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A LONG READ: MOSTLY RELATING TO/CONTEXT FOR THAT FIRST “BREAKUP” ON JUNE 29, 2007.

SELECTED 🤬🤬🤬 JOURNAL ENTRIES (from V3), JUNE 20-AUGUST 2, 2007, WITH A DECEMBER 2007 EPILOGUE OF SORTS.

Warning: keep your barf bag handy. Seriously.
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June 20, 2007

We went to the Sacred Grove. Travis told me he didn’t want to be affectionate there, because he thought it was inappropriate. He’s “completely entitled to feel that way, but I think it is very telling.”

I responded by telling him –“-not that I’m expecting a proposal, but this is the number one place where Mormons get engaged, so I would hardly call it a place where there shouldn’t be any affection.” He accused me of being mad, but I really wasn’t. “In truth, I was only trying to make the point that it was only his philosophy that made him think that way.”

“I didn’t press the point though because I didn’t think I could accomplish anything by doing so,” and it would have just caused unnecessary strain and tension between us. “All in all, it was very considerate of him to tell me it in a mature manner, with kindness in explaining it to me.”

--The Grove was so enchanting , “so I completely disagree about the engagement thing, and think it is a romantic and sacred spot, and a perfect place for a couple to embark upon a journey of eternity together. “

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June (?-between 20-28th), 2007.

🤬🤬🤬 writes down this quote from Prophet Joseph Smith:

“It is impossible to hide a bad spirit from the eyes of those who are faithful. It will show itself in our eyes, our speech, and in our other conduct. It is also in vain to make great pretensions when the heart is not right. The Lord will expose it to his faithful saints.”

Then she writes this:

“With this quote I am reminded of Travis. I say this because I’ve had a difficult time trusting him lately. My intuition has been off the charts. Its never been wrong about this kind of thing, and it’s a feeling that’s all too familiar, and its always proven to be true. But he swears of his honesty, and truthfully, I want nothing more than to continue to believe in him and trust him. Therefore, I will have faith that his word is gold. My philosophy is this: what he says, is. And that’s all.

"But about the quote-if he is lying and being deceitful, he will be exposed. And I trust him. That’s the bottom line. He is wonderful and special. He is rare, awesome, and incredible.”

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They broke up (from whatever was their relationship on June 29, 2007, after she invaded his privacy by snooping his texts. After she killed Travis she first said the breakup was mutual- -that each had violated the other’s trust--, then later, that she had broken it off with him over the phone because she couldn’t trust him, and that he had begged her not to leave him, promised to be better, and had proposed to her during that break-up call.
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July 1, 2007. I’m driving to Monterey to go to church.
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July 3, 2007. When I got to work I had the strong urge to call Travis and begin apologizing all over again. But when he answered (I called) he was sweet and wonderful and cheered me up a bit, so I decided it would be best not to go into all that again before my shift. I was just happy to hear his warm voice speaking to me so nicely on the other end. (…) I wish I could tell him that I love him.
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July 7, 2007

I’m in church right now, and the hymn is so poignant for me-“where can I turn for peace?”

(She quotes lines from the hymn, then responds to them).

“When with a wounded heart, anger, malice, I draw myself apart, searching my soul?”

“My heart is certainly deeply wounded. I brought so much of this pain down on myself because of my own fears and insecurities. Not only did I react with an utter lack of common sense, logic, or rational thinking, I unwittingly acted with malice, hurting someone I love and care for more deeply than can be expressed by pen and paper.”

“Where when my aching grows where when I languish, where in my need to know, where can I run?”

“My aching was bad before, but then I discovered some painful things. I let it mess with me far too much, because I didn’t have the courage to ask, to confront him. So, my aching grew, my questions resounded over and over in my mind, my heart ached increasingly, my sleep and appetite decreased.

But because I was not honest about the dishonest things I had done my heart now aches even more, I languish more. And of course, I know where to turn, to my Heavenly Father."
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Later on June 7. I went to the beach to watch the sun set, and on the path back “once again a full-blown realization of the sins I had committed weighed so heavily on me."

“The act of lying is so counterproductive, it goes against the very nature of creation itself, because creation is the word of God, who speaks the truth. “ So, every time we lie we edge out God a little more, we widen the gap and lower the vibration and separate ourselves a little more from the Holy Ghost.

