Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[SuziQ]

LE was quick to call this a homicide. IMO, that indicates that the scene was a violent one. If it was some type of poisoning, they would probably wait for the ME results before calling this a homicide.

 

[SuziQ]

The LE call was probably made by an innocent employee/employees arriving for work and stepping into a murder scene.( most likely) Whether they used the office landline or their own cell phone really doesn't matter. If a wounded dying victim made that call, it really doesn't matter what phone they used, but if the killer made that call........I betcha they used the office landline...... moo..... How did the victims arrive, in what order, and how did the killer arrive and leave is what has me wondering ??...moo

Had anyone mapped this location out? Wonder if there is a back way in?

 

[cody22]

Emph. mine

Agreed !

Since cameras caught the person's truck on Mon. am and the work vehicle leaving, then there's a record of who else arrived earlier or the day/night before ?
Or if it was deleted, maybe the bowling alley that was mentioned upthread ?
Also it's foolish for LE to say there's no danger to the public.
Until they've caught the creep.... then, yes, there's danger and people should be wary.

I think that 7am truck arriving was possibly the intended target and last victim, Mr. Fagler. I think that 7:04am Company truck was the killer leaving. I just wonder if he rode to work with one or two of the other victims and if he had a cell phone on him so his movements could and can be tracked ?.....moo

 

[human]

That's what I'm wondering. I might be overthinking this, but the reports say LE looked at the neighboring businesses video and didn't see any vehicles from 10pm the previous night until 7am Monday morning. I think I have that right.

Well....when and how did the VICTIMS arrive at the location?

Were they in the office Sunday night??

Perhaps the driver of the truck never entered the office that morning so didn't know anything happened - just simply got into the work truck and left? (That does seem a bit odd...you'd think you check in with someone, but perhaps not).

I definitely want to know when the victims arrived.

jmo

Great points. If they open for business at 8, I can see arriving at 7 to get things done.

So when did they arrive!

 

[cody22]

Great points. If they open for business at 8, I can see arriving at 7 to get things done.

So when did they arrive!

And why weren't they on that CCTV video ?.......Something is wrong or off kelter about that video info we have been told...moo

 

[Inthedetails]

Okay, I was making dinner and had another brainstorm....

What if the killer is the person who had the heart attack? That would explain the call for medical help and explain why LE says the public is not in danger - but LE is still investigating so not ready to release info.

Hmmmm...this seemed like a better idea when I was in the kitchen than it does now that I type it, lol! But, thought I'd toss the idea out there - maybe it will trigger a better idea in someone else about how the scenario played out in the building.

jmo

 

[NickoD]

Had anyone mapped this location out? Wonder if there is a back way in?

While the map does not show the office yet, the news reports confirm tons of open fields behind the business. A killer or killers on foot could go completely undetected.

 

[Inthedetails]

And why weren't they on that CCTV video ?.......Something is wrong or off kelter about that video info we have been told...moo

I think you're right.

Or, there is another way into the building that isn't captured on the other business's video.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

I think that 7am truck arriving was possibly the intended target and last victim, Mr. Fagler. I think that 7:04am Company truck was the killer leaving. I just wonder if he rode to work with one or two of the other victims and if he had a cell phone on him so his movements could and can be tracked ?.....moo

That makes sense.

Still need to figure out who made the 911 call. Victim? Employee arriving?

jmo

 

[Tillicum]

LE was quick to call this a homicide. IMO, that indicates that the scene was a violent one. If it was some type of poisoning, they would probably wait for the ME results before calling this a homicide.

It seemed to take them about 12 hours to identify the 4 victims too. I would think it wouldn't take nearly that long. I don't mean identify them publicly, just ID them for the investigation and notifying family.

 

[cody22]

Okay, I was making dinner and had another brainstorm....

What if the killer is the person who had the heart attack? That would explain the call for medical help and explain why LE says the public is not in danger - but LE is still investigating so not ready to release info.

Hmmmm...this seemed like a better idea when I was in the kitchen than it does now that I type it, lol! But, thought I'd toss the idea out there - maybe it will trigger a better idea in someone else about how the scenario played out in the building.

jmo

Then the most likely person to have been the killer was <modsnip> but...... who was in that arriving 7am truck and who left in that 7:04 am Company truck ?....moo

 

[cody22]

That makes sense.

Still need to figure out who made the 911 call. Victim? Employee arriving?

jmo

I bet an arriving employee/employees walked into a nightmare....moo

 

[NickoD]

I bet an arriving employee/employees walked into a nightmare....moo

I dunno on that one. If it was an employee that would mean that the scene they came across was not a massacre but looked like a medical issue. So no visible injuries.

 

[Inthedetails]

I dunno on that one. If it was an employee that would mean that the scene they came across was not a massacre but looked like a medical issue. So no visible injuries.

Are we putting too much emphasis on the medical call for help? Do we know what was said on the 911 call....maybe the person calling was in a panic and didn't relay the true situation accurately? Or maybe the person calling only noticed the heart attack victim and not the others until later?

IDK.

We need an accurate timeline, 911 call info, etc. Seems like this LE might be the tight-lipped type.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Are we putting too much emphasis on the medical call for help? Do we know what was said on the 911 call....maybe the person calling was in a panic and didn't relay the true situation accurately? Or maybe the person calling only noticed the heart attack victim and not the others until later?

IDK.

We need an accurate timeline, 911 call info, etc. Seems like this LE might be the tight-lipped type.

jmo

Hell, forget “tight-lipped,” they might as well be mute.

You might be right, and we are reading too much into the medical call for help.

We need more information!

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh....another brainstorm.

Could the "medical call" be a call from a safety-alert necklace - one of those buttons that people wear? Maybe a victim was able to press the button s/he wore, which triggered a medical call, but didn't go through a regular 911 call. And that's why medical arrived instead of police.

Maybe?

jmo

edited to clarify and fix wrong word

 

[Mercedes]

My turn to stand corrected.

So we could assume the murders took place between Sunday night and Monday morning. I would really love to know the time of their arrival at the office and how they all arrived. Thank you Mercedes!

NickoD,

Welcome to Websleuths!

From everyone here.

 

[lonetraveler]

I bet an arriving employee/employees walked into a nightmare....moo

Surely if the driver of the personal vehicle was the driver in the company vehicle leaving at 7:04 am LE would have already id'd the driver by now if that driver was innocently just going to work. He would have certainly returned to pick up his personal truck before going home for the day. If he has not been seen, then it definitely looks like he may be involved.

 

[eucalyptuz]

Chief Ziegler: “...a special kind of evil...”
Hard to think what kind of situation would put those words in his mouth.
Video: Mandan Police Department Chief Jason Ziegler on mystery deaths in North Dakota

 

[NickoD]

Are we putting too much emphasis on the medical call for help? Do we know what was said on the 911 call....maybe the person calling was in a panic and didn't relay the true situation accurately? Or maybe the person calling only noticed the heart attack victim and not the others until later?

IDK.

We need an accurate timeline, 911 call info, etc. Seems like this LE might be the tight-lipped type.

jmo

I am going off my experience as prior cop. Any call that's a hangup/unsure/obvious threat or crime would trigger police response in addition to medical. We also tend to like our EMTs and fire dawgs (sometimes ) so we don't want to send them into harm's way either if the scene is not secure.

I guess if someone did call in for help with a potential crime and dispatch sent only medical then this would be an epic fail of the system.