Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[pocketaccent]

JA made several points deliberately in her journal, point by point. These were her defense at the time, in case she was ever questioned by LE.

May 22 journal entry -

-Her new phone arrived.
-They agree to amicably part ways. Travis was against this idea.
-She is not jealous of Mimi and Lisa.
-Travis is waiting for any new development regarding his BMW. Travis told her he may just scrap the BMW but she will never do him wrong.

That BMW mention sticks out like a sore thumb for me.

Because she did not need to mention it but she squeezed it in.
More importantly, she didn't have to plant the payment check (dated May 25) in his office, but she did.

Was she about to receive an insurance pay-out check in her name? And Travis found out about this scam on May 22? Hence it was vital for her to make the payment to show BMW is really her car?

I think the pre-modified G-chat would have included this aspect.

 

[wasnt_me]

The pics of her brown hair in March show a much lighter shade of brown than the selfies she took on the way to Mesa in June, call it a test run if you will, and although some may not think she was already contemplating her game plan by March, I do.

For some examples of her hair colours, https://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/the-jodi-arias-trial/ has lots... iirc JA said the ones in the snow
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ja64.jpg?w=300&h=200

were taken around the time she first dyed her hair brown, now compare those to her June 3 selfie.
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ja34.jpg?w=300&h=300

All shades of her hair is why I have been insistent that the sex pics happened June 4th, just as LE and Juan Martinez argued.

There's a high probability that she colored her hair right at the end of March because she was going into a new life. It didn't take, but she liked the highlights and kept them for a couple months. she dyed it again to make it fully take. She dyed it on the trip...that's premeditation or it's her trying to look good for Travis--or both.

I don't know when the premeditation started, but i do know she told Flores that she'd known about the Memorial day singing thing since right around the time she moved, and Travis had said he'd come. So I think she had a fantasy that they'd still carry on some type of relationship until it became obvious to her that Travis wasn't trying to visit Yreka.

You mean this one? http://www.courtchatter.com/#!jodi-arias-email-may-16/c253u

Looks to me like she hacked his blog and sent it to herself, from there, look at the bottom of the last page... it's from "Raising You wdp.wpd | Content-Encoding:******".

That's a good catch. I need to go take a closer look at that one. I hadn't noticed.

Even if she wasn't making any money in Mesa, she sure was spending a lot..... I would guess a couple of thousand a month.

Which is why I think she was forced to leave Mesa, by her parents, who had to start footing her bills. She probably missed rent or was late, etc. What did she sign? A nine-month lease? Who makes up 9-month leases? I guess she could have been month-to-month--or she was told she had to go because she was behind and the money wasn't flowing wherever Jodi was going.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

LMAO, who would want to buy a letter from a butcheress... bet she will be livid when she finds out who sold it, probably one of her "so called" supporters. One page handwritten letter from Arias. Letter is general content and centers around discussion of family not helping her with tasks since her arrest.



http://serialkillersink.net/skistore/jodi-arias-handwritten-letter-and-envelope.html

 

[wasnt_me]

Re the report http://wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf the last activity on the laptop was on 6-4-08 at 16:19 hours and consisted of email activity. Iirc it was checking the airline ticket to Cancun.

i wasn't meaning the last activity all day. Sorry for the confusion. The post I was replying to was talking about his morning computer activities at the time Jodi arrived. The last documented time in the afternoon is either 4:24pm or 4:54pm, according to testimony. They said both times and no lawyer corrected it. It was either in Melendez or Dworkin's testimony.

I suppose, though if it was possible to get a commission of $50-100 for every sign up and it only cost the person $27 to sign up, it might not be a fortune but it does add up and didn't TA actually mention having paid for people to sign up just to get his monthly quota... you can bet JA would have seen the dollar signs involved and took it to a whole other level, at least until someone caught her. That could have caused a whole lot of trouble for a lot of people within the company.

Jodi wasn't signing people up. The only people you see her write in her journal that she got, she gave to Travis--i believe those people helped him qualify for Cancun. she likes to brag that she was doing all this background work for him with PPL, and according to the texts, she was apart of the buying memberships thing you bring up.

Jodi was getting $12.50 an hour from Travis to clean, but I don't know how many hours he'd pay her for per time. I'm guessing 2, for $25 per cleaning. She was waiting tables, which I don't know what the tips could be like at her restaurants.

