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Maybe LE is re-canvassing to see if anything has occurred to the neighbors. Sometimes a witness doesn't initially understand that what they saw, heard, know is directly related to the crime.
Agree FBI is re-canvassing and I suspect they also have additional questions that they are asking the neighbors. Curious. They also had the heli flying low overhead, too, which suggests to me that they are looking for NG and a signal from her pacemaker.

JMO
 
  • #42,682
So the hair, the beard, mustache, eyebrows all could be part of a mask?
Yes, and I've wondered if it is part of a mask. If it's not part of the mask and this perp was inside, DNA could be surely left from his hair, beared, mustache and eyebrows.

JMO
 
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The inspector could then even tell someone else, who then gets started on stalking, investigating, planning a crime, so no connection to NG other than word of mouth.

JMO
Yes I think it is quite possible that people who worked on her home might later say to people, hey guess whose house I worked on this week? NG may have had pictures of her family, or from the TV show last year.

Most of us have family pictures around the house, awards, things we are proud of, etc.
 
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Yes I think it is quite possible that people who worked on her home might later say to people, hey guess whose house I worked on this week? NG may have had pictures of her family, or from the TV show last year.

Most of us have family pictures around the house, awards, things we are proud of, etc.
That's definitely a way word could have gotten out, and the idea put into someone's mind.
 
  • #42,686
Yes, and I've wondered if it is part of a mask. If it's not part of the mask and this perp was inside, DNA could be surely left from his hair, beared, mustache and eyebrows.

JMO
Maybe this is one reason he had layers of clothing, masks, gloves. Trying not to leave DNA anywhere at the crime scene.
 
  • #42,687
Well this is concerning given the size of the award. Someone has to have noticed their son/brother/co-worker/friend/nephew behaving differently the last month.

I agree. Whoever did this is either dead or moved on.
They tried their big plan for a big payday and it failed epically on that level. Probably because 84 year old NG died in the process.
But they didn’t get caught.
When a million dollars doesn’t inspire somebody, it’s over.
 
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So the hair, the beard, mustache, eyebrows all could be part of a mask?
What’s weird is I thought the eyes on the mask looked feminine, thinner eyebrows, but then the mouth area had a mustache and goatee.
JMO
 
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It's not Impossible. NG did work for the University of Arizona for many years, and she might well have maintained connections there after she retired. Plus I think SG also studied there? So it does seem within the realm of possibility that the Guthrie family are somewhat known about within the UoA community
If she worked at a university she would know academics and general university staff. Do we know what area of the university she worked? When did she retire? How many years ago?
 
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I agree. Whoever did this is either dead or moved on.
They tried their big plan for a big payday and it failed epically on that level. Probably because 84 year old NG died in the process.
But they didn’t get caught.
When a million dollars doesn’t inspire somebody, it’s over.
I wonder if LE is looking at recent missing person/death reports.

A number of people here have wondered if perp died accidentally after the abduction, car accident, disposing of the body, or killed by an accomplice.
 
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Agree FBI profiler interview with BE was excellent and that his overall tenor suggested that LE isn't close to having a suspect, that he knows, anyhow. He recognnizes that as a FBI profiler, what he says carries more weight than whatever your average person might say, and I think he didn't want to say his opinion on what happened since he has educated guesses but doesn't want to mistakenly lead the public a certain way. That's my guess, anyhow.

JMO
iiuc/iirc, profiling can reduce the odds of a crime being solved *if* it's applied and influences investigators' thinking *before* other investigative techniques are exhausted.
 
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What’s weird is I thought the eyes on the mask looked feminine, thinner eyebrows, but then the mouth area had a mustache and goatee.
JMO
Maybe the perp wore a combination of masks. Both male and female to further confuse and distract.

Agree FBI is re-canvassing and I suspect they also have additional questions that they are asking the neighbors. Curious. They also had the heli flying low overhead, too, which suggests to me that they are looking for NG and a signal from her pacemaker.

JMO
Sometimes when people get stuck, hit a brick wall, they go back to the basics.
Reexamine everything from the beginning. And ask additional questions based on new data.
 
