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Wonder what the FBI are asking the neighbors. There must have gotten something confirmed that either NG is in the neighborhood or the perp may live in the neighborhood. Or ? JMO

I never heard of the signal sniffer technology before this case. When FBI was going door to door weeks ago I imagined one of them having NG's cell phone charged and concealed in a pocket hoping it would connect to her pacemaker. IMO
 
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I never heard of the signal sniffer technology before this case. When FBI was going door to door weeks ago I imagined one of them having NG's cell phone charged and concealed in a pocket hoping it would connect to her pacemaker. IMO

To that point, I wonder why the perp left her phone behind. Makes me think they were unaware of the pacemaker situation/app, but also it seems like another risky item to leave in the house, IMO.

Edited to add that maybe they thought taking the phone would make them more traceable. Damned if you, damned if you don't, as they say.
 
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No, I agree with profile Clemente that this was a mistake that person made and that they were not as prepared to commit this crime as they thought they were.

It was validating for me when he said he did not think it was a robbery gone wrong because you don't take the body with you unless the person is connected to you somehow and people know it. You run as fast as you can to get away from that body.
Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
 
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Sara! You just incorporated all my (here on this forum, unpopular) theories. I mentioned exhibitionism a few days ago. I might also add that he probably leaves the area to visit massage parlors or the combat zone. I dont think he thinks it would be "clever" to commit a crime, I think he was compelled. He's tired of sublimating his desires. He's tired of having a TV, fantasy, girlfriend. He acted. JMO
I really ran with your theme! I think you are onto something! Haha
 
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I know nothing of militias. This word was mentioned earlier today in the discussion of possible camo print noted in the videos and it set off a spark for me. I searched militias in Arizona and was surprised (to say the least!) to learn about many such groups.

I still believe this kidnapping was a well planned act involving more than one perp (JMO) - pulled off in order to get attention to their cause/demand(s). I fear that FBI has advised media not to release that information - probably for very good reasons.

As I mused about what’s so special about Feb 1st, I was alarmed to realize (a quick Google search) that it is “National Freedom Day in the U.S., commemorating President Lincoln signing the resolution for the 13th Amendment to abolish slavery, and it also marks the beginning of Black History Month in the U.S. and Canada.”

In truth, I’m posting this in hopes that you all will quickly tear it apart because it is going nowhere good.

This is all my own speculation, and I probably need to take a break.
 
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Ok. I am 100% behind the entire Guthrie family. I have always been. I never thought they were POI etc. The world isnt poised to see if and when she comes back to NBC. There's a perp on the loose. At its core this is a family tragedy.

That being said, Why is this news? Why is this publicized? Why let the perp know where SG is? Trying to see if the perp followed her to NY? The perp is a dangerous person. Ask yourself what is to be gained by making SG's visit to NBC a publicity moment? NOT being critical. I am wondering about motivation. If there is any. There's nothing newsworthy in what was revealed. IMO JMO
All I know is that my reaction was to burst into tears. Maybe that's what they want to do: keep the perp engaged, let people put themselves in Savannah's shoes... 😭😭😭
 
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Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
I heard his non-answer as hesitation to reveal secrets in general, not necessarily that he knows what’s going on here. If he told us too much heading down that road of what they do when they’ve IDed someone, he could jeopardize their current actions. But who knows, MOO.
 
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That is interesting (and scary). You may want to consider sending a question about this to Brian Entin. He's sometimes asked for questions, and it's something he might want to ask someone he's interviewing. JMO.
Is SATG the group identified for the ongoing crime sprees involving high net worth (HNW) individuals like NFL stars, etc.?
 
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Is this a suggestion that "your stalker" (theory) followed SG back to NYC? I have to know the answer here.
About her being on camera? No . I didnt like the idea that she went back to NYC and NBC and someone in the studio took photos of her hugging people and her grief and published them. As far as "my Stalker". it makes no sense to publicize any of this. Why tip him off as to her whereabouts? The 'event" wasn't newsworthy and should have been private. JMO
 
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About her being on camera? No . I didnt like the idea that she went back to NYC and NBC and someone in the studio took photos of her hugging people and her grief and published them. As far as "my Stalker". it makes no sense to publicize any of this. Why tip him off as to her whereabouts? The 'event" wasn't newsworthy and should have been private. JMO

Okay, got it. I follow and I agree. MOO.
 
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I know nothing of militias. This word was mentioned earlier today in the discussion of possible camo print noted in the videos and it set off a spark for me. I searched militias in Arizona and was surprised (to say the least!) to learn about many such groups.