I don't know what she was doing. You'd think with all the PPL notes, she'd be an executive director! And maybe she was--in her own mind. :facepalm:

 

[wasnt_me]

The computer timeline goes on. This post was specifically about YouTube activity. She didn't say the name Daft as the video, but the video she described IS the Daft video, which is the point.

Don't agree with the logic--- the murder only took 2 minutes therefore anything is possible in the timeline.

The girl went full throttle psycho for 2 minutes against a naked wet man first trapped sitting down in a shower , then trapped and wounded in the bathroom, then ditto in a narrow hallway, rapidly weakened by blood loss. She was in control.

The few minutes between each video -- quite different, especially given all that would have to happen, and especially given he wasn't expecting her. Jmo.

My point is that she knew the video. She knew what they were doing in the video. She watched the video. My point is also that a lot can happen even in just one minute, and we have no idea when she could have come into the house. She could have even gotten there at at 3:44am. Or 3:53am. or 4:01am We don't know.

ETA--For example about time, someone can run a mile in 7 minutes. The current record holder is 3:43 minutes. There are meals out there that people can prepare in 10 minutes. You're imagining an argument ensued. I'm imagining a deleted text that said, "listen, I'm here. I had to go to Rachel's (or whoever's house) I'm gonna drop off your journals and handwritten chapters and keep right on going. I can't waste time. I have to be in utah by x time."

 

[wasnt_me]

There was no real snow, either. That's a backdrop....

Everything is so artificial.....

I believe she said in a photo comment or something that it was real and not a JcPenny pic! LOL when did she go skiing, with her broke behind? That's what I want to know...My guess? it's is photoshopped, meant to make travis jealous. As I recall, he went skiing in April.

 

[EquallyDivided]

All shades of her hair is why I have been insistent that the sex pics happened June 4th, just as LE and Juan Martinez argued.

There's a high probability that she colored her hair right at the end of March because she was going into a new life. It didn't take, but she liked the highlights and kept them for a couple months. she dyed it again to make it fully take. She dyed it on the trip...that's premeditation or it's her trying to look good for Travis--or both.

I don't know when the premeditation started, but i do know she told Flores that she'd known about the Memorial day singing thing since right around the time she moved, and Travis had said he'd come. So I think she had a fantasy that they'd still carry on some type of relationship until it became obvious to her that Travis wasn't trying to visit Yreka.



That's a good catch. I need to go take a closer look at that one. I hadn't noticed.

Amen! Those sex pics have no other business being there - and she presumed they weren't when she left that day. Unless she made a habit of wearing brown haired wigs with braids, and strategically placed the KY bottle in the exact location as a romp from a previous visit (all of course presuming LE ever questioned her, and didn't buy story that she was ever there, and then didn't buy the Ninja story).

I think the reason so many people question whether they had sex that day, is because nobody - I mean NOBODY - wants to believe that Travis let the murderer back into his trust enough to have sex with her. But think of it this way, how many times have people had goodbye sex? I could conceive that this happened grudgingly on his part, maybe him knowing it was a necessary evil to get his book or some other vital manipulative piece of something that Travis felt he needed back from her - and he knew that was her currency. Maybe he had normal urges and felt like he could handle the crazy for a little while longer. The bottom line is, there are only two people who knew exactly what happened, and one was silenced forever. All we have to go on and this point are a few pictures that speak louder than speculation, and hopefully some insight from JM's February book release.

I'll have to go back and read that email and G chat again, they layers upon layers of dishonesty and recreating history with the killer is exhausting!

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[wasnt_me]

I noticed in the June texts (on the Karas on Crime site) that the last text sent by Travis is on June 4th, then his phone continues to receive texts on the 5th and 6th (the last one is from Jodi talking about him depositing her check). Then there's nothing until June 10th. Can any one think of a technical reason why texts from the 7th, 8th and 9th wouldn't show up? People must have been trying to reach him -- particularly Mimi Hall.

Just a comment on "scamming." Back when this first came to light in 2013, I and a lot of other people assumed this referred to something financial. But a number of other posters didn't agree that "scamming" would only be used in cheating someone of money -- that it might refer to any kind of lying or storytelling.

