Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[stmichael]

Yes. A crotch gun. It’s kinda nuts when you think about it.

I've appendix carried before, concealed as it's usually done. I know guys who do it everyday. It takes some getting used to and really rethinks your trust in the safety. And sure, it's uncomfortable, but a quick draw.

What masked Latanas man was going for was a bit different, though I would be more worried about him fumbling the gun that was poorly tucked into a mismatched holster with the safety strap not on it.

 

[Sadi]

I really liked Brian Entin's interview with Jim Clemente. I found his opinions interesting and thought provoking ... and it was also striking when he slowed down and said he shouldn't go further with ideas.

I caught that too, he was very careful with his words. I think he knows they have a POI right now they’re focusing on, maybe more than one, but he didn’t want to tip him off. IMO

 

[ilgirl]

I'm hearing some buzz online about SATG:
SOUTH AMERICAN THEFT GROUPS
A term used by the FBI and local law enforcement to describe transnational organized crime rings.



Key Aspects of South American Theft Groups (SATGs):

• Operation: These groups are often composed of foreign nationals, sometimes referred to as "burglary tourists," who may enter the U.S. illegally or via visa waivers.
• Methods: They use advanced techniques, including surveillance, Wi-Fi jammers, and disguises to avoid detection. They frequently rent vehicles, use fake IDs, and rely on encrypted messaging apps.
• Targets: High-end residential neighborhoods are heavily targeted, with a notable increase in incidents involving Asian-American business owners.
• Impact: Law enforcement has documented millions of dollars in losses across multiple states.
• Locations: Significant activity has been reported in California, Texas, and various other states.
  FBI (.gov)

I'VE BEEN READING UP ON THESE CRIMINALS. They check a lot of boxes in this case. Advanced techniques, thorough pre-planning, disguises, surveillance, work in teams. Experienced. Use crypto-currency.

They are known for casing neighbourhoods in the pre-planning phase. They use surveillance techniques, and then plan their home invasion for later date, and come prepared.

That is interesting (and scary). You may want to consider sending a question about this to Brian Entin. He's sometimes asked for questions, and it's something he might want to ask someone he's interviewing. JMO.

 

[stmichael]

There were many things that worked in favor of the criminal - a dark neighborhood with houses spaced far apart. The houses are set back from the road, so cars on the roads would not be captured by cameras mounted on the houses. A victim who was easy to overcome. The victim's camera video was not saved (but fortunately, experts were able to reconstruct a portion of it). If I were a neighbor, I would be upgrading my security system yesterday. The neighbors should all get together and install cameras on every road going into and out of the neighborhood. The whole world now knows how vulnerable they are. All the criminal needed to do to pull this off is not bring his cell phone with him. I can't say he's smart, but I do think he is observant. MOO

These things can't be stressed enough. It is a bit of a perfect storm.

Ring's Jamie Siminoff recently got a lot of flack for saying this case would be solved if NG had more cameras, but he's not wrong in that if she had real layers of security it would be much harder to abduct her, and there likely would be more evidence.

I often compare to my own set up which is a similar neighborhood (though wood and larger lots) and we use bright flood lights so that IR recording isn't an issue. We have redundant layers, POE CCTV cameras and Wifi cams, so that jamming or internet isn't an issue. We have active deterrent alerts on the cameras, and flood light are programmed to kick on when any motion detection goes on in a zone--lights up anyone there and records in clear daylight conditions. No blind spots, every approach angle covered, some areas co-witnessed, cameras extending 100 feet to the front of the house for detection upon approach, and may other layers of security on the home itself.

A low light ordinance and set up like NG's would make me feel inadequately invulnerable and I probably don't have the budget the Guthries could spend. Security is a choice and then you have to follow it with protocols and PERSEC.

 

[TGFsleuth]

Yes, I thought it might be a combination, just based on the wording of the shirts. But it was just a guess.

The dark blue shirt reading "Police FBI violent crime and gang task force shirt" on the man on the far right is different from the other two gray shirts on the LE on the left reading "Police violent crime task force," - no reference to FBI. An LE task force usually would indicate multiple LE agencies working together. In my opinion, this activity reported today, seems to suggest that there is ongoing intense focus on the neighborhood/neighbors around NG's home. The teeshirt on the FBI guy does not necessarily mean "gang" involvement is suspected - but rather could mean that the "task force" working the case consists of top notch investigators.