“With that realization I fell to my knees in the dirt and repented yet again, deeply, sorely, sincerely. CONTRITION. “

(Then I felt the presence of Jesus Christ). “ The purity of this presence created a sharp contrast to the impurity of how I had been. CONTRITION. I realize now that I see so clearly just how unclearly I was thinking. It feels like I may never repent enough for this.”
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THE VERY NEXT DAY, June 8, 2008.

(The Bishop’s son walked me to my car then asked me if I was seeing anyone). “ I said yes. I did not like to lie, I truly didn’t, but the only alternative was to tell him the entire drama that had recently unfolded in my life, and I’m not about to share that with anymore strangers. One was enough, and it caused me enough heartache because I was stupid enough to believe he could offer me what I wanted.” (note: a stranger, eh? wonder who that was).

“Desperation makes people do stupid things. ‘Fear of loss will lead people to the dark side. ‘ Had I not been sneaky from the beginning about looking into Travis’s phones I would not have known. Ignorance really is bliss. “
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(Same day?) “The other day I was reading, and this passage jumped out at me…’and he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive to his voice, even as many would not hearken to my voice.’ It seemed to speak directly to me. “

Something catapults me to a more inspirational state. I want to get out of Big Sur RIGHT NOW. Success isn’t something to be pursued, it’s something that is attracted. I must attract success.
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July 14, 2007

"I am so excited to see Travis next weekend. If I do nothing else physical with him, I would be content and fulfilled just to wrap my arms around him and not let him go for a very long time. I would just hold him tight and feel the awesome love that flows from me to him. I can feel it now and it feels wonderful, and it will feel even more wonderful when I can express it physically to him. I love him, and my love for him has grown exponentially over the months."

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July 15, 2007.

(Think a bit about the significance of the 🤬🤬🤬 taking THESE notes at THIS time, shortly before she moved to Mesa against Travis’s will. When I first read this entry not that long ago, it literally made me feel sick to my stomach).


🤬🤬🤬 writes down these quotes, without comment:

“Having a Temple Recommend in your hand is one step, to hold onto it is a challenge, and we must prove over and over that we are worthy.”

“All men who hold the priesthood have a duty to respect womanhood. To respect their physical wellbeing and virtue….”

“To find a woman who you love, who loves you, and who respects the priesthood (…) is one of the highest and most sacred blessings you will ever receive in life.”

“False gods or idols are everything that entices you away from duty, loyalty, and love for and service to God.”

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July 21, 2007. “The Big Sur chapter has just about ended. It will be closed on Tuesday. “

July 25, 2007.
Last night in my Palm Desert house.

“I called Travis 2 hours ago and he hasn’t returned my call. I can’t help but think the worst. He’s given me no reason to trust him or to feel secure for over a month, and I am no better. We continue to violate each other’s trust. It’s a cycle I could end immediately on my part, but it drives me mad not knowing where I stand.

“Every time I’ve dug for clues I’ve found awful things. He says he loves me and I believe him, but he never told me when it mattered we were officially together, nor did he ever do much to make me feel secure.

Why should I feel like have to compete with other girls? I shouldn’t. I deserve to be treated with respect, and I shouldn’t have to worry about the man I love texting and flirting and kissing other women. I’ve been so stupid and blind in this situation. Yet, my love lives on, born daily in pain with my first conscious thoughts of him. Should I hold on? Should I let go? My love for him is bigger than even I can grasp…..”
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August 2, 2007.

“I love him. I could not possibly love him not, though I WISH I could stop. Turn it off like a light switch. Duct tape it down so it couldn’t turn back on. Or better yet, just cut the circuit. Cut off its life source. Make it dead in a second. Lifeless. A meaningless network of wires that do and mean nothing.

On the other hand, I could dwell for hours on the sweetness of him. He doesn’t show it often. He rarely did even when things were at their peak. But his potential for greatness just begs to explode. But he refuses to be coached. He is too prideful for his own good at times. He allows himself to be too caught up in negative, petty circumstances that only exist because we allow for them to exist (which is my way if taking my full load of the responsibility for such conditions here).

I wish he could see his power the way I see it. Things would change in the blink of an eye. But they will not change until we change. So, I can only work on myself and be an example, and focus on love, light, and the good and wonderful things of the Universe.”
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EPILOGUE

December 26, 2007.

“I’m ready to let go of all that garbage, holding on to only the lessons. I’ll revisit the memories (the good ones) when they don’t bother me so much anymore. When I can just reflect upon them and feel nothing but contentment and gratitude.

