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Just awful to release those. Clearly she WAS on camera. Someone's camera. jmo

Is this a suggestion that "your stalker" (theory) followed SG back to NYC? I have to know the answer here.
 
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FBI back again

Something is concerning the Sheriffs/Feds in Nancy's neighborhood

Even with the helicopter reportedly being fitted with a small device known as a "signal sniffer", described as "sophisticated FBI technology" to help pick up her pacemaker's signal.

Which was flying low to the ground around her area

They must still think she is somewhere there

Could a neighbor be involved?

Could she be in a Neighbor's basement?

She still has not been found


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Wonder what the FBI are asking the neighbors. There must have gotten something confirmed that either NG is in the neighborhood or the perp may live in the neighborhood. Or ? JMO
 
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Are we sure it is totally unrelated? He was tracked driving through Arizona. And he looks very similar to the potential suspect. imo

maybe he killed them for a reason other than just DV over family issues..interesting even if nothing. mOO
 
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I agree, they must have some “ smarts” to pull this off so far. Maybe Academic with a Double Life

1. Academic focus.
Some academics are content to mainly associate with other academics, lazar focused, posting technical papers, expert speaker in field. Maybe even functional autism ( formerly Asperger’s). I used to live in CA Bay Area, full of these people in tech. Yes, many are diagnosed.

2. Academic plus wholesome outside activities
Others may enjoy other activities outside of academia, such as being in a band, volunteering at homeless shelter, creating artwork, lots of interests that put them in contact with non academics.
Over time, they create outside interests, they like mixing with different types.

3. Double Life. Academic with a Dark Side
Then there may be Other academics, who may enjoy the dichotomy of being a lofty high achieving academic, with impeccable credentials, great image, and ALSO,

Living a Double Life, with sneaky interest in planning a crime, maybe a private porn addiction, lots of affairs, maybe some occasional substance abuse, dark side they keep well hidden. They visit TOR and dark web places for ideas.

Besides academia, they enjoy night life, bars, street life, anonymous street “ friends”. They pick up on street techniques and thinking. They think it may be clever to commit a crime, get away with it.
They try peeping Tom, exibitionism, small theft from homes, so far successful.
These small time crimes, give them a big ego boost, a big rush.
They think they are smart at work and with crimes, thus Double Life.

In the day, they clean up, go to a high level job, are back to their upper echelon appearance.
No one close to the perp knows about the dark side of the double life.

They may be isolated, live alone, or in a caretaker role for an old parent. They come across as quirky, but very nice to old Grandma. Most people don’t put 2 + 2 together.

Just some ideas.
JMO
Sara! You just incorporated all my (here on this forum, unpopular) theories. I mentioned exhibitionism a few days ago. I might also add that he probably leaves the area to visit massage parlors or the combat zone. I dont think he thinks it would be "clever" to commit a crime, I think he was compelled. He's tired of sublimating his desires. He's tired of having a TV, fantasy, girlfriend. He acted. JMO
 
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Wonder what the FBI are asking the neighbors. There must have gotten something confirmed that either NG is in the neighborhood or the perp may live in the neighborhood. Or ? JMO

I never heard of the signal sniffer technology before this case. When FBI was going door to door weeks ago I imagined one of them having NG's cell phone charged and concealed in a pocket hoping it would connect to her pacemaker. IMO
 
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I never heard of the signal sniffer technology before this case. When FBI was going door to door weeks ago I imagined one of them having NG's cell phone charged and concealed in a pocket hoping it would connect to her pacemaker. IMO

To that point, I wonder why the perp left her phone behind. Makes me think they were unaware of the pacemaker situation/app, but also it seems like another risky item to leave in the house, IMO.

Edited to add that maybe they thought taking the phone would make them more traceable. Damned if you, damned if you don't, as they say.
 
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No, I agree with profile Clemente that this was a mistake that person made and that they were not as prepared to commit this crime as they thought they were.

It was validating for me when he said he did not think it was a robbery gone wrong because you don't take the body with you unless the person is connected to you somehow and people know it. You run as fast as you can to get away from that body.
Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
 
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Sara! You just incorporated all my (here on this forum, unpopular) theories. I mentioned exhibitionism a few days ago. I might also add that he probably leaves the area to visit massage parlors or the combat zone. I dont think he thinks it would be "clever" to commit a crime, I think he was compelled. He's tired of sublimating his desires. He's tired of having a TV, fantasy, girlfriend. He acted. JMO
I really ran with your theme! I think you are onto something! Haha
 
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I know nothing of militias. This word was mentioned earlier today in the discussion of possible camo print noted in the videos and it set off a spark for me. I searched militias in Arizona and was surprised (to say the least!) to learn about many such groups.