 

[SMK777]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029642286154534929

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I'm hearing some buzz online about SATG:
SOUTH AMERICAN THEFT GROUPS
A term used by the FBI and local law enforcement to describe transnational organized crime rings.



Key Aspects of South American Theft Groups (SATGs):

• Operation: These groups are often composed of foreign nationals, sometimes referred to as "burglary tourists," who may enter the U.S. illegally or via visa waivers.
• Methods: They use advanced techniques, including surveillance, Wi-Fi jammers, and disguises to avoid detection. They frequently rent vehicles, use fake IDs, and rely on encrypted messaging apps.
• Targets: High-end residential neighborhoods are heavily targeted, with a notable increase in incidents involving Asian-American business owners.
• Impact: Law enforcement has documented millions of dollars in losses across multiple states.
• Locations: Significant activity has been reported in California, Texas, and various other states.
  FBI (.gov)

I'VE BEEN READING UP ON THESE CRIMINALS. They check a lot of boxes in this case. Advanced techniques, thorough pre-planning, disguises, surveillance, work in teams. Experienced. Use crypto-currency.

They are known for casing neighbourhoods in the pre-planning phase. They use surveillance techniques, and then plan their home invasion for later date, and come prepared.

I have a friend who was robbed by one of these groups. She lives in a very expensive area near San Diego with all kinds of security guards and protections. LE explained exactly how the SATG accessed the house and how LE knew it was them by the precision of the operation. (They approached the house by a narrow utility access strip behind her house and cut a hole in the high fence.) My friend has two loud Jack Russells, and the theft occurred when she and husband were out with the dogs. To my knowledge, SATG does not murder, and they focus on expensive homes and neighborhoods. My friend's sheriff said that one of their main targets were couture handbags. (!)

 

[The Missing Canoe]

Academics Convicted of Murder Lets' add Ted Kaczynski to this too

• Bryan Kohberger (2022–Present): A Ph.D. student in criminology at Washington State University, he was arrested for the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students and pleaded guilty in 2025.
• Wyndham Lathem (2017): A Northwestern University microbiology professor who, along with Oxford University employee Andrew Warren, was charged with the murder of a man in Chicago.
• Valery Fabrikant (1992): A mechanical engineering professor at Concordia University in Montreal who shot and killed four colleagues.
• John Webster (1849): A Harvard Medical School chemistry professor who murdered a prominent Boston physician over a debt, a case famous for its use of circumstantial evidence.
• Bruce Reilly (1990s): Convicted of murder as a young man, he later became an academic, researcher, and law school graduate working on criminal justice reform.

High IQ people are often profoundly isolated in social life. Isolated doesnt mean they aren't street smart . You dont have to be raised on the street to out think LE. Plus, look at all the bazillions of abductions and murders that have not been solved.

A blanket statement like this perp isnt an academic because he was too busy in school doesnt compute for me. Lots of serial killers are whacko nurses, for example. Years in school. Decide to inject some substance in people to enjoy the thrill of the code blue or the control over life and death. Evil is Evil. Unsolved crimes abound. This perp is smarter or at least more goal oriented than the average Joe. JMO

Having just finished five years of graduate school and earned two masters degrees, I approve this message (that I’m not one of the “clueless “). If anything, my observational and thinking skills are heightened.

 

[Andreee]

Savannah Guthrie visits "Today" studio, says she intends to return to show

Savannah Guthrie thanked her colleagues for "caring about my mom as much as I do" in her visit to the studio since Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

There was a FBI profiler I watched on STS whose theory matched what I think happened, but without confirmation about the ransom letters validity, it's impossible to make an informed guess. He suggested a couple of local guys who thought this was easy money and did not have an understanding of how kidnappings work. They got in over their heads and have so far have been lucky. To me, this seems the most likely. They could be a few degrees of separation away from NG but likely know somebody who knows of SG and NG. The fantasy of doing this and the reality are very different and that's how we got here.