But I’m ready to put this rediculous year behind me. (…….) I have nowhere to go but up. I’ve continually hit rock bottom financially, emotionally, even spiritually, which has NEVER been like me. But my faith and hope was violently shaken this year. In fact, I need to be extra vigilant and cautious because of any possible residual effects floating around out there, waiting to settle into manifestation."


December 30. 2007.

“ It’s terrible, my lack of control over unwanted thoughts and bad feelings They (have become) my dominant thoughts, and I don’t want the scale tipped over into their direction.”

“At times I don’t want to think about the amazing & good times I had in the first half of the year, because the contrast of my life now only deepens the pain, as I haven’t fully let go of those times. I long for them, to reexperience those joys and carefree times when I was happier and more innocent.”
 
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SELECTED 🤬🤬🤬 JOURNAL ENTRIES (from V3), JUNE 20-AUGUST 2, 2007, WITH A DECEMBER 2007 EPILOGUE OF SORTS.

The two things that came to me after reading this is that she always wrote her journal with the thought of others reading it, rather then writing the truth. (A word she wrote about but never applied to herself) After she killed the lies she wrote were more obvious. Also, reading this while thinking of your great analysis of her borderline behavior, you can see some of her cycling. As always, thanks for all your hard work away from Pina Coladas!
 
I may be mistaken, but I think Lisa Wilson has all or most of the GChat on her blog, or in one of her books.
Jodi and Travis, May 26, 2008 – Transcription of gmail chat

ETA: Sorry, I posted this before I saw what a complete job you had done. As always.


Yes, Lisa is one of the folks who posted the GChat transcript, from BK's site, and who ordered the chat from last page to first. Deborah Maran has also posted a great deal of the chat, though not all of it, and she too went from last page to first. I'm not aware of anyone else who has reposted the chat, but I'm willing to bet if anyone else did, they also ordered it from last page to first, because that's the instruction BK has on her site for how the chat should be read.

I explained in my post above about the chat why I think last page to first is the wrong order (BK's folks, BTW, weren't convinced it was the correct order either). Of all the trial exhibits I hope become available at some point, the May 26 chat transcript is one very high on my list of what I'd most like to see/read. A transcript with timestamps would settle the question in literally a few seconds. ;)

Until then, here's on last thought about the order. If I'm wrong, and the transcript is read last page to first, then the break Travis made with the 🤬🤬🤬 that day is even more absolute. Last to first order would mean he told her he was addicted & she knew he would always take her back no matter what she did, & he had some expectation she would actually tell him the truth, then awhile later he dropped all of that and lit into her with everything he had, calling her a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, a corrupted carcass, uttely worthless, a b-tch, and yep, a piece of sh-t. ;)

(Again, I'm not certain my chat sequencing is correct, but also again, IMO it not only makes the most sense, it is also true that EVERY witness at trial quoted from/read from the IMs transcript in the page order I suggest).
 
The two things that came to me after reading this is that she always wrote her journal with the thought of others reading it, rather then writing the truth.
Yes, she wrote her journal for Travis to read. He wasn't the type to snoop so she herself would read to him over the phone. True story. She wrote that in her journal.
 
Yes, I can see how he began to feel less threatened by her intention of seeing her bishop, had she have done so, she'd have to blow herself up in order to destroy him and I think in his heart he knew she wouldn't. That she just wanted to torture him and hold the "stolen phone" recording over his head.

That she could sit there on chat, reading his pleadings and know she already had his killing in mind, that in just hours after this chat she would steal her grandfather's gun and put her murder plan into tangible action, I have a hard time fathoming such a corrupt mind.

Thanks so much for all you did with ordering the chat, as I was reading through the first set and trying to see if I could figure out which went where it was just dizzying, you did a truly amazing job, Hope. :)

Seriously, sister Geevee, it is very comforting to know that I'm not the only one who felt dizzy trying to sort out the thing. Thank you.
 
2:36AM. TRAVIS: and by the way your little comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a cheap 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

🤬🤬🤬: Only you would say that. Anyone else would see it for what it is: an Anchorman joke. I was just giving him a hard time for showing off and being such a ham. You and I had a conversation about his Facebook pics and their content. I was just razzing him.
Text May 26, 12:50 am- .... By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬....

Then,

G chat May 26, 2:36 am (first entry)- and by the way your little comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a cheap 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

Sentences almost identical. I find it a bit odd.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't remember how to respond to multiple posts in one reply, so:

1. I am taking a break from pina coladas because I found out I can't print out the texts or any other multi-page thing from BK's site, my one month pass is about to expire, I don't want to extend it for another month, so I have been skimming back through everything in case I missed anything significant.

