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[Linda7NJ]

Interesting developments to say the least. With the JT sighting out of the way, and the Smiths sighting on page one, it does not seem that SY is just playing cover ups. The Smiths who identified Gerry McCann as the 'abductor'! I am still skeptical but might there be any chance that these people will be arrested any time soon now? JMO.

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[aa9511]

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I am still saying that the e-fit of the man with the wide jaw looks just like Gerry.

 

[aa9511]

Kate looks more stressed at this latest information than she ever has.

Day one she buried her face in cuddlecat and hid behind Gerry, if anyone remembers.

Now, she looks petrified...not stressed imo, more like scared chitless.

Wonder why....



For the first time ever, she has been compelled to speak to LE, presumably to answer awkward questions. No wonder she looks like hell warmed over.

SHe just looked stoned out to me. Tired and weary. I did not really see any fear, to be honest. She just looked dazed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

SHe just looked stoned out to me. Tired and weary. I did not really see any fear, to be honest. She just looked dazed.

I too saw what I can best describe as fear, the one person (the Eggman, ID'd by their friend as the abductor) they hung their hat on for the last 6 years has been eliminated.

I think they're circling the drain. Once everyone else is eliminated... they will be the ones left standing.




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[aa9511]

..it was added to the Mirror site at 21:37 UK time this evening. Among other things, it claims that the Smiths provided information for the e-fits in 2008.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-appeal-timeline-2372091

In September 2008 a team of private investigators produce two e-fit images of the man seen by the Smiths but they are not made public until this week.

In the 2nd statement of Smith, someone posted here earlier, he said Gerry looked like the man he saw and part of it was the way he put his head down and way he was carrying his child as he was getting off the plane in the video. I think I totally believe him. Sometimes it is something you can't put your finger on exactly what it is, but you know it is the same person.

 

[aa9511]

I too saw what I can best describe as fear, the one person (the Eggman, ID'd by their friend as the abductor) they hung their hat on for the last 6 years has been eliminated.

I think they're circling the drain. Once everyone else is eliminated... they will be the ones left standing.




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It could also be that the e-fit that has been televised around the world looks exactly like her husband Gerry.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It could also be that the e-fit that has been televised around the world looks exactly like her husband Gerry.

But the time is off.


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[goldengirl57]

Found this Tweet:

Yes and they did re interview smith in 2008 and he did a sworn second statement saying it was definatley GM he saw carrying the child...

 

[Linda7NJ]

I watched Crimewatch last night. What struck me was that they have now started to look at things that were already known even though those things had previously been ignored. The man walking towards the beach was mentioned early on in the investigation.

What was new was the curtains 'wooshing up.' That would mean the shutter was open. I am not sure what to make of that but if they were then that makes sense of "they've taken her," because if you found a window open that had not previously been open, then you would assume someone had taken a missing child.

There are many abductions where a child is taken through the window. I can't remember which one, but am sure I have read of one where another child slept through it or kept quiet. The twins were young enough not to understand what was going on even if they did wake up, and to fall asleep again.

What actually happened in the Crimewatch investigation was that they put into focus and strung together all the things that have formerly been mentioned but never part of the assumed time line.

Now a man walking towards the sea with a child and have we not heard before of some yaught that was around? To me the most plausible story is that Madeleine was stolen to order and taken to a waiting vessel and overseas. I think she is probably alive and will eventually be found.

So wait, the most plausible scenario is someone on a yacht, dispatched someone to abduct a child they ordered like a pizza????

Seriously?

You base this plausibility on what exactly?




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[goldengirl57]

Is this relevant?

The upbringing and the particular circumstances of the royal family sets them apart and I would not use their example to argue that it is or it isn't normal for the British to do something because they're nowhere near normal.

I watched Crimewatch last night. What struck me was that they have now started to look at things that were already known even though those things had previously been ignored. The man walking towards the beach was mentioned early on in the investigation.

What was new was the curtains 'wooshing up.' That would mean the shutter was open. I am not sure what to make of that but if they were then that makes sense of "they've taken her," because if you found a window open that had not previously been open, then you would assume someone had taken a missing child.

There are many abductions where a child is taken through the window. I can't remember which one, but am sure I have read of one where another child slept through it or kept quiet. The twins were young enough not to understand what was going on even if they did wake up, and to fall asleep again.

What actually happened in the Crimewatch investigation was that they put into focus and strung together all the things that have formerly been mentioned but never part of the assumed time line.

