SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #1

[Deleted member 39678]

This looks like the same kind of car. The tail lights look like the marker and backup lights are on the top and the brake/turn signal lights are on the bottom.

JMO.

http://photos3.automanager.com/012284/f65200857c291142b2cec1c83817bfb9/29943f6efa_640.jpg

 

[MyBelle]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-30...nding-police-South-Carolina-traffic-stop.html

Will Stack, 22, posted honest video on Facebook; it has since gone viral
In footage, he disputes claims all white officers racially profile suspects
He recounts his own experience with 'Caucasian' cop in South Carolina
Says he was given warning and went on his way after listening to officer

This was interesting.

Kudos to his parents. This isn't exactly rocket science:

'The point of this is to say that I am an African-American male, this gentleman was Caucasian. There were no problems. He did his job, I did what I was supposed to do, and that was it,' he says.

'I feel like people need to understand that not all officers are crooked, not all officers are racist, bad people, and not all people who get shot or Tasered or arrested by officers are innocent victims.

'Just because you're black doesn't mean you're a victim, just because you're white doesn't mean you're a racist, just because you're a cop doesn't mean you're a bad person.'

He adds: 'This world really needs to stop putting labels on people and things and see them as who they are: people doing things. Ignorance has no color. God doesn't see color. Why should we?'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...outh-Carolina-traffic-stop.html#ixzz3X9kaTGou
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[Deleted member 39678]

What we don't know is if Slagle would have handled the situation the same way if the driver was a white man, an asian woman, or a teenage boy of mixed heritage. It's rather impossible to know how the man thinks but I'm guessing that he will be under a great deal of scrutiny in the days to come and perhaps I will feel better able to say whether or not there was a racial component to this murder. It seems unfair to label him as a racist because he's a white man. But it also seems unfair to not acknowledge the elephant in the room: Black man shot in the back for what appears to be no valid reason. Race is a question here, but it's no foregone conclusion that racism was at play.

I agree.

Before I will call someone a racist cop I will need to see some evidence that shows it's true. Just because a white cop unjustly shoots a fleeing suspect that's black isn't enough for me.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was surprised how low a 1992 Mercedes 300E is valued on Kelly Blue Book private party sale. That's as old as KBB will go. I used zip code 29415 (North Charleston) with 150,000 miles and came up with this.

Fair= $1,139

Good= $1,411

Very Good= $1,619

Excellent= $1,814

Doesn't look like they go for much no matter what condition. The wheels and tires on the one in this case probably go for more money than the whole car.

http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/30...pe=private-party&persistedcondition=excellent

 

[Woodland]

Imo, the probes are not embedded in former officer Slager's body. The wires looked wrapped around his wrist or forearm. The screen grab posted a few pages back has a better view of the taut wires imo and those wires are not lining up with Slager's chest. The wires are to high and to far forward to be touching his chest.

I do like the enhanced view here that the taser came apart and fell to the ground, and that it was the taser after all that Slager went back to retrieve, not the cartridge (which is clearly dangling from Scott's leg).

 

[MsFacetious]

I was surprised how low a 1992 Mercedes 300E is valued on Kelly Blue Book private party sale. That's as old as KBB will go. I used zip code 29415 (North Charleston) with 150,000 miles and came up with this.

Fair= $1,139

Good= $1,411

Very Good= $1,619

Excellent= $1,814

Doesn't look like they go for much no matter what condition. The wheels and tires on the one in this case probably go for more money than the whole car.

http://www.kbb.com/mercedes-benz/30...pe=private-party&persistedcondition=excellent

That's what I've been trying to say...
My 1988 BMW was in awesome shape and it was $2500.
My current 1986 BMW was in good shape and it was less than $1000.
My dad bought the BMW of version of Scott's car for $1,000 a few months ago.

This is the CHEAP way to buy cars.
Those rims are not that nice anyway more flashy than pricey. :twocents:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's what I've been trying to say...
My 1988 BMW was in awesome shape and it was $2500.
My current 1986 BMW was in good shape and it was less than $1000.
My dad bought the BMW of version of Scott's car for $1,000 a few months ago.

