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Tech question: if NG’s user name/password were known to family members for her pacemaker app, would it be possible for each LEO going door to door to install the app (say, Medtronics or whichever is appropriate) with her login information on their Apple Watches or smartphones and see if they get a hit anywhere?
 
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Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
Sometimes people do pay to have their homes inspected to surface any issues the homeowner may wish to address before listing the home for sale.
 
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To that point, I wonder why the perp left her phone behind. Makes me think they were unaware of the pacemaker situation/app, but also it seems like another risky item to leave in the house, IMO.

Edited to add that maybe they thought taking the phone would make them more traceable. Damned if you, damned if you don't, as they say.
Right couldn’t take her phone. Perp and NG could be tracked if they had her phone on them.
JMO
 
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I think you are missing my point. The perp in the NG crime might be an academic. At the least he is intellectual and schooled. He is not a drop out. He has been exposed to books and theories and literature.

I will take an exception about your categorizing of nurses They possess keen observation skills. They act quickly and decisively. It's not the snobbery of the degrees one might possess. It's not the amount of initials after ones name. It's the ability and wisdom nurses impart. .Doctors dont save your life. Nurses do. jmo
You are making my point. Nurses are not academics and more in touch with everyday realities on a practical level. This is exactly what I am saying about the perp.
 
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Great questions! I wonder if the neighbors are talking more to each other about this case after the FBI visits today and comparing what they know? Maybe asking about any work they had done over the past few months? Any family members staying with them? Anyone recently travelled out of town unexpectedly? Would the FBI ask them to keep their conversations confidential? I wonder what brought them back today?

Maybe a re-canvass of neighbor's? Maybe there are ones they missed that might not have been home at the time of previous canvasses?
 
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Tech question: if NG’s user name/password were known to family members for her pacemaker app, would it be possible for each LEO going door to door to install the app (say, Medtronics or whichever is appropriate) with her login information on their Apple Watches or smartphones and see if they get a hit anywhere?
They would probably need information specific to her device, for example the serial number, before a connection could be made. And it may be a HIPAA violation to do so, even though it would be extremely helpful.
 
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Well this is concerning given the size of the award. Someone has to have noticed their son/brother/co-worker/friend/nephew behaving differently the last month.
The clue has already been called in, IMO. The FBI doesnt want, "I think it's my neighbor weirdo Joe". They want clues. He was away for a few days. I saw him with blood on his sneakers etc. They said they had 15,000 tips. The name is there. . After the embarrassment of the Carlos and LD raids, LE is sulking in a corner and not acting on anything but a guy wearing a sign saying I did it. JMO
 
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Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
If someone made an offer on her house, and NG accepted the offer, usually the buyer hires a home inspector to look over the house, property, etc from top to bottom.
 
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Yes, before the RE sale. Usually supply a report to buyer.
That’s another great idea of possible perp.
Someone who knew of NG, but no one would quickly think of the connection. JMO
Yes but would a home inspector use a plant to disconnect a camera?
 
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Tech question: if NG’s user name/password were known to family members for her pacemaker app, would it be possible for each LEO going door to door to install the app (say, Medtronics or whichever is appropriate) with her login information on their Apple Watches or smartphones and see if they get a hit anywhere?
Good idea. I’m not up on pacemaker apps, but I think I get your drift.

They have NG’s phone ( get PW from Annie if necessary), take this with them in the area where they are searching. See if pacemaker reconnects.

I think what you are asking if app can be added to other phones, take on search.

JMO
 
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Ok. I am 100% behind the entire Guthrie family. I have always been. I never thought they were POI etc. The world isnt poised to see if and when she comes back to NBC. There's a perp on the loose. At its core this is a family tragedy.

That being said, Why is this news? Why is this publicized? Why let the perp know where SG is? Trying to see if the perp followed her to NY? The perp is a dangerous person. Ask yourself what is to be gained by making SG's visit to NBC a publicity moment? NOT being critical. I am wondering about motivation. If there is any. There's nothing newsworthy in what was revealed. IMO JMO
I remember that you never considered any of the family as POI, I did, but only because they were the last people known to be with her. I’m glad they’ve been cleared, but I imagine it’s going to be difficult for them to get back to their normal life. I’m glad they had security cameras installed and I hope they have personal security too.
 
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To that point, I wonder why the perp left her phone behind. Makes me think they were unaware of the pacemaker situation/app, but also it seems like another risky item to leave in the house, IMO.