Now a man walking towards the sea with a child and have we not heard before of some yaught that was around? To me the most plausible story is that Madeleine was stolen to order and taken to a waiting vessel and overseas. I think she is probably alive and will eventually be found.

ALL this was discussed by the PJ. The Smiths sighting was taken seriously by the PJ, the Smiths were VILLIFIED by lots of people for daring to say it was Gerry McCann.

He went back to portugal in 2008 and signed a SECOND STATEMENT on sworn oath that it was GM.

The timeline has not changed.

The Tanner sighting was discounted 6months into the investigation.

There was totally NOTHING NEW on crimewatch.

Oh yes the whoosing of curtains and shutters up is also discounted it never happened.

The crimewatch was not a RECONSTRUCTION OF EVENTS, it wasnt even taken place in PDL........it was filmed in Spain.

It was simply a play by actors.....

What a waste of money and a waste of time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

ALL this was discussed by the PJ. The Smiths sighting was taken seriously by the PJ, the Smiths were VILLIFIED by lots of people for daring to say it was Gerry McCann.

He went back to portugal in 2008 and signed a SECOND STATEMENT on sworn oath that it was GM.

The timeline has not changed.

The Tanner sighting was discounted 6months into the investigation.

There was totally NOTHING NEW on crimewatch.

Oh yes the whoosing of curtains and shutters up is also discounted it never happened.

The crimewatch was not a RECONSTRUCTION OF EVENTS, it wasnt even taken place in PDL........it was filmed in Spain.

It was simply a play by actors.....

What a waste of money and a waste of time.

Frankly, I'm still baffled by it!

Unless..,,like I said earlier.,. It's to surreptitiously get statements from the McCann's... And justice


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[goldengirl57]

Frankly, I'm still baffled by it!

Unless..,,like I said earlier.,. It's to surreptitiously get statements from the McCann's... And justice


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Its all ludicrous really. I think Amaral has it right its just a PR exercise to make them look good whilst they are on their libel case....but thats me being cynical too.

I would have WELCOMED something new to find this child, but there is nothing new.

What annoys me is The Smiths sighting was VILLIFIED by McCanns and friends as slanderous etc I actually thought as they had gone quiet after 2008 they had been Carter Rucked.......

Now all of a sudden its newsworthy but without the ITS GERRY bit in the mix.

No something very very odd about all this......or SY have to be seen to be doing something after 2 years of our tax money.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

It could also be that the e-fit that has been televised around the world looks exactly like her husband Gerry.

is there a picture of Gerry and the e-fits together?

 

[Fefster]

I am new to this board but have been looking for a place to discuss this case for a while.

What bothers me is why SY have done this reconstruction. It was not complete or accurate to the timeline, so surely that does more harm than good.

The evidence that they said was a 'revelation' was not entirely new and the PJ did know about the night creche and I believe had all but discredited Tanner's sighting anyway.

I feel it is for one of these reasons:

1. To flush out the McCanns and put pressure on them. The 'elephant in the room' on that Crimewatch program was obvious - it's like the interviewer was dancing around the obvious line of questioning. It was all very odd. Perhaps they produced this program for reasons unknown to us to do with observing the McCanns.

2. To take the heat off themselves over 2 very negative stories which are breaking this week about the Met Police here in the UK - the Mark Duggan and Andrew Mitchell cases. Perhaps they are desperate to show the public that they are doing something positive although I will dispute this.

3. To show the British public what they have done with our £5 million although anyone in the 'know', knows they have achieved very little.

 

[Gem2626]

ALL this was discussed by the PJ. The Smiths sighting was taken seriously by the PJ, the Smiths were VILLIFIED by lots of people for daring to say it was Gerry McCann.

He went back to portugal in 2008 and signed a SECOND STATEMENT on sworn oath that it was GM.

The timeline has not changed.

The Tanner sighting was discounted 6months into the investigation.

There was totally NOTHING NEW on crimewatch.

Oh yes the whoosing of curtains and shutters up is also discounted it never happened.

The crimewatch was not a RECONSTRUCTION OF EVENTS, it wasnt even taken place in PDL........it was filmed in Spain.

It was simply a play by actors.....

What a waste of money and a waste of time.