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did nancy discover incriminating info regarding someone? could she have witnessed a bad event and someone saw her as a threat?
 
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Well this is concerning given the size of the award. Someone has to have noticed their son/brother/co-worker/friend/nephew behaving differently the last month.
Well, in the Delphi case they kept saying people should look out for the son, brother, husband, neighbor , coworker etc. who had changed their appearance, acted differently, etc.
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And for 5+ years the killer was there in plain sight (after video and audio of him played all over the news and social media) working in town at the local CVS pharmacy, right next to the police station. No one noticed a thing.
 
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iiuc/iirc, profiling can reduce the odds of a crime being solved *if* it's applied and influences investigators' thinking *before* other investigative techniques are exhausted.
Yes it is a cognitive bias that causes an investigator to only consider data that bolsters one initial or pet theory, and reject/ ignore any other legitimate data.
It think it is better to initially only look at primary source data and develop some theories, then go to secondary source data.
 
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So the hair, the beard, mustache, eyebrows all could be part of a mask?
Some way down the first page of this thread, there’s a good discussion of ideas around this. Discussed up thread in detail, too.

If it’s a thin mesh mask, it’s possible that even the teeth in the video footage are part of it and cover the real mouth. Moustache could be real, showing through the mesh. The bite light would be shining through the mesh.

I don’t know how the mesh mask would look under infrared, but in the video, there’s something off about the mouth and the placement of the flashlight. All discussed at the link. Worth a look.
 
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I wonder if LE is looking at recent missing person/death reports.

A number of people here have wondered if perp died accidentally after the abduction, car accident, disposing of the body, or killed by an accomplice.

Just my thoughts, but I don’t think he’s dead and I certainly don’t think he killed himself. He’s a coward. It doesn’t take the bravest little man in the world to kidnap an 84 year old woman.
He has melted back into the woodwork.
 
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Very good interview.
Ok, so do we take it that Clemente thinks NG knew the perp, was recognized( even with disguise), that’s why perp took NG?

Also, when he stalled towards the end of interview, he didn’t want to answer Brian about what he thought happened, what LE may be working on. I took it that Clemente has professional LE friends who have given him some clues, or sworn him to secrecy. Inside track on case.

According to Clemente’s overall tenor, I didn’t get that LE is close to having a suspect, RN.
Most of these experts think that IGG DNA will have to be used to find a lead to suspect.

JMO
I really liked how detailed Clemente was about others recognizing the perp. I'd never really thought about how pre-abduction people might have noticed certain things like the perp saying his luck was about to change or his behavior being more tense. He really emphasized how high the perps stress level would have been pre, during and post event. He was adamant that someone who knows this person knows something.

I know its important for LE not to release info too soon but if they really don't have any suspect or poi I think they should help the public understand what kinds of things they might have noticed about people around them. I'm pretty well versed in human behavior but had not stopped to think about what kind of behaviors might have been noticed pre and post event.

Clemente was thought provoking for me at least.
 
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Agree FBI is re-canvassing and I suspect they also have additional questions that they are asking the neighbors. Curious. They also had the heli flying low overhead, too, which suggests to me that they are looking for NG and a signal from her pacemaker.

JMO
Was the signal sniffer helicopter in the air before the FBI agents started canvassing? I'm just wondering if the 2 are related.. assuming a signal in the air would have to be then located on the ground?!

JMO
 
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Well, in the Delphi case they kept saying people should look out for the son, brother, husband, neighbor , coworker etc. who had changed their appearance, acted differently, etc.
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And for 5+ years the killer was there in plain sight (after video and audio of him played all over the news and social media) working in town at the local CVS pharmacy, right next to the police station. No one noticed a thing.
Yes, I think because we don't think an evil, violent person is in our circle of neighbors, friends, family etc. We think it's good for anybody else to pay attention but if someboy in my circle looked different and was acting differently, I'd generally think it was related to stress with job, marriage, children, health issue, the list goes on. JMO
 
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