This is the CHEAP way to buy cars.
Those rims are not that nice anyway more flashy than pricey. :twocents:

Yes, it makes good sense to buy used cars vs new ones. It also shows why some people will just run away and leave their car for the cops to impound.

They're not out much money by just abandoning them. JMO.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Imo, the probes are not embedded in former officer Slager's body. The wires looked wrapped around his wrist or forearm. The screen grab posted a few pages back has a better view of the taut wires imo and those wires are not lining up with Slager's chest. The wires are to high and to far forward to be touching his chest.

I do like the enhanced view here that the taser came apart and fell to the ground, and that it was the taser after all that Slager went back to retrieve, not the cartridge (which is clearly dangling from Scott's leg).

In one still close-up it appears that one probe was in Slagers left ankle (this is probably why his left pant-leg was raised during de-brief). From the left ankle the wire is wrapped around the officers arm. I believe that the probe had to be embedded in the officers clothing in order for the wire to become taut as Scott ran away with the cartridge wrapped around his ankle. Also there appears to be some resistance on the wire which is why Scott is running in such a weird manner (looks like he is being held back by the wire). One thing that is absolutely certain is Scott was not struck with the taser and unless Slager accidentally shot himself with the taser (very unlikely) it seems almost conclusive that Scott shot Slager with the taser! Under such circumstances Slager was more than justified in shooting Scott. Remember that Slagers fellow officers were converging from every direction. If Scott tried to kill Slager he could easily try to kill the other officers who would arrive seconds later.

 

[al66pine]

Re: Post upthread saying KBB value for that car, range ~ $1200-1800.

Yes, it makes good sense to buy used cars vs new ones.
It also shows why some people will just run away and leave their car for the cops to impound.
They're not out much money by just abandoning them. JMO.

Ranch,
You may have ^^^nailed it^^^.
This may explain why some ppl run & abandon $10,000; 20,000; or 50,000 FMV car --
as long as it's not in their name and they're out no money.

Which brings to mind Q about this car --- any MSM on whether Mr S paid for car, reg'ed car?
Any MSM from 'neighbor' he bought it/was buying it from?

Certainly one of our tech-wizards here could run plate # on car to see who it is/was registered to????

Just wondering.

 

[jjenny]

Scott was the one hit with the taser, not the officer.
"Scott was found with at least one stun gun projectile still attached to him, WCSC reported."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayor-s...d-with-murder-in-shooting-after-traffic-stop/

 

[jjenny]

<modsnip> I don't think Scott was hit with taser probes. It appears the cartridge end of the taser was wrapped around Scott's foot.

Scott was found with projectile from the taser still attached to him. Officer says that he deployed his taser. He never claimed he was the one hit with the taser. Officer did claim Scott took his taser. Yet video shows Officer dropping something next to Scott's body (and he shouldn't have been moving the evidence at that point)

 

[Woodland]

[mod snip]
I watched a video either on there or a youtube video and went thru scene by scene of Saltana's video at the very beginning. It shows very briefly the struggle on the ground and the person wearing a green shirt is on top and appeared to be straddling him. jmo

A screen grab of this moment would be helpful imo. I looked very hard to find this moment but can't see it - could be it happens so fast it's difficult to spot?

 

[Woodland]

If former officer Slager had a probe embedded in his ankle, would it be reasonable for him to bend over and pull it out after shooting Scott? He is not seen to be doing this, imo, rather he takes a quick glance around and walks over to a face down Scott. I don't see Slager removing anything from his ankle when he gets to where Scott is. He is able to jog back to the taser location - is the probe still trailing from his ankle?

The screen grab posted here clearly shows a red circle outlining the taut wire - the circle does not include Slager's ankle or his chest. Maybe another screen grab would help? Jmo.

 

[Woodland]

There would be no grievance industry involving LE imo, if LE kept their guns holstered, boots on the ground and fists at their side when confronting an unarmed, non life-threatening person.

