Sexual behavior - Merged and Closed

[ANGRYWOLF]

the police can tell someone they regard as a suspect virtually anything...any lie they choose.They can say a witness saw that person commit the crime...that evidence was found there..anything.That's well known Dave.Happens all the time. So the Denver PD could tell John Ramsey they found fibers from his clothes at the scene..his dna at the scene..anything...in order to get a confession.Police cannot be disbarred.:banghead:

 

[BBB167893]

I was hoping you'd say that, AngryWolf!

It wasn't the police. It was a lawyer. Three: Michael Kane, Bruce Levin, and Mitch Morrissey. To which I add:

the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct state: Rule 4.1 Truthfulness in Statements to Others "In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly: a) make a false or misleading statement of fact or law to a third person; or(b) fail to disclose a material fact to a third person when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by a client, unless disclosure is prohibited by Rule 1.6. COMMENT Misrepresentation A lawyer is required to be truthful when dealing with others on a client's behalf, but generally has no affirmative duty to inform an opposing party of relevant facts. A misrepresentation can occur if the lawyer incorporates or affirms a statement of another person that the lawyer knows is false. Misrepresentations can also occur by failure to act."

HA!

Jordan fades back! He shoots! SWOOSH! And the crowd goes bananas!

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

Like I pointed out....if the Ramseys were interviewed..again and again..when does it stop ?Why should they have to put up with unlimited/countless interviews ? Would you want to have to relieve that pain just because the police didn't want to believe what you were telling them ? At a point it ceases to be an interview and becomes torturing of the parents..
and if you choose not to believe the court tv.com sites info..why should anybody believe the site you posted ? Could it be you reject the court tv.com site..call it garbage..because it doesn't agree with your view..and you prefer the crime magazine site because it agrees with your theory/belief that the Ramseys did it. Hardly objective friend...:dance:

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

you should have said attorneys. Who did these attorneys work for ? and as we know from DA Nifong and the Duke Lacrosse case......attorneys have hid/concealed evidence..heck Nancy Grace was accused and found guilty of concealing evidence from a defendant in a case she prosecuted in GA...she was reprimanded by the Georgia State Supreme Court for doing so.She might have trouble practicing law in GA should she ever decide to return to doing it. I think you double dribbled friend..Smile.:crazy:

 

[Show Me]

Like I pointed out....if the Ramseys were interviewed..again and again..when does it stop ?Why should they have to put up with unlimited/countless interviews ? Would you want to have to relieve that pain just because the police didn't want to believe what you were telling them ? At a point it ceases to be an interview and becomes torturing of the parents..
and if you choose not to believe the court tv.com sites info..why should anybody believe the site you posted ? Could it be you reject the court tv.com site..call it garbage..because it doesn't agree with your view..and you prefer the crime magazine site because it agrees with your theory/belief that the Ramseys did it. Hardly objective friend...:dance:

Yeah on the CNN interview, six days after JonBenet was murdered, John said he'd cooperate with the police....trouble was those pesky lawyers John hired wouldn't let him clear his name and it took months to negotiate an interview. First the Ramseys wanted it to take place not at the police station, no more than 2 hours, Patsy's doctor in attendance and so on. The FBI told the Boulder police not to do it, people trying to 'clear' themselves do not dictate terms to the investigating authorities.

Merrick alone, one of John's old employees was interrogated three times by the cops and said HE'D take a lie detector when John Ramsey took one. Merrick also wondered why John was NOT going through the same process Merrick was forced to go through...special treatment of course when you have lawyers who are former business partners of the DA!

 

[Show Me]

no all the evidence doesn't point to the Ramseys.That's a myth...The Ramseys were persons of interests...the term frequently used...because..sadly..parents do kill their own children...so it was based upon statistics.....Others were not seriously considered or investigated because of police inexperience and incompetence...

Funny even Hunter said the Ramseys were 'under the umbrella' of suspicion...

Yeah the evidence doesn't all point to the Ramseys....except Patsy's pen, notepad, paintbrush, rambling 3 page ransom note that resembles Patsy's handwriting more than anyone else, with her phrases and intimate knowledge of the household...

...oh wait the intruder did leave a sample of DEGRADED DNA! I'm surprised the 'intruder' knew how to degrade his/her DNA so quickly!

 

[Show Me]

john went to a shop allegation...

alleged mistress said John did it...

I don't believe those allegations either, after all the nutz come out in a case like this...just look at Karr!

 

[icedtea4me]

Sections on allegation/lack of cooperation/refusing to be interviewed....

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorio...egations_4.html

all were/are false....