Edited to add that maybe they thought taking the phone would make them more traceable. Damned if you, damned if you don't, as they say.
Would have made more sense to smash it to bits, take out the battery card and dispose of it during the exit.
 
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I agree, they must have some “ smarts” to pull this off so far. Maybe Academic with a Double Life

1. Academic focus.
Some academics are content to mainly associate with other academics, lazar focused, posting technical papers, expert speaker in field. Maybe even functional autism ( formerly Asperger’s). I used to live in CA Bay Area, full of these people in tech. Yes, many are diagnosed.

2. Academic plus wholesome outside activities
Others may enjoy other activities outside of academia, such as being in a band, volunteering at homeless shelter, creating artwork, lots of interests that put them in contact with non academics.
Over time, they create outside interests, they like mixing with different types.

3. Double Life. Academic with a Dark Side
Then there may be Other academics, who may enjoy the dichotomy of being a lofty high achieving academic, with impeccable credentials, great image, and ALSO,

Living a Double Life, with sneaky interest in planning a crime, maybe a private porn addiction, lots of affairs, maybe some occasional substance abuse, dark side they keep well hidden. They visit TOR and dark web places for ideas.

Besides academia, they enjoy night life, bars, street life, anonymous street “ friends”. They pick up on street techniques and thinking. They think it may be clever to commit a crime, get away with it.
They try peeping Tom, exibitionism, small theft from homes, so far successful.
These small time crimes, give them a big ego boost, a big rush.
They think they are smart at work and with crimes, thus Double Life.

In the day, they clean up, go to a high level job, are back to their upper echelon appearance.
No one close to the perp knows about the dark side of the double life.

They may be isolated, live alone, or in a caretaker role for an old parent. They come across as quirky, but very nice to old Grandma. Most people don’t put 2 + 2 together.

Just some ideas.
JMO
It's not Impossible. NG did work for the University of Arizona for many years, and she might well have maintained connections there after she retired. Plus I think SG also studied there? So it does seem within the realm of possibility that the Guthrie family are somewhat known about within the UoA community
 
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Just awful to release those. Clearly she WAS on camera. Someone's camera. jmo

Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
Agree FBI profiler interview with BE was excellent and that his overall tenor suggested that LE isn't close to having a suspect, that he knows, anyhow. He recognnizes that as a FBI profiler, what he says carries more weight than whatever your average person might say, and I think he didn't want to say his opinion on what happened since he has educated guesses but doesn't want to mistakenly lead the public a certain way. That's my guess, anyhow.

JMO
 
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If someone made an offer on her house, and NG accepted the offer, usually the buyer hires a home inspector to look over the house, property, etc from top to bottom.
The inspector usually only comes one time, that’s why this is a good idea, most people wouldn’t think of this person as a perp, not a regular worker.

Right, it’s often done after there’s an offer, buyer can hire, pay for inspector.
Or often, because NG lived there so long, older house is sold as is, the seller does it, so people know they may have some work ahead on an older home. Inspector can be before or after an offer. JMO

Either way, it’s usually one person for a few hours, report is emailed, so not a strong connection to NG.
The inspector could then even tell someone else, who then gets started on stalking, investigating, planning a crime, so no connection to NG other than word of mouth.

JMO
 
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Tech question: if NG’s user name/password were known to family members for her pacemaker app, would it be possible for each LEO going door to door to install the app (say, Medtronics or whichever is appropriate) with her login information on their Apple Watches or smartphones and see if they get a hit anywhere?

They would probably need information specific to her device, for example the serial number, before a connection could be made. And it may be a HIPAA violation to do so, even though it would be extremely helpful.

Good idea. I’m not up on pacemaker apps, but I think I get your drift.

They have NG’s phone ( get PW from Annie if necessary), take this with them in the area where they are searching. See if pacemaker reconnects.

I think what you are asking if app can be added to other phones, take on search.

JMO

The LE have been using the pacemaker app cloned from Nancy’s phone to search both on foot and from the sky using a sniffer (which boosts the range). Yes they technically could install it on more devices.
 
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This is available on Amazon. I’m sure there are many of similar type sold in costume shops, party stores, etc. I’m not sold on a double mask theory, but it certainly possible.
So the hair, the beard, mustache, eyebrows all could be part of a mask?
 
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