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One time, my phone was on a cruise without me. Don't ask. When I got it back and charged it up, the texts were all dated the day I turned the phone back on. Also, I keep my data off. So when turn it on, if someone sent me a picture, it will say they sent it to me the day i turned the data on--not the real day they sent it.

 

[EquallyDivided]

LMAO, who would want to buy a letter from a butcheress... bet she will be livid when she finds out who sold it, probably one of her "so called" supporters. One page handwritten letter from Arias. Letter is general content and centers around discussion of family not helping her with tasks since her arrest.



http://serialkillersink.net/skistore/jodi-arias-handwritten-letter-and-envelope.html

LOL, This Product is Currently Out of Stock

Hmmm, methinks the appellate fund is probably -$225 since I last checked. The amusing part is, she will question and have paranoia about future letters. I hope it's a complete spiral into delusion.

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[wasnt_me]

She still had credit cards, so she had to be paying something.... This could easily have been several hundred dollars a month, since she still kept credit available. There was the frappuccino bill (I'll bet this was $100 per month). There were her phone charges. I have no idea what they'd be, but several hundred? She's got an expensive camera..... She had all kinds of clothes. She was buying sex supplies. She has a computer, and I'll bet it was up to date. She had several bikinis....

There's the Brazilians ($100 per month?)

She has an internet bill?

She had to have been paying on the car until the last few months, because otherwise they would have repossessed it sooner.

She would have needed the tax return money to cover first weeks in Arizona...

She's traveled to New Mexico, New York, Havasupai.... Yreka for Christmas (this is expensive). She's taking snow pictures...

And I've put no food money in there...

All this stuff is adding up. Incidentals have a way of doing that.....

She evidently didn't qualify for food stamps.....

Amazing she didn't scam the government for food stamps. And I had a frappachino addiction. My ex added it up. In one month, it was $200. He told me I was having one every day at $4.63 per day. I told him he was lying. He added it up and showed me his bank statement. It was eye-opening, and I cut it out.

She was paying Travis back for the trips--remember the $699 check with "airfare" in the memo? I think that was how she got to Yreka for Christmas. She and Travis were not taking trips like they used to by October. I think the only other one was to OKC. She was probably going to pawn his engagement ring when she got to Yreka.

That "airfare" check was pretty big. I can't remember the date on it, but if it was around the time she got fired....

That's why I really think her parents had to do a bail out with the agreement that she had to come home. She wrote in her March journal that she was cleaning out her car at Travis' house because she had to give it back to the bank. So why was she telling Flores in the June 10th phone call that she had to give it back to the bank--again? That's why I wondered if that girl had two cars. Remember that text "I love my car!" that she sent Travis in april or May? One minute, her car was crappy and the next she loves it? We know that car was still under warranty in the fall. Was it new? was it used with an extended warranty? Just like my signature says, "She lie, lie, lies!!!"

ETA--I forgot her solo trip to Vegas in February.....And I'm counting the caverns and roswell with the OKC trip.

 

[wasnt_me]

ullhair: A rickshaw is a mode of transportation.....my fave. Funny that people have started calling me "Rick".

I didn't get the canyons ref....

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cause a problem for you. I always often use the first word of a username, because that's the first part I pay attention to. I've had to figure out when people mean me when they say "WM." I look at it, thinking, "Now, who's initials are WM in the trial....???"

 

[Val1]

JA made several points deliberately in her journal, point by point. These were her defense at the time, in case she was ever questioned by LE.

May 22 journal entry -

-Her new phone arrived.
-They agree to amicably part ways. Travis was against this idea.
-She is not jealous of Mimi and Lisa.
-Travis is waiting for any new development regarding his BMW. Travis told her he may just scrap the BMW but she will never do him wrong.

That BMW mention sticks out like a sore thumb for me.

Because she did not need to mention it but she squeezed it in.
More importantly, she didn't have to plant the payment check (dated May 25) in his office, but she did.

Was she about to receive an insurance pay-out check in her name? And Travis found out about this scam on May 22? Hence it was vital for her to make the payment to show BMW is really her car?

I think the pre-modified G-chat would have included this aspect.