Edit to add the early appearance could be somebody chickening out.

This is what I believe and have mentioned several times. So I totally agree. Our easy access to crime materials (Dateline) can make someone believe they know what to do. I believe certain generations view everything like a video game -- war, murder, theft, driving-- without understanding the complexities. A caper movie makes it all look easy. JMOO

 

[vereb]

That is interesting (and scary). You may want to consider sending a question about this to Brian Entin. He's sometimes asked for questions, and it's something he might want to ask someone he's interviewing. JMO.

There was a long discussion on Ashleigh Banfield's podcast today with 2 experts on this very topic.

 

[SaraSmile]

Academics Convicted of Murder Lets' add Ted Kaczynski to this too

• Bryan Kohberger (2022–Present): A Ph.D. student in criminology at Washington State University, he was arrested for the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students and pleaded guilty in 2025.
• Wyndham Lathem (2017): A Northwestern University microbiology professor who, along with Oxford University employee Andrew Warren, was charged with the murder of a man in Chicago.
• Valery Fabrikant (1992): A mechanical engineering professor at Concordia University in Montreal who shot and killed four colleagues.
• John Webster (1849): A Harvard Medical School chemistry professor who murdered a prominent Boston physician over a debt, a case famous for its use of circumstantial evidence.
• Bruce Reilly (1990s): Convicted of murder as a young man, he later became an academic, researcher, and law school graduate working on criminal justice reform.

High IQ people are often profoundly isolated in social life. Isolated doesnt mean they aren't street smart . You dont have to be raised on the street to out think LE. Plus, look at all the bazillions of abductions and murders that have not been solved.

A blanket statement like this perp isnt an academic because he was too busy in school doesnt compute for me. Lots of serial killers are whacko nurses, for example. Years in school. Decide to inject some substance in people to enjoy the thrill of the code blue or the control over life and death. Evil is Evil. Unsolved crimes abound. This perp is smarter or at least more goal oriented than the average Joe. JMO

I agree, they must have some “ smarts” to pull this off so far. Maybe Academic with a Double Life

1. Academic focus.
Some academics are content to mainly associate with other academics, lazar focused, posting technical papers, expert speaker in field. Maybe even functional autism ( formerly Asperger’s). I used to live in CA Bay Area, full of these people in tech. Yes, many are diagnosed.

2. Academic plus wholesome outside activities
Others may enjoy other activities outside of academia, such as being in a band, volunteering at homeless shelter, creating artwork, lots of interests that put them in contact with non academics.
Over time, they create outside interests, they like mixing with different types.

3. Double Life. Academic with a Dark Side
Then there may be Other academics, who may enjoy the dichotomy of being a lofty high achieving academic, with impeccable credentials, great image, and ALSO,

Living a Double Life, with sneaky interest in planning a crime, maybe a private porn addiction, lots of affairs, maybe some occasional substance abuse, dark side they keep well hidden. They visit TOR and dark web places for ideas.

Besides academia, they enjoy night life, bars, street life, anonymous street “ friends”. They pick up on street techniques and thinking. They think it may be clever to commit a crime, get away with it.
They try peeping Tom, exibitionism, small theft from homes, so far successful.
These small time crimes, give them a big ego boost, a big rush.
They think they are smart at work and with crimes, thus Double Life.

In the day, they clean up, go to a high level job, are back to their upper echelon appearance.
No one close to the perp knows about the dark side of the double life.

They may be isolated, live alone, or in a caretaker role for an old parent. They come across as quirky, but very nice to old Grandma. Most people don’t put 2 + 2 together.

Just some ideas.
JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

Yes, I agree. Do a Google image search for kidnapper and the perps are wearing basically the same outfit. His clothing does not provide his criminal history or sophistication.

Indeed, and I fear that an initial underlying underestimation/miscalculation by LE of both the criminal(s) and crime may have costed Nancy her life. Specifically, I fear that law enforcement dismissed the ransom as a hoax and/or an outlier theory and discouraged family from paying it by the deadline. Only after the deadline did they begin to consider its viability and perhaps even likelihood.

