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  • #241
That is exactly what bothers me. I text someone when I don't want to talk to them. If something terrible happens to someone I know, then I need to TALK to someone and emote. I need to hear what the other person has to say if it is a surprising or shocking thing, yep, I need to know the details. Sounds fishy to me.

I agree--moreover, you text someone when you want written evidence of the content of a communication, which they wouldn't have had with a phone call. The text gave them 'proof' that Jonah had to be informed of Rebecca's 'suicide.' To me, this is one of the fishiest details in the aftermath of her death. In reality, it simply makes no sense.
 
  • #242
AS voluntarily took the poly. He didn't fail it; the test was inconclusive. It isn't irrelevant that the examiner felt AS was truthful because a polygraph is not a purely scientific test. Results rely on interpretation by the examiner and LE is satisfied with the results.

JMO

IMO

Hmmm...Here were AS' choices. Take a poly or refuse to. Which is the greater risk? He would definitely look guilty if he refused.

The results of a poly cannot be used in court against a person accused of a crime. Inconclusive is not passing a poly either.

In my life experience, I have learned that some people are really good liars.
 
  • #243
That is exactly what bothers me. I text someone when I don't want to talk to them. If something terrible happens to someone I know, then I need to TALK to someone and emote. I need to hear what the other person has to say if it is a surprising or shocking thing, yep, I need to know the details. Sounds fishy to me.

ITA!! And tho I find it shocking to send this information thru a text to begin with.. If, however Adam was under the impression that Jonah was by his son's bedside I could possibly understand a text, but I believe more appropriate wouldve been that there's been something horrible happen need to speak with you ASAP.. but no, he puts the info out there like it's relaying that your car is ready for pick up from the shop by his coldly texting "Rebecca hung herself".. Period end of text..

But what I find to be the most suspicious and who I find the most fault with in not adding up is Jonah Shacknai's reaction.. As we all know he was not at his sons bedside.. He'd not been with his son for the last 6 hrs.. So there would be nothing to prohibit him from immediately upon receiving the text calling Adam's phone in shock asking WTH happened? And what does he mean Rebecca hung herself? Hung herself on what?? What are you saying?? Are you saying that Rebecca is dead??

These are normal responses and I don't care who you are I know that when anyone receives a text out of the blue, with no prior knowledge of what was occurring, therefor no anticipation whatsoever that your significant other of 2 yrs was in any way in danger.. Upon receiving a text that stated "Rebecca hung herself" one would immediately need and have to know more for one's brain to even be able to absorb what it was that the text is saying.. Does that make sense??

It should.. Because without prior knowledge one would not know what to make of "Rebecca hung hersel".. Hung herself on what? Is she alive or dead? Because you don't know squat from a text that simply states "Rebecca hung herself".. UNLESS.. you have prior knowledge and were anticipating or expecting to hear this news..

Jonah did not so much as even send a text back to Adam asking for any explanation or clarification on WTH happened.. That is not strange to some?? How??

He doesn't ask anything but instead then makes a call to his ex wife at the hospital telling her that " Rebecca killed herself".. There is something very very wrong with this!! And a normal person would not be able to personally even absorb such a short traumatic text as meaning their significant other was dead.. But Jonah understands fully and needs no explanation nor clarification of ANYTHING!! he doesn't even just repeat what was said in the text but he takes it a step further moments later when calling his ex wife by saying " Rebecca KILLED herself".. He was certain of this and there was no question in his mind and he was passing along the news as if were as simple as a "good morning" greeting you say to a stranger in passing.. Cold and with zero feeling whatsoever!!!

I also believe that LE must have found it somewhat odd as well for them to actually not only make mention of these communications but to in detail along with the precise time of the texts and calls they even state what the exact words of the text and phone call were.. If it were meaningless why even bother to mention it much less actually write up the exact wording in a permanent court document??

There is something very wrong, as I just explained ^above^ and IMO everyone should be able to clearly see that these communications are in no way normal, nor are they the words, and reactions of an individual that has zero prior knowledge or anticipation of the death.. They are indicative of the exact opposite and it's chilling IMO.. Downright chilling!!
 
  • #244
ITA!! And tho I find it shocking to send this information thru a text to begin with.. If, however Adam was under the impression that Jonah was by his son's bedside I could possibly understand a text, but I believe more appropriate wouldve been that there's been something horrible happen need to speak with you ASAP.. but no, he puts the info out there like it's relaying that your car is ready for pick up from the shop by his coldly texting "Rebecca hung herself".. Period end of text..

But what I find to be the most suspicious and who I find the most fault with in not adding up is Jonah Shacknai's reaction.. As we all know he was not at his sons bedside.. He'd not been with his son for the last 6 hrs.. So there would be nothing to prohibit him from immediately upon receiving the text calling Adam's phone in shock asking WTH happened? And what does he mean Rebecca hung herself? Hung herself on what?? What are you saying?? Are you saying that Rebecca is dead??

These are normal responses and I don't care who you are I know that when anyone receives a text out of the blue, with no prior knowledge of what was occurring, therefor no anticipation whatsoever that your significant other of 2 yrs was in any way in danger.. Upon receiving a text that stated "Rebecca hung herself" one would immediately need and have to know more for one's brain to even be able to absorb what it was that the text is saying.. Does that make sense??