BBM - I wonder if this is the same "new phone" she mentions in the texts between her and TA on BK's site, dated 04/29/08
05:16:50....re the insurance scam, yea I had previously wondered about this possibility too, though the PPL thing still rings somewhat true as a possibility as well. Perhaps she did both.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM
I've never thought of her deleting parts of the May 26 chat. It makes sense now.

For instance, on page 11 of,

https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ja-and-ta-may-26-2008-gmail-chat-transcribed2.pdf

JA suddenly talks about her being a full time bartender after Travis accuses her of evil deeds she has done.
That part bothered me always.

On page 13 too. Danny Jones comes out of nowhere.

No wonder we still don't know what the fight was about.

Also, I believe she erased this G chat from Travis' computer.
She kept this modified version(it matches her fake journal entry) on her side. That's why Me is her and Travis is Travis.

I don't know if you can edit/alter a G-chat once it's concluded. That would be a question for Google. I can imagine google or any messaging service facing a lot of problems if people could do that to make a conversation sound different from the original.

Ryan Burn testified that, one g-chat, you sometimes wind up replying to something four lines up because of internet speed delay and the chatters' typing speed. This the reason I'm not quite sure the person who transcribed it got it in the exact right order. Travis and Jodi were moving from text to chat to email, and I read on Google's chat page that you can reply to a chat as an email. That was interesting to learn. I guess you can do a g-chat with someone and see it if will let you manipulate and alter their words.

The smartest thing for Jodi to have done--if she could access his cell phone--would have been to delete the entire texting thread between her and Travis. Or at least have deleted back to April to make it as if they hadn't talked since she left. She didn't. Why not?

There's a possibility that after May 25-26th, travis changed the password and told the browser not to automatically log in. I hope he changed them after she went in and "stole" an email to Lisa. I don't even know how you steal an email, though....Flores said Mimi told him this in his supplemental report:

"She knew Travis spoke to Jodi sometime last week. Travis called Jodi because he caught her hacking into on of his email or facebook accounts and confronted her about it. " Page 6.

"Last week" is June 2-3rd. I'm gonna guess that "last week" might be when he told Mimi what had happened the week prior, which would be the 26th of May.

I do recall that Skye and Chris got his email password by guessing that it was the same as his website. Isn't that accurate? And in the texts between Travis and Sean, Travis does give Sean a password. May 5th, he said to use Denver77 and Riverside for the birth city.

I don't know if that's the password to the site or the password to access the account on the webhost's site (dreamhost), though. If that's the password to the actual site, then maybe he didn't change his gmail password after may 26th??? Why not?

We can safely guess she didn't monkey with his accounts after June 4th.

I'd think, if she was smart, she wouldn't aggravate him by doing it between the 26th and the 3rd.

So that leaves accessing it directly from his laptop on June 4th.

The reasons I think she didn't delete things on June 4th:

1. Time. I believe Travis was alive until 5:30. So I don't believe she had time or the inclination to have him catch her. I can't imagine he'd let her around the computer unattended while he was alive or that she'd risk him waking up and catching her on it. But I also can't imagine that he wouldn't change all passwords immediately, even voicemail.

2. Her conversation with Flores. She told him, while on the phone, that she did not hack into his facebook or email. She gave him the "backspace" excuse. He told her that they'd be able to tell if she did it from Yreka. She then said, "I'm telling you right now I did." And she narrowed the time that she did it fro Yreka to the 25-26th timeframe. She followed it up by warning him that he'd see mean things in the g-chats, etc. So it's a no-brainer that she didn't touch anything after the 10th.

3. If she was erasing "parts" of g-chats, why not erase "I know you stole Lisa's email," or the tire-slashing accusations?

Truly, why not erase their text thread? It's on there that she admits royally screwing the pooch. I personally think she didn't because she wasn't looking to get rid of anything incriminating but her presence. It would take two seconds to scroll down his phone and delete their entire text thread--if she could access the phone, meaning she knew the code to unlock it or he didn't keep it locked.

I looked up G-chats. It says:

You can adjust your chat history settings in Gmail at any time. In Google Chat, you can turn individual chats off the record, but you cannot turn chat history off for all of your chats.