Link to 'sworn oath' please. As far as i'm aware the only statement Martin Smith made was the one where he says he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and he didn't see his face. 2 other people in the party DIDN'T think it was Gerry McCann. Wonder if they were the 2 people who did actually see his face and gave the e-fits. Martin Smith did not give an e-fit he did not see this persons face.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Also a link in regards to the shutters please

Employee statement
"immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

 

[gord]

Link to 'sworn oath' please. As far as i'm aware the only statement Martin Smith made was the one where he says he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and he didn't see his face. 2 other people in the party DIDN'T think it was Gerry McCann. Wonder if they were the 2 people who did actually see his face and gave the e-fits. Martin Smith did not give an e-fit he did not see this persons face.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Also a link in regards to the shutters please

Employee statement
"immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

I agree Smith has always said he never saw the persons face - but had a eureka moment when he saw Gerry on TV carrying the twin weeks later and the method of carrying the child was similar

This is a mile away from giving a 100%ID -


But lets say it was Gerry . Are we really going to believe that just as Kate was making the discovery and coming screaming to the Tapas - Gerry was busy trying to find a hiding place - a place so good that no one ever found it and was good enough that they could move the body weeks later .

Don't you think that any one from the Tapas would have maybe noticed Gerry not being around for this key time. If this was a planned disposal - why on earth would kate make the discovery giving Gerry minutes to hide the body in the road , beach where ever - it is not possible

 

[Gem2626]

I agree Smith has always said he never saw the persons face - but had a eureka moment when he saw Gerry on TV carrying the twin weeks later and the method of carrying the child was similar

This is a mile away from giving a 100%ID -


But lets say it was Gerry . Are we really going to believe that just as Kate was making the discovery and coming screaming to the Tapas - Gerry was busy trying to find a hiding place - a place so good that no one ever found it and was good enough that they could move the body weeks later .

Don't you think that any one from the Tapas would have maybe noticed Gerry not being around for this key time. If this was a planned disposal - why on earth would kate make the discovery giving Gerry minutes to hide the body in the road , beach where ever - it is not possible

Gerry was placed at the hotel by staff just before the Smith sighting and just after. Then there is about a 10 minute gap where no one has specifically said I saw hm at this spot at this time and in that 10 minutes he's supposed to of taken Madeleine's body, in front of everyone and buried her somewhere, in a strange country so well that she has never been found. C'mon people seriously?

If people actually went and read all the staffs statements (ignoring the tapas 9 statements) and worked out a timeline based on what they have said then they would realise that it's near impossible that who Martin Smith said he saw is Gerry.

 

[Cappuccino]

This part of Martin Smith's second statement needs to be borne in mind before people run away with the idea that the Smiths positively identified the man they saw as Gerry McCann...

I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane. After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife.

 

[goldengirl57]

Link to 'sworn oath' please. As far as i'm aware the only statement Martin Smith made was the one where he says he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann and he didn't see his face. 2 other people in the party DIDN'T think it was Gerry McCann. Wonder if they were the 2 people who did actually see his face and gave the e-fits. Martin Smith did not give an e-fit he did not see this persons face.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Also a link in regards to the shutters please

Employee statement
"immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

IF you want proof use google. Its there an actual statement he made, if i can find it i am sure you can.

I have enough to do lol.

 

[goldengirl57]

I agree Smith has always said he never saw the persons face - but had a eureka moment when he saw Gerry on TV carrying the twin weeks later and the method of carrying the child was similar

This is a mile away from giving a 100%ID -


But lets say it was Gerry . Are we really going to believe that just as Kate was making the discovery and coming screaming to the Tapas - Gerry was busy trying to find a hiding place - a place so good that no one ever found it and was good enough that they could move the body weeks later .

Don't you think that any one from the Tapas would have maybe noticed Gerry not being around for this key time. If this was a planned disposal - why on earth would kate make the discovery giving Gerry minutes to hide the body in the road , beach where ever - it is not possible

It wasnt Gerry.

The thing is like tanner when you are presented with details after you have seen something, and the details will fit then your brain will use those details are reality.

For example Tanner saw someone walking in the dusk at about 9.15. Then later much later she finds that the child has gone missing and is told what she was wearing etc.....her mind then takes over and she actually BELIEVES what she has seen is the child.

The same for the SMITHS sighting.

Someone is seen carrying a sleeping baby/child, then afterwards these people see McCann carrying sleeping child down plane steps, and it then becomes Gerry McCann...

I do not and never have thought that either of these sightings were the child being carried away non of it is logical to me.