2. I'm glad I did skim back through several of her journals (damn, they are nauseating to read), because I missed the section I posted about above, from June 2007.

What was new for me in her entries from then is how aware she was of how she had hurt Travis. Based on her own words, she seems to have done something more malignant than "just" snooping his phones and lying to him about having done so.

What was also new was that she had, over a period of no more than a couple of weeks after Travis cut her off on June 29, approached a "stranger" who she believed would bail her out (likely related to the deep financial hole she was in), and that this stranger had not given her what she needed/had expected.


** The most disturbing and sickening new insight of these journal entries, thiugh, was that she had deliberately studied/took notes on Mormon readings relating to the challenge of holding onto/staying worthy of a Temple Recommend , and of the spiritual obligations of priesthood members, especially as related to women. Travis belonged, women weren;t allowed in, what relevance could thses oblogaitons possibly have had for her? Except as a roadmap for how to destroy Travis enough that she could control him?


***Missing portions of the chat. I don’t think whole portions were deleted, but it sure looks like some lines were, the most relevant being TA’s line “If I had------it is is gone because of you.”


***I don’t know if the 🤬🤬🤬 had already decided, definitively, to kill Travis before that chat began. She staged the whole chronology of things to make sure she could get his response to “part 1” in writing. It isn’t impossible to believe that she originally planned to use the chat IM record as just one more piece of manipulated/manufactured evidence that Travis was jealous of other men (Danny Jones again),and still interested in her sexually, but that she had pushed him too far and one too many times (JM has suggested he believes at least the latter part of this to be true).


***About barf bags and thanks. Every time I am positive I could not possibly underestimate her capacity for evil and hatred, I find something new and am sickened again. Thank goodness for being able to share that feeling and what caused it with others here. Thanks. J
 
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Text May 26, 12:50 am- .... By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬....

Then,

G chat May 26, 2:36 am (first entry)- and by the way your little comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a cheap 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

Sentences almost identical. I find it a bit odd.


((does this mean you have waded into the weeds?? :) :))


The redundancy does seem odd. But maybe this context helps? On May 25-26, at various times (and sometimes simultaneously) Travis and the 🤬🤬🤬 were communicating by phone, texting, exchanging GMail IM's, sending emails, and though we didn't see the evidence, apparently also leaving messages both on Facebook and on MySpace.

And, at times Travis was very, very, very, angry. Maybe it is no wonder he lost track of having said the same thing? He repeats himself A LOT within the chat, after all).
 
((does this mean you have waded into the weeds?? :) :))


The redundancy does seem odd. But maybe this context helps? On May 25-26, at various times (and sometimes simultaneously) Travis and the 🤬🤬🤬 were communicating by phone, texting, exchanging GMail IM's, sending emails, and though we didn't see the evidence, apparently also leaving messages both on Facebook and on MySpace.

And, at times Travis was very, very, very, angry. Maybe it is no wonder he lost track of having said the same thing? He repeats himself A LOT within the chat, after all).
It means I may need to join you in your island hopping vacation. And Pina coladas. To keep me from over-imagining things.:D

I briefly was thinking maybe she wrote the part about Danny Jones to portray Travis as a insanely jealous man who wouldn't let go (sound familiar?), but the entire chat itself does seem 'authentic'.

It's weird though that they were talking about something that happened a few weeks prior, that were also mentioned during sex recording, and her explanation to her flirting seems practiced.

But your explanation of the redundancy sure makes sense!
 
Yes, Lisa is one of the folks who posted the GChat transcript, from BK's site, and who ordered the chat from last page to first. Deborah Maran has also posted a great deal of the chat, though not all of it, and she too went from last page to first. I'm not aware of anyone else who has reposted the chat, but I'm willing to bet if anyone else did, they also ordered it from last page to first, because that's the instruction BK has on her site for how the chat should be read.

I explained in my post above about the chat why I think last page to first is the wrong order (BK's folks, BTW, weren't convinced it was the correct order either). Of all the trial exhibits I hope become available at some point, the May 26 chat transcript is one very high on my list of what I'd most like to see/read. A transcript with timestamps would settle the question in literally a few seconds. ;)

Until then, here's on last thought about the order. If I'm wrong, and the transcript is read last page to first, then the break Travis made with the 🤬🤬🤬 that day is even more absolute. Last to first order would mean he told her he was addicted & she knew he would always take her back no matter what she did, & he had some expectation she would actually tell him the truth, then awhile later he dropped all of that and lit into her with everything he had, calling her a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, a corrupted carcass, uttely worthless, a b-tch, and yep, a piece of sh-t. ;)

(Again, I'm not certain my chat sequencing is correct, but also again, IMO it not only makes the most sense, it is also true that EVERY witness at trial quoted from/read from the IMs transcript in the page order I suggest).
I just reread your sequence, and yes, it does make the most sense.
 