Keep in mind that if you've disabled chat history saving, people you chat with may still choose to save chat histories in their Gmail settings. If you would prefer that someone you're talking to doesn't save your chat, you can take the conversation off the record. If you're talking to someone who is connected to the network with a desktop chat client, it's possible that his or her software is keeping a separate copy of the chat history.​

https://support.google.com/chat/answer/29290?hl=en

So an answer could be that she turned the chat to "off record" in the middle of the chat. That's the only thing I can think of that MIGHT keep the first part of the chat on record, but take the rest of it off record.

I'm assuming Jodi couldn't be in Travis' chats at the same time he was, so she had to be reading them in history. Maybe that's how she got caught. She logged into his account while he was in there, and it logged him out. Either that, or after enough guessing of his password, google alerted him. Or he went to the Lisa email, but it was deleted. Did he ever send it? Maybe it was just in his "drafts" and Jodi deleted it.

:thinking:

 

[wasnt_me]

JA made several points deliberately in her journal, point by point. These were her defense at the time, in case she was ever questioned by LE.

May 22 journal entry -

-Her new phone arrived.
-They agree to amicably part ways. Travis was against this idea.
-She is not jealous of Mimi and Lisa.
-Travis is waiting for any new development regarding his BMW. Travis told her he may just scrap the BMW but she will never do him wrong.

That BMW mention sticks out like a sore thumb for me.

Because she did not need to mention it but she squeezed it in.
More importantly, she didn't have to plant the payment check (dated May 25) in his office, but she did.

Was she about to receive an insurance pay-out check in her name? And Travis found out about this scam on May 22? Hence it was vital for her to make the payment to show BMW is really her car?

I think the pre-modified G-chat would have included this aspect.

Yes, as I said i the last thread, she wrote them after talking to Flores on June 10th. The things she says correlate with what she told him down, to the BMW, the passwords, jealousy, etc. Listen to her June 10th call with Flores and read what she wrote on the last days of the journal. She almost uses the same language. Which is why I think also that her "give the car back to the bank" journal entry is hinky. She said that same phrase to Flores in June.

I'm not sure google will let you modify a gchat's history. Just like I can't go in and modify texts to me or from me on my phone.

 

[wasnt_me]

Amen! Those sex pics have no other business being there - and she presumed they weren't when she left that day. Unless she made a habit of wearing brown haired wigs with braids, and strategically placed the KY bottle in the exact location as a romp from a previous visit (all of course presuming LE ever questioned her, and didn't buy story that she was ever there, and then didn't buy the Ninja story).

I think the reason so many people question whether they had sex that day, is because nobody - I mean NOBODY - wants to believe that Travis let the murderer back into his trust enough to have sex with her. But think of it this way, how many times have people had goodbye sex? I could conceive that this happened grudgingly on his part, maybe him knowing it was a necessary evil to get his book or some other vital manipulative piece of something that Travis felt he needed back from her - and he knew that was her currency. Maybe he had normal urges and felt like he could handle the crazy for a little while longer. The bottom line is, there are only two people who knew exactly what happened, and one was silenced forever. All we have to go on and this point are a few pictures that speak louder than speculation, and hopefully some insight from JM's February book release.

I'll have to go back and read that email and G chat again, they layers upon layers of dishonesty and recreating history with the killer is exhausting!

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I agree. I had a hard time with it until it happened to me like 3 years later (in 2011). So with that experience, I definitely get that he'd have sex with her. Like I said before, he tells us in the g-chat that it only takes hearing her voice. Imagine her looking hot in person after two months. Seeing someone you love and are attracted to face-to-face after months apart is an emotional moment.

And I agree. There's no need to premeditate pics when she thought "wasn't me" was a good alibi (hence my screenname. Secrets revealed.) The alibi was actually terrible because she was accused before Flores even got on the scene. He couldn't even say, "I'm detective Flores..." before he heard all about the tires, the facebook, the stalking, and the doggie door.

BTW, if their relationship was such a big secret, why all the gas cans and hair dye? If Travis wanted their dealings a secret, she could have showed up in the Muppets' travelling bus and he wouldn't have told any of his friends she was on the way. But everything they knew about the relationship proved that it was no dirty little secret at all.

And if her alibi is that she was never there, deleting the photos goes that alibi. I believe she also deleted texts and she must have been on pins and needles wondering if the police could recover the texts like they did the photos. Note that she tells Flores on June 10 that she texted Travis on June 3rd, but there are no texts to support that.

