scotland yard investigation

[SapphireSteel]

That is your opinion Sapphire Steell and this is mine.. we both explained our sides, eh?

I'm sorry what did you explain?

The dogs are rong?

Well that has never been explained sufficiently for me, not ever.

Follow my logic

Eddie alerts to cadaver in the Renault
The Renault is swabbed at the alert sites (cadaver sites)
There is DNA recovered at those sites
The DNA is consistent with Madeleine
All the other McCanns made it out of Portugal in one piece.

How do you reconcile those facts?

:dunno:

 

[Linda7NJ]

That is your opinion Sapphire Steell and this is mine.. we both explained our sides, eh?

To state the dog falsely hit on the coconut shell isn't an honest account of the facts.

To claim no DNA evidence exists to suggest the dogs in in this case were correct. is not an honest accounting of the facts.


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[haden]

DNA in all of the cases simply wasn't Madeleine's.. if it was the case would be solved and there would not be 5mill pounds investigation right now

 

[Linda7NJ]

Different set of dogs,for example, Portugese dogs, were brought up much sooner after Madeleine disappeared and 4 dogs separately went the same route, they showed Madeleine walking towards a car park next to the Ocean Club.

Why no one is mentioning these 4 dogs? Why no one is investigation who parked their car in the place they all stopped?

Showed Madeleine walking??? No they don't. They were search dogs ... Tracking her scent off a towel her mother provided. The scent disappeared. There is no date on the scent. And no indication she was alive when her body made the trek.

A parked car? because a friend of the McCann's Claimed to see a man walking the streets carrying her. She was wrong.

Smiths.. IMO wrong too.




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[Linda7NJ]

DNA in all of the cases simply wasn't Madeleine's.. if it was the case would be solved and there would not be 5mill pounds investigation right now

The McCanns hired quite the spin team. It worked on many, IMO


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[Cherwell]

Different set of dogs,for example, Portugese dogs, were brought up much sooner after Madeleine disappeared and 4 dogs separately went the same route, they showed Madeleine walking towards a car park next to the Ocean Club.

Why no one is mentioning these 4 dogs? Why no one is investigation who parked their car in the place they all stopped?

On another thread you posted the full report by Antonio Freitas Silva, one of the GNR officers who brought in the search dogs on the night Madeleine disappeared. Here is part of it, with a very important phrase bolded by me:

"Taking into account the aforementioned results, he states that it can be confirmed with a certain degree of certainty that the missing child passed by that location, on that day or on a previous day."

 

[haden]

On another thread you posted the full report by Antonio Freitas Silva, one of the GNR officers who brought in the search dogs on the night Madeleine disappeared. Here is part of it, with a very important phrase bolded by me:

"Taking into account the aforementioned results, he states that it can be confirmed with a certain degree of certainty that the missing child passed by that location, on that day or on a previous day."

Yes but she never went that way on previous day, at least I haven't seen a report of Portuguese police investigating this.. and they had this on the day two.. and this guy whoever he was has done one of the most professional Portuguese workers reports I have seen!

 

[Jmoose]

Different set of dogs,for example, Portugese dogs, were brought up much sooner after Madeleine disappeared and 4 dogs separately went the same route, they showed Madeleine walking towards a car park next to the Ocean Club.

Why no one is mentioning these 4 dogs? Why no one is investigation who parked their car in the place they all stopped?

Probably because those Portuguese dogs were not trained at Quantico with true human remains, as Eddie and Keela were. It does make a difference in the field work. What I am saying is that the dogs which are not trained in the same way that Eddie and Keela were, are more likely to be wrong in a case like this.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The first dogs were trained tracking dogs. The work off a known scent provided to them.

Human remains dogs search for the scent of human decomposition

Blood trained dogs search for blood evidence.

They're all trained differently.

All of the dogs found evidence of what they were searching for in an area relevant to answering the question what happened and which direction did she go. IMO

 

[haden]

Probably because those Portuguese dogs were not trained at Quantico with true human remains, as Eddie and Keela were. It does make a difference in the field work. What I am saying is that the dogs which are not trained in the same way that Eddie and Keela were, are more likely to be wrong in a case like this.

But these were 4 dogs, 2 each time.. and they all went the same route.. I find this amazing.. and nobody ever questioned why they stopped at that parking place and who usually parked their car there.

 

[Cherwell]

Yes but she never went that way on previous day, at least I haven't seen a report of Portuguese police investigating this.. and they had this on the day two.. and this guy whoever he was has done one of the most professional Portuguese workers reports I have seen!

You have no way of knowing that Madeleine never passed that way at any time during the five or six days she was in PDL, and neither does anyone else, police included. The officer made a point of stating that it is possible.

 

[haden]

You have no way of knowing that Madeleine never passed that way at any time during the five or six days she was in PDL, and neither does anyone else, police included. The officer made a point of stating that it is possible.

Exactly! But these dogs were employed few hours after Madeleine went missing. They still had the fresh trail. They did not stay inside the apartment, they went straight outside and they usually follow the freshest trail..

If I was working on this, and only had this.. I would fully investigate why 4 dogs went that way and why they all stopped where they stopped.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Exactly! But these dogs were employed few hours after Madeleine went missing. They still had the fresh trail. They did not stay inside the apartment, they went straight outside and they usually follow the freshest trail..

If I was working on this, and only had this.. I would fully investigate why 4 dogs went that way and why they all stopped where they stopped.