Well, John did say that they (he and Patsy) spoke with the police for 8 hours on the 26th, so I guess one could say they cooperated.





Oh, wait just a minute... It looks like John is referring to the 6 a.m. - 2 p.m. time frame when, for the first seven hours or so, it was a kidnapping. So, for John Ramsey to state they spoke with the police for eight hours on the 26th regarding JonBenet's murder is rather disingenuous on John's part.


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

Yeah on the CNN interview, six days after JonBenet was murdered, John said he'd cooperate with the police....trouble was those pesky lawyers John hired wouldn't let him clear his name and it took months to negotiate an interview. First the Ramseys wanted it to take place not at the police station, no more than 2 hours, Patsy's doctor in attendance and so on. The FBI told the Boulder police not to do it, people trying to 'clear' themselves do not dictate terms to the investigating authorities.

And they wanted to be interviewed together.

Detective: Mrs. Ramsey, when was the last time saw JonBenet before she was killed?

Patsy: I last saw JonBenet at 10 p.m. Isn't that right, John?

John: Oh, absolutely.


-Tea

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

I was talkiing about police interviews...I don't know where some of you are getting thoat inaccurate information.More urban myths I guess.What's that old expression..you tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. That certainly seems to be true in this case. Some of you get hold of this stuff..believe it with a certitude that's frightening when you've never tried to establish what the facts are..because YOU WANT the RAMSEYS TO BE GUILTY...:truce:

PERSONS OF INTERST..UMBRELLA OF SUSPICION..CALL IT WHATEVER..doesn't mean they did it..if police were 100 percent correct in the people they arrested then that poor guy the State of TN paid $180,000 too would have never been in prison to begin with..he would never have been arrested much less convicted...:doh: There's a case in Oklahoma..where two people went to prison for murder..turned out the dna evidence ..when it was finally tested..wasn't from them..but was from the guy who testified for the prosecution against them...oh well.I guess police..especially those as inexperienced as the Boulder PD ..are always right..Right ?:hand:

 

[icedtea4me]

I'm still waiting to hear a motive if you think the Ramseys did it.

Ticking time bomb motive- Patsy's hidden fear of her cancer returning/JonBenet seperating from her. Trigger motive- Patsy catching John and JonBenet engaged in a sexual act.


-Tea

 

[Nehemiah]

HA HA...true! The Ramsey's would lead everyone to believe that Keebler Elves came in, using their elfin magic and killed JB, if they thought that people would believe it. (IMO)

Don't laugh...there was actually an elf theory here a couple of years ago. Seriously.

Angrywolf, were you formerly in LE?

 

[icedtea4me]

John Ramsey stated on Larry King Live in May 2000 that he and Patsy spoke with the police for eight hours on the 26th. I pointed out that for him to let others think that they spoke with the police for eight hours about JonBenet's murder was disingenuous.


-Tea

 

[coloradokares]

that sounds like someone who is convinced the Ramseys killed Jon Bent..something someone like that would say....and not someone concerned with proof or evidence... Results of exams like that are used in sexual abuse cases every day...so why would anybody risk going to the doctor who was abusing their own child ? Yes I read where the doctor allegedly says he never did an internal exam. But how could the parents know the doctor wouldn't do one if they were molesting Jon Benet.
I find it funny....someone wants to doubt I exist ? Angrywolf is one of my names..I have had others...McHighlander was one.......Jay wants to doubt me..well go ahead Jay.Doubt away...if you want to make this personal then enjoy yourself...You seem to want to get all emotional over this.I don't believe this has to do with you protecting the posters.I think it simply has to do with your own ego...I'm certainly not here to stir things up.Why would I care to do that ? I'm not here to gain approval or attention. I've offered to discuss the case and I appreciate people like SuperDave who have taken me up on it.You could do the same Jay.
Whether you own or rent a house...can you be sure where you were inside it on any given day ? Can you always say..well at 2 o'clock I was in this room and at 3 pm I was I that room..etc etc.I don't know if being wrong about where you were in your own home means you killed your own daughter.
I have a daughter. How many of you who are convinced Patsy killed Jon Benet have children ?You have any kids Jay ? Don't be offended. Simply curious. Statistics aside....a lot of children are killed/molested by strangers/nonfamily as well..Polly Klass was an example...the Groen children were examples...the parents were also killed in that one so they weren't around to be suspects...You simply can't say that the parents are the only people who kill children...Yes look at the parents..but don't focus on them to the exclusion of all else. The Boulder police didn't even look at any other possibilities..and some of you aren't either because you're convinced Patsy did it/John did it/Burke did it or some combination of them did it.
I'm still waiting to hear a motive if you think the Ramseys did it. How do you garrotte someone by accident ?:waitasec: Douglas has a slide..of Jon Benet with the garrotte around her neck and yes he showed it to us in Nashville. Absolutely terrible. Do you have the fortitude to do that to your own child ? Obviously some of you think Patsy does/did. I don't see she had the psychopathology to do it.:slap:

