Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

[lymom3]

My mind keeps coming back to the threats. If you are planning on killing your family setting up a scenario where some crazed person is threatening
them would be one place to start. I just don't know that I believe anyone besides Chris is behind that.

 

[Carrington]

Possibly we will find out, Joyce M is behind the hiring of the Attorneys.
From what we have read, CC wouldn't have the means. IF he did this for money, it's gone now if he retained the attorneys. Pointless deaths again.
(I should also say IF he did this horrible crime)
IMO

 

[SuziQ]

Eleven hours runs contrary to reports that neighbors allegedly hear "screaming" from the Coleman home around 3 a.m. The bodies were discovered at approximately 7 a.m. .. four hours later.

I am disturbed to see so much focus on the husband leaving out the critical information that he had been receiving threats in association with his job at Joyce Meyer Ministries. Joyce Meyer has received death threats herself.

It is not totally out of the realm of reasoning that Coleman's family was somehow threatened and the message scrawled on the wall seems to bear that out ... "I told you this would happen"

It appears only one poster has made mention of this crucial piece of information.

(Excerpt)

"The former Marine military police officer works in security for Joyce Meyer Ministries, a worldwide television evangelist organization in nearby Jefferson County.

Neighbors said he had told them in the past of receiving threatening letters related to his work for Meyer.

On Tuesday, Connor said that the Coleman family had called the police in the past but declined to be very specific. "It was just some ... there was some interaction between an unknown individual and them that was suspicious in nature." He said it wasn't necessarily about a crime but that "they contacted police and wanted to document some incidents."
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...4826560E9F97109B862575AE00105849?OpenDocument

It's disturbing to see the rush to judgment to implicate the father so forcefully in light of the above information.

Welcome to WS! I hear what you are saying, but alot of us have been around these parts and similar for years and in some cases decades. There are things that in cases like this that just don't pass the smell test. And plenty in this case does not pass the smell test. Have we been wrong in the past? Absolutely, but rarely. Besides, we aren't going anywhere LE isn't. The only difference is, LE isn't publicly voicing what they are thinking.

Also more than one poster has discussed what you referred to in your post.

 

[analytical]

Welcome to WS! I hear what you are saying, but alot of us have been around these parts and similar for years and in some cases decades. There are things that in cases like this that just don't pass the smell test. And plenty in this case does not pass the smell test. Have we been wrong in the past? Absolutely, but rarely. Besides, we aren't going anywhere LE isn't. The only difference is, LE isn't publicly voicing what they are thinking.

Also more than one poster has discussed what you referred to in your post.

I've gone through the entire thread and I have only seen one reference.

I have no problem admitting I'm wrong ... I just don't think Coleman murdered his family.

If the allegation of the affair is true, someone could have "threatened" to spill the proverbial beans .. that someone could have been someone who also had a grudge against the ministry or some action Coleman took in employment as security for the ministry such as blocking access to the JMM property to an employee who had been "released/fired" or any number of scenarios where he had to make an "executive" decision, if you will, in his duty as head of security.

Remember that he travels with the ministry as well. There are many likely possibitilies of someone being "disgruntled" with Coleman's decisions in his capactiy .. even down to something as simple as being denied access to a JMM conference or being removed from the conference for behavior that would be deemed "threatening"

I still think the threats made against him in assocation with his employment are a large piece of the puzzle.

 

[LaLaw2000]

In the coming days we will probably learn more details concerning the marriage and problems surrounding it. I want to know if there is a life insurance policy on Sheri, how much it was, and when the policy was taken out or maybe the amount changed.

As we are free to each have our own opinions here, it is my opinion that the husband is either the murderer or had it done. The husband was in the security business. There would be no reason for him to have not included the window downstairs in the back into the wired ones. As another poster stated, when you set the alarm, if a window or door is not completely shut the alarm will tell you. Most burglar alarms even have a battery box backup. Mine does. The electricity can be off and the alarm still works.

Wonder if Chris will state to LE that he just does not remember if he reset the alarm before leaving the house?

 

[Wrinkles]

So...

Enrico J. Mirabelli is stated as being a cousin of Sheri Coleman.