Sounds to me like her body was moved to a vehicle or concealed by containment in something at that point.
Dogs follow the scent they were trained to track, there isn't a time stamp.

You claimed up thread it "showed her walking"
It showed no such thing.

I think we can all agree she was removed from that apartment. You believe she was alive and I believe she was dead as indicated by the other highly trained dogs.




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[Jmoose]

:truce:

But these were 4 dogs, 2 each time.. and they all went the same route.. I find this amazing.. and nobody ever questioned why they stopped at that parking place and who usually parked their car there.

I know what you're saying; they are just different kinds of dogs, trained differently. They probably brought Eddie and Keela in to see what they'd alert on, after the Portuguese dogs did their job. I don't knw how else to explain it-I'd see if we coud get a confirmed SAR dog expert to come in here, but they might be different still

 

[Jmoose]

Sounds to me like her body was moved to a vehicle or concealed by containment in something at that point.
Dogs follow the scent they were trained to track, there isn't a time stamp.

You claimed up thread it "showed her walking"
It showed no such thing.

I think we can all agree she was removed from that apartment. You believe she was alive and I believe she was dead as indicated by the other highly trained dogs.




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Maybe a better way to put it would be to say they tracked her "moving"

 

[haden]

Sounds to me like her body was moved to a vehicle or concealed by containment in something at that point.
Dogs follow the scent they were trained to track, there isn't a time stamp.

You claimed up thread it "showed her walking"
It showed no such thing.

I think we can all agree she was removed from that apartment. You believe she was alive and I believe she was dead as indicated by the other highly trained dogs.




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This is not true.
These Portuguese dogs are trained to follow the scent on the ground, meaning Madeleine was walking there.
And it is true that the scent they follow expires with time.
Back in 2007 I read every article, I listened to every news report.
I am sure also that the McCanns were the ones who wanted Keela and Eddie to come to Portugal.
Portuguese police was against this. Mostly because they were told these dogs can 'work' only after certain number of days and this timeline has passed.
I remember the McCanns and friends pushed for this and have made an online petition for the UK dogs to go to Portugal. I know because I signed this petition.
I remember a report of McCanns saying if she is dead, we need to know this too.. when they were calling for Keela and Eddie. Also there was a disbelief around whether Keela and Eddie can do anything because their 'time lapse' has passed.
I know very well what I am talking about!

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is not true.
These Portuguese dogs are trained to follow the scent on the ground, meaning Madeleine was walking there.
And it is true that the scent they follow expires with time.
Back in 2007 I read every article, I listened to every news report.
I am sure also that the McCanns were the ones who wanted Keela and Eddie to come to Portugal.
Portuguese police was against this. Mostly because they were told these dogs can 'work' only after certain number of days and this timeline has passed.
I remember the McCanns and friends pushed for this and have made an online petition for the UK dogs to go to Portugal. I know because I signed this petition.
I remember a report of McCanns saying if she is dead, we need to know this too.. when they were calling for Keela and Eddie. Also there was a disbelief around whether Keela and Eddie can do anything because their 'time lapse' has passed.
I know very well what I am talking about!

" Mostly because they were told these dogs can 'work' only after certain number of days and this timeline has passed."


"These Portuguese dogs are trained to follow the scent on the ground, meaning Madeleine was walking there."

I am gonna need a link for your above assertions!
Placing an exclamation point at the end of a sentence where you claim to know what you're talking about just isn't good enough.






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[haden]

" Mostly because they were told these dogs can 'work' only after certain number of days and this timeline has passed."


"These Portuguese dogs are trained to follow the scent on the ground, meaning Madeleine was walking there."

I am gonna need a link for your above assertions!
Placing an exclamation point at the end of a sentence where you claim to know what you're talking about just isn't good enough.



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I followed the news about Madeleine from the DAY1, from the day only one little forum was there on the net about Madeleine's case.
Also, I am told I've got an elephants memory so these the facts I know back from the 2007.
I am not going to provide any link to prove this. I signed a petition for Keela and Eddie to come to Portugal and also was chatting with a Portuguese policeman at the time who explained to me about the Portuguese dogs.
This was before the secrecy law on the case in Portugal was implemented and people were more open about the case, so everything about the case was coming out to the media and people interested in the case.
When they put secrecy law in action, the misinformation started coming out. Like many Madeleine myths that still circulate on internet.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I followed the news about Madeleine from the DAY1, from the day only one little forum was there on the net about Madeleine's case.
Also, I am told I've got an elephants memory so these the facts I know back from the 2007.
I am not going to provide any link to prove this. I signed a petition for Keela and Eddie to come to Portugal and also was chatting with a Portuguese policeman at the time who explained to me about the Portuguese dogs.
This was before the secrecy law on the case in Portugal was implemented and people were more open about the case, so everything about the case was coming out to the media and people interested in the case.
When they put secrecy law in action, the misinformation started coming out. Like many Madeleine myths that still circulate on internet.

You need to link it, retract it, or call it your opinion or recollection.

Here at Websleuths you can not state it as fact without a link backing up your claim. You've been told you have the memory of an elephant isn't sufficient.
The rule is in place so myths aren't stated as fact.



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[haden]

You need to link it, retract it, or call it your opinion or recollection.

Here at Websleuths you can not state it as fact without a link backing up your claim. You've been told you have the memory of an elephant isn't sufficient.
The rule is in place so myths aren't stated as fact.



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Here you go, it is mentioned here in this Guardian article that Kate and Gerry have requested employment of the British sniffer dogs.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/ukcrime.internationalcrime