I still believe this kidnapping was a well planned act involving more than one perp (JMO) - pulled off in order to get attention to their cause/demand(s). I fear that FBI has advised media not to release that information - probably for very good reasons.

As I mused about what’s so special about Feb 1st, I was alarmed to realize (a quick Google search) that it is “National Freedom Day in the U.S., commemorating President Lincoln signing the resolution for the 13th Amendment to abolish slavery, and it also marks the beginning of Black History Month in the U.S. and Canada.”

In truth, I’m posting this in hopes that you all will quickly tear it apart because it is going nowhere good.

This is all my own speculation, and I probably need to take a break.
 
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Ok. I am 100% behind the entire Guthrie family. I have always been. I never thought they were POI etc. The world isnt poised to see if and when she comes back to NBC. There's a perp on the loose. At its core this is a family tragedy.

That being said, Why is this news? Why is this publicized? Why let the perp know where SG is? Trying to see if the perp followed her to NY? The perp is a dangerous person. Ask yourself what is to be gained by making SG's visit to NBC a publicity moment? NOT being critical. I am wondering about motivation. If there is any. There's nothing newsworthy in what was revealed. IMO JMO
All I know is that my reaction was to burst into tears. Maybe that's what they want to do: keep the perp engaged, let people put themselves in Savannah's shoes... 😭😭😭
 
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Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
I heard his non-answer as hesitation to reveal secrets in general, not necessarily that he knows what’s going on here. If he told us too much heading down that road of what they do when they’ve IDed someone, he could jeopardize their current actions. But who knows, MOO.
 
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That is interesting (and scary). You may want to consider sending a question about this to Brian Entin. He's sometimes asked for questions, and it's something he might want to ask someone he's interviewing. JMO.
Is SATG the group identified for the ongoing crime sprees involving high net worth (HNW) individuals like NFL stars, etc.?
 
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Is this a suggestion that "your stalker" (theory) followed SG back to NYC? I have to know the answer here.
About her being on camera? No . I didnt like the idea that she went back to NYC and NBC and someone in the studio took photos of her hugging people and her grief and published them. As far as "my Stalker". it makes no sense to publicize any of this. Why tip him off as to her whereabouts? The 'event" wasn't newsworthy and should have been private. JMO
 
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About her being on camera? No . I didnt like the idea that she went back to NYC and NBC and someone in the studio took photos of her hugging people and her grief and published them. As far as "my Stalker". it makes no sense to publicize any of this. Why tip him off as to her whereabouts? The 'event" wasn't newsworthy and should have been private. JMO

Okay, got it. I follow and I agree. MOO.
 
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I know nothing of militias. This word was mentioned earlier today in the discussion of possible camo print noted in the videos and it set off a spark for me. I searched militias in Arizona and was surprised (to say the least!) to learn about many such groups.

I still believe this kidnapping was a well planned act involving more than one perp (JMO) - pulled off in order to get attention to their cause/demand(s). I fear that FBI has advised media not to release that information - probably for very good reasons.

As I mused about what’s so special about Feb 1st, I was alarmed to realize (a quick Google search) that it is “National Freedom Day in the U.S., commemorating President Lincoln signing the resolution for the 13th Amendment to abolish slavery, and it also marks the beginning of Black History Month in the U.S. and Canada.”

In truth, I’m posting this in hopes that you all will quickly tear it apart because it is going nowhere good.

This is all my own speculation, and I probably need to take a break.
Interesting theory, but they could just self-publish their cause/demands or send them to a bunch of vloggers/streamers/tiktokers/whathaveyou, they wouldn't need the "official" media for that.
 
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Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
Yes, I think Nancy was taken away because of some sort of a connection with the perp, I.e. someone who did some work at her home, on her car, or just a neighbors son or acquaintance etc. I’m not sure if LD is involved somehow either.
 
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I have thought the same that keeps popping into my head too! It was reported her home had been listed a second time in 2024 and I can’t find that article to source. That means real estate agents as well as prospective buyers had easy access to view the cameras, layout, lighting and so on with plenty of opportunity to case the property. MOO

Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
 
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