It means I may need to join you in your island hopping vacation. And Pina coladas. To keep me from over-imagining things.:D

I briefly was thinking maybe she wrote the part about Danny Jones to portray Travis as a insanely jealous man who wouldn't let go (sound familiar?), but the entire chat itself does seem 'authentic'.

It's weird though that they were talking about something that happened a few weeks prior, that were also mentioned during sex recording, and her explanation to her flirting seems practiced.

But your explanation of the redundancy sure makes sense!

The redundancy of that one line may be explained away, but not the subject of the line- comments she left on Danny Jones' Fbook account.

I think I remember pretty well what was said about Danny Jones' on the secretly recorded May 10 call. The 🤬🤬🤬 brought up seeing on FB a photo Jones had posted of himself. She criticized it as being too suggestive or risque, and prompted Travis to follow suit, which he did, with a fair amount of criticism, even disgust.

The 🤬🤬🤬 egged Travis on-hard- to leave a public comment on DJ's page; to humiliate DJ, essentially.

Travis declined, saying he believed in handling such things privately (DJ is also Mormon). The 🤬🤬🤬 sounded disappointed in TA's response, the subject was dropped

I don't think it was coincidental at all that she left DJ a message on his FB, nor that the message apparently not only contradicted the scorn she had expressed about DJ on the 10th, but was in keeping with the sexually suggestive content of DJ's original photo/post.

The 🤬🤬🤬 was very unsubtle about cross referencing her various pieces of manufactured crap. I think it's possible when she introduced the DJ subject on the May 10 call, she already planned the comment she left him later on. She knew the comment would trigger Travis, and after he was triggered and challenged her about a sexualized comment she left for another man, she'd be able to insert that reference about discussing DJ during "that conversation we had". The sex tape.

(That kind of game was enough in keeping with her pre-murder planning call to Brewer to suggest it IS possible she was playing "just" one more round of her overall May game, and had vastly under estimated the antipathy towards her Travis had been feeling for many weeks, and how done he was with her games, and how stressed he was by the looming deadline turning 31 represented.
 
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A LONG READ: MOSTLY RELATING TO/CONTEXT FOR THAT FIRST “BREAKUP” ON JUNE 29, 2007.

SELECTED 🤬🤬🤬 JOURNAL ENTRIES (from V3), JUNE 20-AUGUST 2, 2007, WITH A DECEMBER 2007 EPILOGUE OF SORTS.

Warning: keep your barf bag handy. Seriously.
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June 20, 2007

We went to the Sacred Grove. Travis told me he didn’t want to be affectionate there, because he thought it was inappropriate. He’s “completely entitled to feel that way, but I think it is very telling.”

I responded by telling him –“-not that I’m expecting a proposal, but this is the number one place where Mormons get engaged, so I would hardly call it a place where there shouldn’t be any affection.” He accused me of being mad, but I really wasn’t. “In truth, I was only trying to make the point that it was only his philosophy that made him think that way.”

“I didn’t press the point though because I didn’t think I could accomplish anything by doing so,” and it would have just caused unnecessary strain and tension between us. “All in all, it was very considerate of him to tell me it in a mature manner, with kindness in explaining it to me.”

--The Grove was so enchanting , “so I completely disagree about the engagement thing, and think it is a romantic and sacred spot, and a perfect place for a couple to embark upon a journey of eternity together. “

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June (?-between 20-28th), 2007.

🤬🤬🤬 writes down this quote from Prophet Joseph Smith:

“It is impossible to hide a bad spirit from the eyes of those who are faithful. It will show itself in our eyes, our speech, and in our other conduct. It is also in vain to make great pretensions when the heart is not right. The Lord will expose it to his faithful saints.”

Then she writes this:

“With this quote I am reminded of Travis. I say this because I’ve had a difficult time trusting him lately. My intuition has been off the charts. Its never been wrong about this kind of thing, and it’s a feeling that’s all too familiar, and its always proven to be true. But he swears of his honesty, and truthfully, I want nothing more than to continue to believe in him and trust him. Therefore, I will have faith that his word is gold. My philosophy is this: what he says, is. And that’s all.