I don't believe the photos were part of the original plan, which was why she didn't put enough thought into taking the memory card. Because Enrique was home, she couldn't stab Travis in his sleep or shoot him and rush out. And I think Zack wasn't there. He was housing sitting. He'd been there Monday at the parents' house. He'd been home Tuesday at Travis' house. It makes sense that he'd spend the next night house-sitting. After all, what did he have to clean up on Wednesday? He left a mess all the way on Monday and didn't clean it? Some housesitter. And Zack couldn't have seen Travis wednesday, going to pick up his girlfriend if she was on the cruise. If she wasn't on the cruise, why is he "housesitting" because she lived with her parents. Sounds like some "Amanda sitting," if you ask me--or he picked Amanda up coming back from the cruise on Thursday.

What doesn't make sense is the roommates left that dog gate laying on the floor in front of the stairs for a week.

 

[RickshawFan]

LMAO, who would want to buy a letter from a butcheress... bet she will be livid when she finds out who sold it, probably one of her "so called" supporters. One page handwritten letter from Arias. Letter is general content and centers around discussion of family not helping her with tasks since her arrest.



http://serialkillersink.net/skistore/jodi-arias-handwritten-letter-and-envelope.html

It's been sold, too. Evidently, a done deal. Wahaha! She just put more evidence of the "real Jodi" out there!

 

[RickshawFan]

i wasn't meaning the last activity all day. Sorry for the confusion. The post I was replying to was talking about his morning computer activities at the time Jodi arrived. The last documented time in the afternoon is either 4:24pm or 4:54pm, according to testimony. They said both times and no lawyer corrected it. It was either in Melendez or Dworkin's testimony.



Jodi wasn't signing people up. The only people you see her write in her journal that she got, she gave to Travis--i believe those people helped him qualify for Cancun. she likes to brag that she was doing all this background work for him with PPL, and according to the texts, she was apart of the buying memberships thing you bring up.

Jodi was getting $12.50 an hour from Travis to clean, but I don't know how many hours he'd pay her for per time. I'm guessing 2, for $25 per cleaning. She was waiting tables, which I don't know what the tips could be like at her restaurants.

I don't know what she was doing. You'd think with all the PPL notes, she'd be an executive director! And maybe she was--in her own mind. :facepalm:

There was something going down in those restaurants that we don't know about.... For some reason, she was no longer hire-able except in Yreka..... This is why I'm thinking a manager caught her in criminal activity, notified the police, and then declined to press charges. This made it impossible for her to get another job. Maybe this will come out in JM's book.

 

[Hope4More]

JA made several points deliberately in her journal, point by point. These were her defense at the time, in case she was ever questioned by LE.

May 22 journal entry -


That BMW mention sticks out like a sore thumb for me.

Because she did not need to mention it but she squeezed it in.
More importantly, she didn't have to plant the payment check (dated May 25) in his office, but she did.

Was she about to receive an insurance pay-out check in her name? And Travis found out about this scam on May 22? Hence it was vital for her to make the payment to show BMW is really her car?

I think the pre-modified G-chat would have included this aspect.

Not sure about insurance scam idea. Interesting thought. And it would be info the defense would have pretty readily been able to get excluded (say, her insurance company indicating they had been ready to pay out to her, not Travis).


FWIW- what she told Flores about the BMW in June...


June 21 or 25 –Flores phone interview with the killer

24:16
DF: What’s the situation with the car that was, somebody mentioned a BMW
JA: Yeah. I’m buying his BMW.

DF: Okay because we found a check, it was written by you to him, I think it was last month.

JA: Mmm hmm.. Yeah. Yeah, I recently just mailed him a check. Um…he…I know as a matter of a few other things. He um…I’m making payments to him.

24:40
DF: Okay. Hang on. You still have that car right now?

JA: No. It’s actually not in my possession. I did the dumbest thing. Um…I went and hooked it up to the U-Haul. Everything was cool and set to go. I got the dolly (?) that where the back wheels are on the ground because it was cheaper, and the U-Haul guy said, “Okay, drive it up here. Okay, Stop, Brake,” and everything was cool, and I stopped the car and turned it off.
Got out of the car with the door open so they could look at everything and they shut the door and said, “You’re good to go,” and I took off, and this is going to sound really dumb, and I realize now this is not how you tow a car, but I left it in first gear.

