kind of situation, IMO. I'm sure there are folks that think he should be treated as a juvenile in family court, but I think these circumstances are simply too egregious for that.

I do expect his attorney to try for a "mental defect" defense, though I don't expect it to be successful. There is just too much evidence that he knew right from wrong, and premeditated. That's the job of the attorney, though, to try everything.

I feel so bad for Jacob's family, and what they are going through, and the teacher who was injured, too. And JO's mom and grandparents. I simply can't imagine their pain and anguish. There was a story up earlier on the national news about the mother of the man who killed the Amish school children, and how the Amish and the killer's mother have blended their lives in the aftermath of the tragedy. I don't know if I could do what each of them have done, but it does seem to be a healing experience for all of them. I think of the parents of Arcan Cetin, too, and their pain, and other families of killers. These acts of murder cause so much pain, for so many decades. It never ends.

Here is the story about the Amish killer's mom, for any interested.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/national/article105397766.html
 
  • #276
Heartbreaking! R.I.P. Jacob. Gone way too soon! I am so sorry, little one.
 
  • #277
I wanna be careful here - however IMO, there is a societial issue here. Again. Little homsapians dont tend to desire to hack peers in half.

In so many of these things, afterwards the rumblings are what did we miss.

In this case the systems response was to throw a disturbed young mind out, to be alone with abusive parenting Go away.

What did the "system" think was gonna happen? Desiring to hack people up is a pretty clear indicator that we have one dangerous mini person amungst us>

What the answer is is money - that aint gonna happen, but I dont really understand the shock - last years behaviors were a pretty clear "heads up" no?

Do we have any urther info on dad?
 
  • #278
I wanna be careful here - however IMO, there is a societial issue here. Again. Little homsapians dont tend to desire to hack peers in half.

In so many of these things, afterwards the rumblings are what did we miss.

In this case the systems response was to throw a disturbed young mind out, to be alone with abusive parenting Go away.

What did the "system" think was gonna happen? Desiring to hack people up is a pretty clear indicator that we have one dangerous mini person amungst us>

What the answer is is money - that aint gonna happen, but I dont really understand the shock - last years behaviors were a pretty clear "heads up" no?

Do we have any urther info on dad?

That's what I think. That's when someone dropped the ball.
 
  • #279
Oh no....how awful....how could you live with yourself knowing you murdered this little guy?
 
  • #280
Oh no....how awful....how could you live with yourself knowing you murdered this little guy?

What is happening in our society that a 14 yr old kills his father and randomly kills an innocent child? I want to scream.
 

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