"But about the quote-if he is lying and being deceitful, he will be exposed. And I trust him. That’s the bottom line. He is wonderful and special. He is rare, awesome, and incredible.”

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They broke up (from whatever was their relationship on June 29, 2007, after she invaded his privacy by snooping his texts. After she killed Travis she first said the breakup was mutual- -that each had violated the other’s trust--, then later, that she had broken it off with him over the phone because she couldn’t trust him, and that he had begged her not to leave him, promised to be better, and had proposed to her during that break-up call.
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July 1, 2007. I’m driving to Monterey to go to church.
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July 3, 2007. When I got to work I had the strong urge to call Travis and begin apologizing all over again. But when he answered (I called) he was sweet and wonderful and cheered me up a bit, so I decided it would be best not to go into all that again before my shift. I was just happy to hear his warm voice speaking to me so nicely on the other end. (…) I wish I could tell him that I love him.
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July 7, 2007

I’m in church right now, and the hymn is so poignant for me-“where can I turn for peace?”

(She quotes lines from the hymn, then responds to them).

“When with a wounded heart, anger, malice, I draw myself apart, searching my soul?”

“My heart is certainly deeply wounded. I brought so much of this pain down on myself because of my own fears and insecurities. Not only did I react with an utter lack of common sense, logic, or rational thinking, I unwittingly acted with malice, hurting someone I love and care for more deeply than can be expressed by pen and paper.”

“Where when my aching grows where when I languish, where in my need to know, where can I run?”

“My aching was bad before, but then I discovered some painful things. I let it mess with me far too much, because I didn’t have the courage to ask, to confront him. So, my aching grew, my questions resounded over and over in my mind, my heart ached increasingly, my sleep and appetite decreased.

But because I was not honest about the dishonest things I had done my heart now aches even more, I languish more. And of course, I know where to turn, to my Heavenly Father."
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Later on June 7. I went to the beach to watch the sun set, and on the path back “once again a full-blown realization of the sins I had committed weighed so heavily on me."

“The act of lying is so counterproductive, it goes against the very nature of creation itself, because creation is the word of God, who speaks the truth. “ So, every time we lie we edge out God a little more, we widen the gap and lower the vibration and separate ourselves a little more from the Holy Ghost.

“With that realization I fell to my knees in the dirt and repented yet again, deeply, sorely, sincerely. CONTRITION. “

(Then I felt the presence of Jesus Christ). “ The purity of this presence created a sharp contrast to the impurity of how I had been. CONTRITION. I realize now that I see so clearly just how unclearly I was thinking. It feels like I may never repent enough for this.”
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THE VERY NEXT DAY, June 8, 2008.

(The Bishop’s son walked me to my car then asked me if I was seeing anyone). “ I said yes. I did not like to lie, I truly didn’t, but the only alternative was to tell him the entire drama that had recently unfolded in my life, and I’m not about to share that with anymore strangers. One was enough, and it caused me enough heartache because I was stupid enough to believe he could offer me what I wanted.” (note: a stranger, eh? wonder who that was).

“Desperation makes people do stupid things. ‘Fear of loss will lead people to the dark side. ‘ Had I not been sneaky from the beginning about looking into Travis’s phones I would not have known. Ignorance really is bliss. “
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(Same day?) “The other day I was reading, and this passage jumped out at me…’and he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive to his voice, even as many would not hearken to my voice.’ It seemed to speak directly to me. “

Something catapults me to a more inspirational state. I want to get out of Big Sur RIGHT NOW. Success isn’t something to be pursued, it’s something that is attracted. I must attract success.
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July 14, 2007

"I am so excited to see Travis next weekend. If I do nothing else physical with him, I would be content and fulfilled just to wrap my arms around him and not let him go for a very long time. I would just hold him tight and feel the awesome love that flows from me to him. I can feel it now and it feels wonderful, and it will feel even more wonderful when I can express it physically to him. I love him, and my love for him has grown exponentially over the months."

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July 15, 2007.

(Think a bit about the significance of the 🤬🤬🤬 taking THESE notes at THIS time, shortly before she moved to Mesa against Travis’s will. When I first read this entry not that long ago, it literally made me feel sick to my stomach).


🤬🤬🤬 writes down these quotes, without comment:

“Having a Temple Recommend in your hand is one step, to hold onto it is a challenge, and we must prove over and over that we are worthy.”