Nusiance Poster many times has posted that the Boulder Police looked at other names. Including all those the Ramseys requested they look at. It is not true in my opinion the only one looked at was the Ramseys. Do we have the fortitude to do this to their own child. No probably not but its done every day. It does not take fortitude it takes extreme cowardice to do something like lets say Susan Smith and try to hide it. I would value your opinion on the Psycopathology if your parchment is framed with the right ph.d's Other than that how can we offer more than a good guess. JMHO. I think however a special prosecutors office need be appointed to get to the real truth of the evidence. That should be what we all RDI or IDI would want correct?

 

[narlacat]

suspects....that simply isn't true...they may have done so since Laci became DA after the case was taken away from the Boulder PD...but not when the PD had charge of it.That's probably LE propaganda distributed so as to cause suspicion on the Ramseys..the old" only they could have done it method". Heck..they didn't even bother to interview convicted child molesters/pedophiles who lived in the area....

Whoopsie, you are right, it was a typo, I added an extra '0' sorry!

<<narlacat..the police didn't look at anyone else..and I remember you as well..this must be old home time ..with jay and now you here..I am sure you don't remember me either..from courttv.com..but I hope you will..unlike someone else..accept my word I was there...>>

Hiya Wolfie

The police did.

Sorry, I don't remember you, Ive seen your name here a bit lately but I don't know you from anywhere else, or Jay for that matter, you must be getting me mixed up with someone else, I've never even read at courttv.com, let alone post there.

I don't understand the last sentence of yours (that I've highlighted) if it means that much to you, I believe you! (that you were at courttv.com)

 

[Show Me]

I was talkiing about police interviews...I don't know where some of you are getting thoat inaccurate information.More urban myths I guess.What's that old expression..you tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. That certainly seems to be true in this case. Some of you get hold of this stuff..believe it with a certitude that's frightening when you've never tried to establish what the facts are..because YOU WANT the RAMSEYS TO BE GUILTY...:truce:

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Urban myths? Urban myths like the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation was going to sponsor legislation to change child kidnapping law? Didn't do anything to help children other than giving to the Ramsey's own church and Ramsey kids summercamp.

Urban myths? That intruders only shed minute degraded DNA?

Urban myths? When John and Patsy claimed for years Burke was asleep that morning then finally admitted he was awake?

I think YOU want the Ramseys to be INNOCENT....wether they are or not.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

I would certainly PREFER they be innocent..Kinda disturbs me that a parent would kill their own child..as a parent I am bothered by that...I hope others would be...BUT..I realize it does happen and I want justice for those children...I'm just asking to prove it..PROVE IT...not liking the charities the Ramseys donate to..is not relevant to their guilt or innocence...Burke being awake or asleep is not relevant...if he didn't do it...so your complaining about those things..taking shots at the Ramseys because of that...it's so marginal and irrelevant..:waitasec: it just doesn't prove ANYTHING....:laugh:

 

[Show Me]

Your are correct Angrywolf....John's lying on national tv about his bogus charity has nothing to do with the murder....it's a character thing....showing only the lack of integrity and truthfulness on the Ramsey's part.

Silly me, I ought to consider John can deceive us with lies on one issue and be completely truthful on another issue.

 

[santos1014]

You mean like masturbating with a saxophone in front of a group of seniors?


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HUH?!?!? seniors as in elderly or as in 12th grade? WHAT? huh?Explain yourself young man!!

Trying to figure out if Dave was being sarcastic or serious...so hard to tell with him sometimes with that biting wit. LOL

 

[Nuisanceposter]

No, he's dead serious. Seniors as in elderly people. There was a clip of JonBenet doing a routine and rubbing a saxophone between her legs in a movement that suggested sexual pleasure on an episode of Geraldo years ago. I haven't seen the clip, but somewhere in my list of links I have some transcript from the show. Let me look for it...here you go:

Raoul Felder: Do any highlights from the tapes you studied stand out in your mind?

Densen-Gerber: On Dec. 23rd, JonBenet is dressed as a little elf doing a show for senior citizens. She picks up a saxophone and, for the next minute-and-a-half, she masturbates with it.

Judge Katz: What is the significance of that?

Densen-Gerber: That's a sexually stimulated child. At six years old, you're not going to put a saxophone between your legs and rub it back and forth.