The phone industry is making it more and more possible to see exactly what happened in such circumstances and when it differs from 'official' LE statement, that's when the grievances begin. Only when it differs, imo.

Hollywood has played a unique role for LE imo. Movies with no rules for LE, damage caused by them beyond comprehension and the unnecessary taking of lives seems to have had some effect - just like video games are blamed for the actions/in-actions of some people. Jmo. If some members of LE want to star in a youtube video, they might want to use a movie set or their own backyards, and not the public domain.

I think a cost attached to the stats being gathered for LE shootings/beatings will be a wake-up call for all.

 

[SeeAlice]

There would be no grievance industry involving LE imo, if LE kept their guns holstered, boots on the ground and fists at their side when confronting an unarmed, non life-threatening person.

The phone industry is making it more and more possible to see exactly what happened in such circumstances and when it differs from 'official' LE statement, that's when the grievances begin. Only when it differs, imo.

Hollywood has played a unique role for LE imo. Movies with no rules for LE, damage caused by them beyond comprehension and the unnecessary taking of lives seems to have had some effect - just like video games are blamed for the actions/in-actions of some people. Jmo. If some members of LE want to star in a youtube video, they might want to use a movie set or their own backyards, and not the public domain.

I think a cost attached to the stats being gathered for LE shootings/beatings will be a wake-up call for all.

I think the numbers alone would be interesting, but also unlikely to be of much use. One man's excessive use-of-force is another man's justifiable UOF. Is UOF only excessive if the suspect or absconder is guilty? And which crimes will this be applicable for?

LEOs use gentler techniques on suspects they perceive or believe pose little or no risk to them and to the community, based on years of training and experience and still aren't perfect, as demonstrated by the number of cops killed on duty by persons they encounter. If we're going to handcuff them as they deal with the worst of society on our behalf, then we'd better be prepared to increase their less-than-desirable salaries substantially.

I can't give you facts and figures, but each and every government entity is responsible for doing their own cost-benefit analysis and they report to whom? Their constituents, the citizens. JMO - If it costs more to pay out lawsuits than to buy equipment and hire personnel, you'll see changes. (Also JMO - the people now *****ing and whining will still ***** & whine if those changes are implemented.)

Just jumping off here,

Anarchists and their demands are incredibly selfish, simplistic, infantile, ignorant, and politically motivated, although I admit most don't realize they are being useful idiots. Anyone with any level of intelligence can see how unrealistic their (literal) pipe dreams are. Can you say propaganda?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

JMO.

 

[SeeAlice]

I would like to hear how Slager (or whatever his name is, the cop) could have handled the stop differently to prevent the suspect from acting feloniously in this situation. I saw nothing to justify Scott's reaction.

 

[jjenny]

I would like to hear how Slager (or whatever his name is, the cop) could have handled the stop differently to prevent the suspect from acting feloniously in this situation. I saw nothing to justify Scott's reaction.

Very simple, actually. When Scott run away, he could have either run after him on foot, or waited for back up.
Or considering he had Scott's driver's license, they could have arrested Scott later.
I don't see how shooting Scott in the back was justified under the circumstances.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I would like to hear how Slager (or whatever his name is, the cop) could have handled the stop differently to prevent the suspect from acting feloniously in this situation. I saw nothing to justify Scott's reaction.

Fleeing in a vehicle is often initially a felony, but fleeing on foot is usually a misdemeanor. And in the case, since the former LEO is CHARGED with murder, it is HE who the suspect.

 

[Tawny]

I would like to hear how Slager (or whatever his name is, the cop) could have handled the stop differently to prevent the suspect from acting feloniously in this situation. I saw nothing to justify Scott's reaction.

It was a traffic stop, why are you referring to Scott a "suspect"? He wasn't being arrested.

 

[Elley Mae]

Fleeing in a vehicle is often initially a felony, but fleeing on foot is usually a misdemeanor. And in the case, since the former LEO is CHARGED with murder, it is HE who the suspect.

The minute he took off running he was suspect. jmo