“All men who hold the priesthood have a duty to respect womanhood. To respect their physical wellbeing and virtue….”

“To find a woman who you love, who loves you, and who respects the priesthood (…) is one of the highest and most sacred blessings you will ever receive in life.”

“False gods or idols are everything that entices you away from duty, loyalty, and love for and service to God.”

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July 21, 2007. “The Big Sur chapter has just about ended. It will be closed on Tuesday. “

July 25, 2007.
Last night in my Palm Desert house.

“I called Travis 2 hours ago and he hasn’t returned my call. I can’t help but think the worst. He’s given me no reason to trust him or to feel secure for over a month, and I am no better. We continue to violate each other’s trust. It’s a cycle I could end immediately on my part, but it drives me mad not knowing where I stand.

“Every time I’ve dug for clues I’ve found awful things. He says he loves me and I believe him, but he never told me when it mattered we were officially together, nor did he ever do much to make me feel secure.

Why should I feel like have to compete with other girls? I shouldn’t. I deserve to be treated with respect, and I shouldn’t have to worry about the man I love texting and flirting and kissing other women. I’ve been so stupid and blind in this situation. Yet, my love lives on, born daily in pain with my first conscious thoughts of him. Should I hold on? Should I let go? My love for him is bigger than even I can grasp…..”
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August 2, 2007.

“I love him. I could not possibly love him not, though I WISH I could stop. Turn it off like a light switch. Duct tape it down so it couldn’t turn back on. Or better yet, just cut the circuit. Cut off its life source. Make it dead in a second. Lifeless. A meaningless network of wires that do and mean nothing.

On the other hand, I could dwell for hours on the sweetness of him. He doesn’t show it often. He rarely did even when things were at their peak. But his potential for greatness just begs to explode. But he refuses to be coached. He is too prideful for his own good at times. He allows himself to be too caught up in negative, petty circumstances that only exist because we allow for them to exist (which is my way if taking my full load of the responsibility for such conditions here).

I wish he could see his power the way I see it. Things would change in the blink of an eye. But they will not change until we change. So, I can only work on myself and be an example, and focus on love, light, and the good and wonderful things of the Universe.”
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EPILOGUE

December 26, 2007.

“I’m ready to let go of all that garbage, holding on to only the lessons. I’ll revisit the memories (the good ones) when they don’t bother me so much anymore. When I can just reflect upon them and feel nothing but contentment and gratitude.

But I’m ready to put this rediculous year behind me. (…….) I have nowhere to go but up. I’ve continually hit rock bottom financially, emotionally, even spiritually, which has NEVER been like me. But my faith and hope was violently shaken this year. In fact, I need to be extra vigilant and cautious because of any possible residual effects floating around out there, waiting to settle into manifestation."


December 30. 2007.

“ It’s terrible, my lack of control over unwanted thoughts and bad feelings They (have become) my dominant thoughts, and I don’t want the scale tipped over into their direction.”

“At times I don’t want to think about the amazing & good times I had in the first half of the year, because the contrast of my life now only deepens the pain, as I haven’t fully let go of those times. I long for them, to reexperience those joys and carefree times when I was happier and more innocent.”
Thank you hope4more! All of her entries have a creepy Edgar Allen Poe lamenting his Lenore/Willy Wonka/boy who took my virginity vibe to them.(LMAO on virginity).she definitely has nooo problem lying to herself either.
 
I felt the same sick way reading what she wrote about the Temple Recommend/priesthood, as if it was a weapon she tucked away for later use.

And had she gone to her bishop, Travis not only would have lost his recommend again, he was turning 31 and soon to be out of the singles ward, guaranteeing he'd likely never marry a 'proper Mormon'. And that to him would have been a great destruction to his life plan.

I read completely through both sets of gchat and do think you ordered it correctly, everything flows; reading upwards from last page to first as BK indicates makes it disjointed, I think you got it right, Hope.

That stranger thing is a bit curious, wasn't she slicing his and Lisa's tires in late 2007? I can't recall what else we know she was up to then.

And same here, it sure sounds like she did more than snoop his phone and lie about it that brought about the 'breakup', I'm so looking forward to when everything is unsealed/released so we can get as full a picture as possible.
 
I felt the same sick way reading what she wrote about the Temple Recommend/priesthood, as if it was a weapon she tucked away for later use.

And had she gone to her bishop, Travis not only would have lost his recommend again, he was turning 31 and soon to be out of the singles ward, guaranteeing he'd likely never marry a 'proper Mormon'. And that to him would have been a great destruction to his life plan.