I've said from the beginning that the assumption that kidnappers must enter negotiations and must provide proof of life to obtain a payout is an antiquated axiom that presupposes that contexts and/or conditions haven't changed over time. And now that there are virtually anonymous machinations in place for which those types of transactions can occur, the kidnapper holds pretty much all the cards.

JMO.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

FBI back again

Something is concerning the Sheriffs/Feds in Nancy's neighborhood

Even with the helicopter reportedly being fitted with a small device known as a "signal sniffer", described as "sophisticated FBI technology" to help pick up her pacemaker's signal.

Which was flying low to the ground around her area

They must still think she is somewhere there

She still has not been found outside the area

 

[Napoli]

I didn't realize there were photos of SG's visit to The Today show. I think these are behind-the-scenes photos and she was not on camera.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029612480352112771

Just awful to release those. Clearly she WAS on camera. Someone's camera. jmo

 

[Starlight0229]

Good idea, lots of random, unknown people walking through. Someone maybe even noticed the placement of the iwatch charger, end of bed. Or it showed in RE posted images.

JMO

Do we have anything that indicates that's where she customarily charged her Apple Watch or just where it happened to be placed at the time?

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

Just awful to release those. Clearly she WAS on camera. Someone's camera. jmo

Is this a suggestion that "your stalker" (theory) followed SG back to NYC? I have to know the answer here.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

FBI back again

Something is concerning the Sheriffs/Feds in Nancy's neighborhood

Even with the helicopter reportedly being fitted with a small device known as a "signal sniffer", described as "sophisticated FBI technology" to help pick up her pacemaker's signal.

Which was flying low to the ground around her area

They must still think she is somewhere there

Could a neighbor be involved?

Could she be in a Neighbor's basement?

She still has not been found


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Wonder what the FBI are asking the neighbors. There must have gotten something confirmed that either NG is in the neighborhood or the perp may live in the neighborhood. Or ? JMO

 

[minazoe]

Are we sure it is totally unrelated? He was tracked driving through Arizona. And he looks very similar to the potential suspect. imo

maybe he killed them for a reason other than just DV over family issues..interesting even if nothing. mOO

 

[Napoli]

I agree, they must have some “ smarts” to pull this off so far. Maybe Academic with a Double Life

1. Academic focus.
Some academics are content to mainly associate with other academics, lazar focused, posting technical papers, expert speaker in field. Maybe even functional autism ( formerly Asperger’s). I used to live in CA Bay Area, full of these people in tech. Yes, many are diagnosed.

2. Academic plus wholesome outside activities
Others may enjoy other activities outside of academia, such as being in a band, volunteering at homeless shelter, creating artwork, lots of interests that put them in contact with non academics.
Over time, they create outside interests, they like mixing with different types.

3. Double Life. Academic with a Dark Side
Then there may be Other academics, who may enjoy the dichotomy of being a lofty high achieving academic, with impeccable credentials, great image, and ALSO,

Living a Double Life, with sneaky interest in planning a crime, maybe a private porn addiction, lots of affairs, maybe some occasional substance abuse, dark side they keep well hidden. They visit TOR and dark web places for ideas.

Besides academia, they enjoy night life, bars, street life, anonymous street “ friends”. They pick up on street techniques and thinking. They think it may be clever to commit a crime, get away with it.
They try peeping Tom, exibitionism, small theft from homes, so far successful.
These small time crimes, give them a big ego boost, a big rush.
They think they are smart at work and with crimes, thus Double Life.

In the day, they clean up, go to a high level job, are back to their upper echelon appearance.
No one close to the perp knows about the dark side of the double life.

They may be isolated, live alone, or in a caretaker role for an old parent. They come across as quirky, but very nice to old Grandma. Most people don’t put 2 + 2 together.

Just some ideas.
JMO

Sara! You just incorporated all my (here on this forum, unpopular) theories. I mentioned exhibitionism a few days ago. I might also add that he probably leaves the area to visit massage parlors or the combat zone. I dont think he thinks it would be "clever" to commit a crime, I think he was compelled. He's tired of sublimating his desires. He's tired of having a TV, fantasy, girlfriend. He acted. JMO