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Kate's behavior was reported and documented at the time and links to the information can be found right here. You may want to familiarize yourself with the case before defending her behavior,
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I just meant "something" has taken it's toll, she just looks too thin, almost skeletal. Could be due to worry / grief, could be guilt, or could be fear that the truth will finally come out. Just thinking of living with that day after day, year after year.
Not clear, do you mean after this video was done? Can you point me to the links? TIA :wave:
Oh I agree with you. She looked awful!
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i believe 100% that the parents were clearly negligent in leaving the children alone while they ate, especially after they were so upset and the woman upstairs heard the children all crying the night before. i could not even think of doing this with my children. i think they are somewhat culpable for her disappearance bc they left her alone. if this happened in the usa, i think they'd be facing child endangerment charges at the least.
with all of that being said, i do not believe they are directly involved in their daughters abduction. i would list the reasons but they have all already been listed by posters who share the same opinion. regardless, i hope that whoever did this is identified and charged to the fullest extent of the law, even if it turns out to be one or both of her parents.
with all of that being said, i do not believe they are directly involved in their daughters abduction. i would list the reasons but they have all already been listed by posters who share the same opinion. regardless, i hope that whoever did this is identified and charged to the fullest extent of the law, even if it turns out to be one or both of her parents.
I watched Crimewatch last night. What struck me was that they have now started to look at things that were already known even though those things had previously been ignored. The man walking towards the beach was mentioned early on in the investigation.
What was new was the curtains 'wooshing up.' That would mean the shutter was open. I am not sure what to make of that but if they were then that makes sense of "they've taken her," because if you found a window open that had not previously been open, then you would assume someone had taken a missing child.
There are many abductions where a child is taken through the window. I can't remember which one, but am sure I have read of one where another child slept through it or kept quiet. The twins were young enough not to understand what was going on even if they did wake up, and to fall asleep again.
What actually happened in the Crimewatch investigation was that they put into focus and strung together all the things that have formerly been mentioned but never part of the assumed time line.
Now a man walking towards the sea with a child and have we not heard before of some yaught that was around? To me the most plausible story is that Madeleine was stolen to order and taken to a waiting vessel and overseas. I think she is probably alive and will eventually be found.
What was new was the curtains 'wooshing up.' That would mean the shutter was open. I am not sure what to make of that but if they were then that makes sense of "they've taken her," because if you found a window open that had not previously been open, then you would assume someone had taken a missing child.
There are many abductions where a child is taken through the window. I can't remember which one, but am sure I have read of one where another child slept through it or kept quiet. The twins were young enough not to understand what was going on even if they did wake up, and to fall asleep again.
What actually happened in the Crimewatch investigation was that they put into focus and strung together all the things that have formerly been mentioned but never part of the assumed time line.
Now a man walking towards the sea with a child and have we not heard before of some yaught that was around? To me the most plausible story is that Madeleine was stolen to order and taken to a waiting vessel and overseas. I think she is probably alive and will eventually be found.
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Kate looks more stressed at this latest information than she ever has.
Day one she buried her face in cuddlecat and hid behind Gerry, if anyone remembers.
Now, she looks petrified...not stressed imo, more like scared chitless.
Wonder why....
For the first time ever, she has been compelled to speak to LE, presumably to answer awkward questions. No wonder she looks like hell warmed over.
Day one she buried her face in cuddlecat and hid behind Gerry, if anyone remembers.
Now, she looks petrified...not stressed imo, more like scared chitless.
Wonder why....
For the first time ever, she has been compelled to speak to LE, presumably to answer awkward questions. No wonder she looks like hell warmed over.
BBM-They certainly would be in the US; but we don't know if the law in Portugal would allow them to be charged for that, or if LE in Portugal simply declined to. I am just tired of hearing about people who should know better, putting their children in harm's way, and then stridently declaring that they are not responsible for what happened to their child. Anything could have happened to those children, on any one of those nights, thanks to their version of "alternative parenting"
When my daughter was taken (briefly, thankfully,) I had several moments when I could not speak because a sort of power of disbelief took over and more moments when words just would not come and then I screamed. I remember actually trying to work in my head what the best thing to scream was. Time stopped still, I froze and whatever it was I said was not I suspect, that logical. My actions afterwards when the woman who had taken her brought her back were nuts. I actually went for coffee and a donut with her! I can't bear to see her to this day, but I still for some reason remember sitting eating coffee and a donut and saying over and over "never do that to anyone again." I can't explain my actions to you. Shock makes you do and say odd things. I can understand Kate Mccann saying "they've taken her," just because it was the thing that came out. Some people freeze in a crisis and are not so capable of moving.
Watching Kate Mccann last night I became convinced was not the one who took or hurt Madeleine.