I read completely through both sets of gchat and do think you ordered it correctly, everything flows; reading upwards from last page to first as BK indicates makes it disjointed, I think you got it right, Hope.

That stranger thing is a bit curious, wasn't she slicing his and Lisa's tires in late 2007? I can't recall what else we know she was up to then.

And same here, it sure sounds like she did more than snoop his phone and lie about it that brought about the 'breakup', I'm so looking forward to when everything is unsealed/released so we can get as full a picture as possible.

I felt the same sick way reading what she wrote about the Temple Recommend/priesthood, as if it was a weapon she tucked away for later use.

And had she gone to her bishop, Travis not only would have lost his recommend again, he was turning 31 and soon to be out of the singles ward, guaranteeing he'd likely never marry a 'proper Mormon'. And that to him would have been a great destruction to his life plan.

I read completely through both sets of gchat and do think you ordered it correctly, everything flows; reading upwards from last page to first as BK indicates makes it disjointed, I think you got it right, Hope.

That stranger thing is a bit curious, wasn't she slicing his and Lisa's tires in late 2007? I can't recall what else we know she was up to then.

And same here, it sure sounds like she did more than snoop his phone and lie about it that brought about the 'breakup', I'm so looking forward to when everything is unsealed/released so we can get as full a picture as possible.

She had slashed TA's tires twice by year's end 2007, and had broken up his relationship with Lisa twice as well.

The stranger thing....that really is curious, eh? She expected a stranger to do as she commanded, and was "heartbroken" when he didn't? All of that drama within a 2 week or so period?

Here's one flaming speculation guess: Kyle K. Who didn't leave his wife for her?
 
About getting access to docs....

I'm pretty sure the COA will keep sealed the docs that were sealed during trial, at least until the time they deny the 🤬🤬🤬's appeal. It's not impossible that sealed docs will stay sealed through the AZ Supreme Court declining to hear her appeal, assuming she tries that route.

I don't believe the seals will stay in place for her PCR.

But, even when the sealed is unsealed, and even when the entire trial record is available to the public, there is the not small matter of how those if us who don't live close to Phoenix AZ will actually get our hands on the docs.

I doubt BK will make the effort, and who else out there will make the investment in time & dollars to dig through the record & copy what is of most interest?

(hmm. ;))
 
SELECTED 🤬🤬🤬 JOURNAL ENTRIES (from V3), JUNE 20-AUGUST 2, 2007, WITH A DECEMBER 2007 EPILOGUE OF SORTS.

The two things that came to me after reading this is that she always wrote her journal with the thought of others reading it, rather then writing the truth.

Yes - this is exactly the same thought I got. The way she talks about herself in person is also similar.
 
She had slashed TA's tires twice by year's end 2007, and had broken up his relationship with Lisa twice as well.

The stranger thing....that really is curious, eh? She expected a stranger to do as she commanded, and was "heartbroken" when he didn't? All of that drama within a 2 week or so period?

Here's one flaming speculation guess: Kyle K. Who didn't leave his wife for her?

Did she first meet Kyle K around that time frame? She rarely seems to let go of whomever she sets her sights on, so it seems like whoever that was we should have heard something about, at least the name.

Yeah, heartbroken that a stranger didn't come to her rescue and make her life perfect overnight, not many people even fantasize that way, much less let themselves get "heartbroken" over such a notion.
 
About getting access to docs....

I'm pretty sure the COA will keep sealed the docs that were sealed during trial, at least until the time they deny the 🤬🤬🤬's appeal. It's not impossible that sealed docs will stay sealed through the AZ Supreme Court declining to hear her appeal, assuming she tries that route.

I don't believe the seals will stay in place for her PCR.

But, even when the sealed is unsealed, and even when the entire trial record is available to the public, there is the not small matter of how those if us who don't live close to Phoenix AZ will actually get our hands on the docs.

I doubt BK will make the effort, and who else out there will make the investment in time & dollars to dig through the record & copy what is of most interest?

(hmm. ;))

Yeah, I kind of expect everything to stay sealed at least until the PCR hearing, but man I really want everything released at least long enough before the PCR so we can see as much of it as possible before she stands before JSS and pleads her case for a new trial. I want to read those exparté hearings, and all the sealed motions and rulings! And whatever else was shielded from us, of course. lol

That Hmmm is a little foreboding...I'm almost afraid for you. ;)
 
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