25:12
DF: Yeah.

JA: and I started heading down the highway and I blew the engine to smithereens. So it’s sitting at Wes’ Auto something last time I checked and uh…they’ve been acting really nice about keeping it until Travis figures out what he can do.
We called lawyers about it, and my lawyer said um…you know, have your insurance fix it, and his lawyer said your insurance might not fix it because it might be considered mechanical so that’s the last we talked about it.
We’ve been um… He’s been real busy and hasn’t had a lot of time to attend to it, and I have a vehicle right now but not for much longer because I have to give it back to the bank, and so…um…you know.

25:56
DF: When did you mail that payment, the end of May?
JA: Uh…it was a few weeks ago. Yeah. It must have been.

DF: Okay. So you’re still making payments for that?

JA: Oh, yeah. In fact, that’s my first payment because I just…We just did this car deal like right before I moved, and we’ve been…
Oh! We have a buyer’s agreement, too, I think, that I checked out and emailed to him um…but uh…We have … like he said just get on your feet, you know, and then start making payments, and the agreement was x amount per month whenever I get paid, so…I finally got a job and …
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(Chris Hughes has said the killer called T’s executor claiming Travis had sold her the car; he asked for proof, she sent a buyer’s agreement email she claimed she”d sent to T, who had agreed to it. Chris said the email was obviously fraudulent. She was refused the car)


26:35
DF: What…was $200 the amount?

JA: Yeah. It was $100 a month from then on, and if I could pay more, pay more please, you know.

 

[Hope4More]

My point is that she knew the video. She knew what they were doing in the video. She watched the video. My point is also that a lot can happen even in just one minute, and we have no idea when she could have come into the house. She could have even gotten there at at 3:44am. Or 3:53am. or 4:01am We don't know.

ETA--For example about time, someone can run a mile in 7 minutes. The current record holder is 3:43 minutes. There are meals out there that people can prepare in 10 minutes. You're imagining an argument ensued. I'm imagining a deleted text that said, "listen, I'm here. I had to go to Rachel's (or whoever's house) I'm gonna drop off your journals and handwritten chapters and keep right on going. I can't waste time. I have to be in utah by x time."

Killer to Flores: He was watching something on You Tube, some stupid video. He’s like, “You gotta’ see this,”
and I’m watching and I’m like, “This is so boring. What’s the point of that?” He’s like, “Just stupid, pointless stuff.”
I’m like, “Okay.” I guess everyone’s got to have their time to veg out being so driven and deep as he is for business, which is fine that he watches stuff like that.


The YouTube video “Daft Bodies- Harder, Stronger…” was played 3 times on the early morning of June 4. The video lasts exactly 3.42 minutes.

It was played at: 4:08 am, then at 4:11 am, then at 4:15am.

I agree with you a lot can happen in a few minutes, and that we don’t know when she arrived at T’s house. I’m not entirely sure what we are disagreeing about relating to the video watching, or if we are at all.

What I’ve said-- and feel sure about- is that she did NOT arrive while Travis was watching these videos, and it is this specific video she says Travis was watching when she arrived.

 

[Hope4More]

Her sources of income...


Mimi's is kinda an upscale restaurant, but she worked a lunch shift there, which meant less in tips. I worked as a waitress at a similar restaurant back in the day, to put myself through undergraduate school. Even back then, I averaged $40-50 in tips per lunch shift, and $100-125 per dinner shift. And BTW- I was a truly crappy waitress.

She also worked in Mesa as a caregiver of some kind to a family. I have no idea what that paid.

She "earned" around $200 a month cleaning T's house.

I don't what if anything she earned from PPL, but she did transfer at least a handful of accounts or whatever to T that month he almost didn't make quota, so she had to have sold a few units here and there. And fwiw, she DID win a PPL trip for her sales early on (before Mesa) so maybe she had some incoming monthly residual income?

She had regular access to T's ATM card. Hmm.

She was in touch with Gus S. very regularly. Hmm.

In late summer early fall 2007 she wrote in her journal about online scams- commenting how many there were and such. Hmm.