It should.. Because without prior knowledge one would not know what to make of "Rebecca hung hersel".. Hung herself on what? Is she alive or dead? Because you don't know squat from a text that simply states "Rebecca hung herself".. UNLESS.. you have prior knowledge and were anticipating or expecting to hear this news..

Jonah did not so much as even send a text back to Adam asking for any explanation or clarification on WTH happened.. That is not strange to some?? How??

He doesn't ask anything but instead then makes a call to his ex wife at the hospital telling her that " Rebecca killed herself".. There is something very very wrong with this!! And a normal person would not be able to personally even absorb such a short traumatic text as meaning their significant other was dead.. But Jonah understands fully and needs no explanation nor clarification of ANYTHING!! he doesn't even just repeat what was said in the text but he takes it a step further moments later when calling his ex wife by saying " Rebecca KILLED herself".. He was certain of this and there was no question in his mind and he was passing along the news as if were as simple as a "good morning" greeting you say to a stranger in passing.. Cold and with zero feeling whatsoever!!!

I also believe that LE must have found it somewhat odd as well for them to actually not only make mention of these communications but to in detail along with the precise time of the texts and calls they even state what the exact words of the text and phone call were.. If it were meaningless why even bother to mention it much less actually write up the exact wording in a permanent court document??

There is something very wrong, as I just explained ^above^ and IMO everyone should be able to clearly see that these communications are in no way normal, nor are they the words, and reactions of an individual that has zero prior knowledge or anticipation of the death.. They are indicative of the exact opposite and it's chilling IMO.. Downright chilling!!

Post of the WEEK!!! Thanks button wasn't enough!
 
  • #245
Mel,
Not to be argumentative and personally I'm done conversing over the nothing to back up theories and opinions of ridiculous possibilities.. But I must correct the statement including the menses as an unsubstantiated or nothing to back it up detail.. It is a fact and I am the o e that originally answered your post about where this info came from that you questioned in rosemary's post about menses.. It is directly stated in the autopsy results <modsnip>..

There is an AR document that states menses and it wasnt drawn out of the air.. Just wanted to make that known and not lumped in with other "theories" being thrown out there..
 
  • #246
Hey all, do we know whose blue t-shirt it was that was used as the gag? Was it Rebecca's? Jonah's? Unidentified? I'm not sure why this matters to me, but it might have some significance.

TIA!
 
  • #247
Please, get real. We, are all sinners, even though we try not to be. Why is all this bad press about Rebecca? She was just trying to lead her life. I can't judge her, can you? God said, "Let them not judge, for I am the judge of all mankind." Sums is up for me!!

But you were ok about making judgements about the S's and whether they were with MS the entire time in another thread.
 
  • #248
Mel,
Not to be argumentative and personally I'm done conversing over the nothing to back up theories and opinions of ridiculous possibilities.. But I must correct the statement including the menses as an unsubstantiated or nothing to back it up detail.. It is a fact and I am the o e that originally answered your post about where this info came from that you questioned in rosemary's post about menses.. It is directly stated in the autopsy results unlike other theories being discussed..

There is an AR document that states menses and it wasnt drawn out of the air.. Just wanted to make that known and not lumped in with other "theories" being thrown out there..

Hi OS,

Thank you - I must be blind. I looked at the AR at:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en&pli=1

I thought the dried blood on the inner thigh was due to scratches, but, yes I can see where this conclusion is made (though I don't see it spelled out in the AR).

It just gets more and more bizzare -- here's a woman who went to great lengths in maintaining herself and then suddenly decised to kill herself in the most unattractive manner ever. I find it almost impossible to reconcile.

RZ, who went to the gym regularly, had a lightly colored tatoo on her eyebrows, and blue eyeliner tattoed on her uper eyelids - commited suicide by hanging/nudity/bondage. Nah - someone is really gonna have to convince me that this is not a homicide.

Just my opinion. I'm gonna go over to the autopsy thread to see what' going on there.

MOO

Mel
 
  • #249
IMO

Hmmm...Here were AS' choices. Take a poly or refuse to. Which is the greater risk? He would definitely look guilty if he refused.

The results of a poly cannot be used in court against a person accused of a crime. Inconclusive is not passing a poly either.

In my life experience, I have learned that some people are really good liars.

Hmmm...please provide a link to your claim that I have bolded. Thank you.
 
  • #250
Are you following the same case that we are?!?! Really??!? Yea and I've seen your links ad nauseum(<-your words spoken about your links)..

The injuries ABSOLUTELY ARE CONSISTENT WITH A FALL and you've even got a 3D demo to show the exact reenactment of Max's "FALL"!!

In case you may not know, because I do... IMMEDIATELY UPON A CHILD ENTERING A HOSPITAL/ER ONCE THE CHILD's INJURIES ARE ASSESSED(and believe me Max's injuries had been very much assessed as well as extremely well documented!!) It is at that point that the healthcare providers MUST IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY DCS IF THEY HAVE ANY SUSPICION WHATSOEVER THAT THE INJURIES OCCURRED DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN HAS PURPOSED..