I still believe this kidnapping was a well planned act involving more than one perp (JMO) - pulled off in order to get attention to their cause/demand(s). I fear that FBI has advised media not to release that information - probably for very good reasons.

As I mused about what’s so special about Feb 1st, I was alarmed to realize (a quick Google search) that it is “National Freedom Day in the U.S., commemorating President Lincoln signing the resolution for the 13th Amendment to abolish slavery, and it also marks the beginning of Black History Month in the U.S. and Canada.”

In truth, I’m posting this in hopes that you all will quickly tear it apart because it is going nowhere good.

This is all my own speculation, and I probably need to take a break.
Interesting theory, but they could just self-publish their cause/demands or send them to a bunch of vloggers/streamers/tiktokers/whathaveyou, they wouldn't need the "official" media for that.
 
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Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
Yes, I think Nancy was taken away because of some sort of a connection with the perp, I.e. someone who did some work at her home, on her car, or just a neighbors son or acquaintance etc. I’m not sure if LD is involved somehow either.
 
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I have thought the same that keeps popping into my head too! It was reported her home had been listed a second time in 2024 and I can’t find that article to source. That means real estate agents as well as prospective buyers had easy access to view the cameras, layout, lighting and so on with plenty of opportunity to case the property. MOO

Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
 
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These things can't be stressed enough. It is a bit of a perfect storm.

Ring's Jamie Siminoff recently got a lot of flack for saying this case would be solved if NG had more cameras, but he's not wrong in that if she had real layers of security it would be much harder to abduct her, and there likely would be more evidence.

I often compare to my own set up which is a similar neighborhood (though wood and larger lots) and we use bright flood lights so that IR recording isn't an issue. We have redundant layers, POE CCTV cameras and Wifi cams, so that jamming or internet isn't an issue. We have active deterrent alerts on the cameras, and flood light are programmed to kick on when any motion detection goes on in a zone--lights up anyone there and records in clear daylight conditions. No blind spots, every approach angle covered, some areas co-witnessed, cameras extending 100 feet to the front of the house for detection upon approach, and may other layers of security on the home itself.

A low light ordinance and set up like NG's would make me feel inadequately invulnerable and I probably don't have the budget the Guthries could spend. Security is a choice and then you have to follow it with protocols and PERSEC.
This is more of a general comment and not a direct response to the poster above but it made me think: What did people do before cameras were so easily available? I think we've gotten a bit paranoid. My cousin has the most annoying Ring floodlight that says "You are now being recorded" in the most annoying, loud voice every time someone walks in front of his house. He doesn't live in an unsafe area or out on secluded property... his next door neighbors are like 15 feet from from him on either side. I think there are good things about security cameras and systems and apps like NextDoor but I also think they can lead to paranoia. My Aunt just moved to the area I live in (a safe suburb) from another state where she lived in a very safe suburb and she asked me if we had gangs in the area because of something she read on NextDoor. There are no gangs where I live, in a well-off suburb where the police will respond to a lost dog in under 3 minutes, so it's just crazy to me that anyone would ever think something like that.

And to the point above about redundant security systems-- do you have backup power and internet in case someone were to cut your electricity or internet cables at a point upstream from your property?
 
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Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
Yes, before the RE sale. Usually supply a report to buyer.
That’s another great idea of possible perp.
Someone who knew of NG, but no one would quickly think of the connection. JMO
 
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Would a home inspector be somebody that would have came to inspect her home for some reason?
Doubtful. Usually that is the buyer's move upon an accepted offer (varies by state). Did she have an accepted offer and back out?

She did have a lot of regular workers--maybe more than the average person-- to keep that house up (pool guys, landscapers) coming and going regularly, as well as alleged recent work (roof re-coating, several man job). All of these workers would know her situation (living alone), he entry points, her security, her neighbors sight-lines, and how to navigate the neighborhood as well as other things. As I understand it the pool guys and landscapers were DNA swabbed but not sure if they covered everyone. And workers talk.
 
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Wonder what the FBI are asking the neighbors. There must have gotten something confirmed that either NG is in the neighborhood or the perp may live in the neighborhood. Or ? JMO
Great questions! I wonder if the neighbors are talking more to each other about this case after the FBI visits today and comparing what they know? Maybe asking about any work they had done over the past few months? Any family members staying with them? Anyone recently travelled out of town unexpectedly? Would the FBI ask them to keep their conversations confidential? I wonder what brought them back today?
 
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