Watching Kate Mccann last night I became convinced was not the one who took or hurt Madeleine.
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Perhaps you want to read a bit about the case before you start throwing out accusations. Please also show me where I stated that I "completley base her guilt on her actions, (or lack there of)".
As in all cases I base my opinions on what I consider a totality of the evidence which in this case involves the utter lack of the slightest evidence of an intruder, the dogs that scented death in the flat as well as the vehicle rented by the McCann's, their complete failure as responsible parents, as well as the actions of the McCann's after the "disappearance".
BTW, I do not believe that either parent deliberately murdered their daughter. I do, however, believe they know full well what happned to her and her body.
I also believe that whatever happned to her, including the unlikely (IMO) scenario of abduction, was absolutely the fault of her selfish, neglectful parents.
Perhaps you want to read a bit about the case before you start throwing out accusations. Please also show me where I stated that I "completley base her guilt on her actions, (or lack there of)".
As in all cases I base my opinions on what I consider a totality of the evidence which in this case involves the utter lack of the slightest evidence of an intruder, the dogs that scented death in the flat as well as the vehicle rented by the McCann's, their complete failure as responsible parents, as well as the actions of the McCann's after the "disappearance".
BTW, I do not believe that either parent deliberately murdered their daughter. I do, however, believe they know full well what happned to her and her body.
I also believe that whatever happned to her, including the unlikely (IMO) scenario of abduction, was absolutely the fault of her selfish, neglectful parents.
On the matter of whether the Mccanns could be prosecuted. English law is that you can leave a child of any age but become liable for prosecution if they come to harm. It is a silly law and a lot of people in childcare kind of perpetuate a myth that you cannot leave a child under fourteen for that reason, but that is the law. Technically, the Mccanns might have been prosecuted for negligence here because Madeleine suffered harm. However, they were not on British soil. We cannot, due to confidentiality, know anything about any social services involvement for the twins here because the parents themselves and all those involved in a social services case review are not allowed to talk about it.
On the subject of Diana. The thing that became apparent to those of us living here was that a national grief unlocked previously held in expressions of grief for others closer to those who mourned her. Her death gave a lot of people permission to grieve for people they had not fully grieved for before. That she was a princess, untouchable, beautiful and so on meant she could become an icon and unlock unexpressed grief.
Got to say it. The British like every other nation have those who have stiff upper lip characteristics, people who are excitable and emotional and all sorts. Please can we stop stereotyping. Yes, the Mccanns are British and come from a "middle class" background, but their reactions are their own.
When in the public eye it is often hard to express yourself how you would privately.
When in the public eye it is often hard to express yourself how you would privately.
One thing I am very sure of. They would not reinvestigate without a cast iron reason to do so because investigations cost money, and very often the point at which they show the information they have or tie it up is when they are pretty sure they have a good idea of who has done what, or significant information that is likely to lead to a breakthrough. In cold hard terms, money is not spent by Scotland Yard unless they think they have a chance of success.
Even after what youve said above , I still find they've taken her to be a very odd thing to say . In my mind , which ever way I look at it , it implies she knew who took her or at least who she suspected. Her immediate responce was that she had been taken , not that she had wandered off . And why not someones taken her ? Someone still implying that she thought she had been taken but had no idea by who . It feels to me as though those first words would be automatic and to me someone would be the automatic word not theyve . This is the one thing thats bugged me right from the first day I heard about it . Logically as you have said , in times of panic etc what comes out could be different than what you want to come out so why is it bugging me so much ?
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i didn't say they weren't responsible. i said i dont think they are the ones who abducted their daughter
O/T-That's terrible! Can I ask what happened to the woman who took your child? I don't think you can tell by their demeanor that the McCanns killed their daughter, by the way-it just isn't off the table for me.
Interesting developments to say the least. With the JT sighting out of the way, and the Smiths sighting on page one, it does not seem that SY is just playing cover ups. The Smiths who identified Gerry McCann as the 'abductor'! I am still skeptical but might there be any chance that these people will be arrested any time soon now? JMO.Kate looks more stressed at this latest information than she ever has.
Day one she buried her face in cuddlecat and hid behind Gerry, if anyone remembers.
Now, she looks petrified...not stressed imo, more like scared chitless.
Wonder why....
For the first time ever, she has been compelled to speak to LE, presumably to answer awkward questions. No wonder she looks like hell warmed over.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Madeleine_McCann,_aged_three_and_(age-progressed)_nine.jpg
Probably already posted somewhere but for those that may not have seen here is Madeleine's age progression photo. Big difference in looks I think.
Probably already posted somewhere but for those that may not have seen here is Madeleine's age progression photo. Big difference in looks I think.
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