That is the law and that is how the law works.. These healthcare providers are not going to, especially in case such as this, they are nit going to hesitate one millisecond not having DCS IMMEDIATELY INVOLVED WITH A FULL AND EXTREMELY INVASIVE INTERROGATION AND LDT DONE OF THE GUARDIAN!!!

That did not happen, nor was there any discussion at a later time that there was foul play or even negligence!! It's false to insinuate that they suddenly had come to a conclusion that Rebecca was guilty and oh! Golly darn! Too late she's already gone!! Doesn't work like that, didn't happen Like that, and that's the accurate truth of the matter!



BBM. Notification of DCS is not a matter of public record in any case so for you to claim it did not happen is just your speculation.
 
  • #251
FYI...

I removed several posts on religion and the sexual matter, that does not belong in this thread or discussion.

Ima
 
  • #252
Hi OS,

Thank you - I must be blind. I looked at the AR at:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en&pli=1

I thought the dried blood on the inner thigh was due to scratches, but, yes I can see where this conclusion is made (though I don't see it spelled out in the AR).

It just gets more and more bizzare -- here's a woman who went to great lengths in maintaining herself and then suddenly decised to kill herself in the most unattractive manner ever. I find it almost impossible to reconcile.

RZ, who went to the gym regularly, had a lightly colored tatoo on her eyebrows, and blue eyeliner tattoed on her uper eyelids - commited suicide by hanging/nudity/bondage. Nah - someone is really gonna have to convince me that this is not a homicide.

Just my opinion. I'm gonna go over to the autopsy thread to see what' going on there.

MOO

Mel

I doubt you will get any LE or DA to agree with you that there is an "attractive way" one commits suicide. I certainly do not.
 
  • #253
Hmmm...please provide a link to your claim that I have bolded. Thank you.

Why would a link be needed to prove that AS had two choices when asked to take a polygraph? There are only two answers that are optional........yes or no. So he either takes the polygraph or he refuses to.
 
  • #254
BBM. Notification of DCS is not a matter of public record in any case so for you to claim it did not happen is just your speculation.

<modsnip> In this case we are dealing with the death of a child any case with DCS would have immediately led to a criminal investigation.. That would very much be public knowledge.. There was no criminal investigation involving Rebecca.. That is not speculation!
 
  • #255
<modsnip> In this case we are dealing with the death of a child any case with DCS would have immediately led to a criminal investigation.. That would very much be public knowledge.. There was no criminal investigation involving Rebecca.. That is not speculation!

<modsnip>
I've worked with law enforcement for over 30 years and in my experience, police do not publicly announce when they open criminal investigations into cases involving child abuse/neglect reports from hospitals, they only do so after an arrest is made. And hospitals do not publicly announce when they notify CPS. There are federal privacy laws involved that hospitals must obey.

JMO
 
  • #256
STOP bickering and baiting each other. STOP.

There are differences of opinion here. That's okay. Discuss the differences like adults or ignore them. Your choice, but don't bait and don't attack.

Discussing, speculating, theorizing is what we do here, but we do it respectfully.

Also - please do not post links to petitions, fundraising sites or things of that nature without first obtaining the permission of the owners.

Thanks,

Salem

ALSO - please be aware that if you alert a post and then you respond to it, your post will also be in violation. So keep that in mind when you find yourself wanting to hit that post button.
 
  • #257
Why would a link be needed to prove that AS had two choices when asked to take a polygraph? There are only two answers that are optional........yes or no. So he either takes the polygraph or he refuses to.

I've not seen any proof that AS was asked to take a polygraph. Many people volunteer to do so in order to eliminate themselves as a suspect.

LE have publicly stated only that AS was a witness and also have publicly stated no crime was committed.

Yet you are accusing the man of murder even though LE has stated no murder took place.

JMO
 
  • #258
There is zero evidence that Rebecca was ever involved in any criminal investigation.. Max's death was never seen as a crime, nor found to be a crime, therefor Rebecca was never involved in a criminal investigation.. That is what the evidence shows therefor does not fall into the category of "speculating".. It's what the evidence shows.
 
  • #259
There is zero evidence that Rebecca was ever involved in any criminal investigation.. Max's death was never seen as a crime, nor found to be a crime, therefor Rebecca was never involved in a criminal investigation.. That is what the evidence shows therefor does not fall into the category of "speculating".. It's what the evidence shows.

Police held a news conference and did open an investigation into Max's fall after Rebecca's death. Plus, there is evidence is in the ME's report that mentions LE interviews with Rebecca and others as well investigative reports. JS has now requested the AG review both investigations.

JMO
 
  • #260
I've not seen any proof that AS was asked to take a polygraph. Many people volunteer to do so in order to eliminate themselves as a suspect.

LE have publicly stated only that AS was a witness and also have publicly stated no crime was committed.

Yet you are accusing the man of murder even though LE has stated no murder took place.

JMO

LE also stated that a tragic accident took place with Max. Yet that doesn't stop some people from speculating.
 

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