Also, he appears to be partner in Nadler, Pritikin & Mirabelli (Family Law.) I wonder if Sheri ever discussed the deed thing with him or anything else, he being a family law attorney.

The court affidavit has Mario mentioning that it is anticipated that if the service were held on Monday night in Chicago, that hundreds of family, friends and well wishers would be in attendance. I looked at the size of the Hursen Funeral Home. From Google map, seems well able to handle a large crowd.

Went to Hursen site to read Sheri's obituary, to see if if there was one. Some of you might be interested in reading it. Hmmm, Chris' name is not mentioned in the obituary.

Ugh ... July 20th, 2008 The Mario D. Weiss on this page appears to be Sheri's brother. Hopefully he is all sorted out and on a self correction path. He is going to need his wits about him to comfort and uphold his mom.

As a note, the court affidavit mentions that Mario recognized a male voice in the background as being that of Chris' dad, so it would seem he knew that voice from past meetings?

It is confusing to try to figure out how close Sheri's and Chris' families might have been.

W

 

[Carrington]

http://www.public-records-now.com/S...criteria=Christopher;;;;Coleman;;Columbia;;IL;;;;;;

PulbicRecordsNow.com

Shows CC as having: AKA/Aliases COLEMANC (business)
Locations besides the ones we know: QUANTICO VA (FBI?)

.
IMO

 

[analytical]

Regarding security at Joyce Meyer Ministries conferences, this statement is taken from "frequently asked questions" in connection with a conference at the Edwards Jones Dome.

http://www.joycemeyer.org/womensconference/faq.htm

Will our bags be inspected at the entrance to the Edward Jones Dome?
There are times when security is heightened. If the Dome Security Team feels this is necessary, your patience and cooperation will be appreciated.

 

[analytical]

http://www.public-records-now.com/S...criteria=Christopher;;;;Coleman;;Columbia;;IL;;;;;;

PulbicRecordsNow.com

Shows CC as having: AKA/Aliases COLEMANIC (business)
Locations besides the ones we know: QUATICO VA (FBI?)

I find manic kind of ironic.
IMO

Hi .. where do you see the "IC" .. I don't see it on the link you posted. Is it on another page?

What I read is "colemanc" ... which would be "coleman, c" .. wouldn't it?

 

[Carrington]

Hi .. where do you see the "IC" .. I don't see it on the link you posted. Is it on another page?

What I read is "colemanc" ... which would be "coleman, c" .. wouldn't it?

Sorry, your right. My mistake. Honestly, not intentional. I will correct my post. I also spelled QUANTICO wrong.
Welcome to WS's.

IMO

 

[fran]

I realize that it's difficult to see suspicion gravitating towards the husband, but that's the way LE handles their investigation as well. It's more to rule the husband out, as well as a possible suspect. LE will tell you in these cases, they work from the 'inside-out.' They always begin with the spouse and immediate family. Anyone who could possibly benefit in any way by the crime.

I haven't seen anything yet that absolutely tells me the husband is the perp. There are some questionable circumstances, yes, but nothing definit yet.

Believe me when I say, none of us that have been watching these cases for any length of time 'want' it to be the husband. Actually, just the opposite. Unfortunately, quite often, it is the husband or wife or SO. Oh, and sometimes they get away with it too.

Let's see how this shakes out. Right now it's 50-50 in my book.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

http://www.public-records-now.com/S...criteria=Christopher;;;;Coleman;;Columbia;;IL;;;;;;

PulbicRecordsNow.com

Shows CC as having: AKA/Aliases COLEMANC (business)
Locations besides the ones we know: QUANTICO VA (FBI?)

.
IMO

Often times, I believe, the Marines are used for sentry duty or protection. Perhaps the Quantico is an older listing from when he was in the service?

Just a thought,
fran

 

[analytical]

Often times, I believe, the Marines are used for sentry duty or protection. Perhaps the Quantico is an older listing from when he was in the service?

Just a thought,
fran

I read somewhere that Mr. Coleman was a part of the security detail on Air Force One for former President Clinton though I can't substantiate that nor recall where I read it. This would explain the correlation to Quantico, possibly.

Edit:

here is the information on Coleman's Classmate.com entry (does not include info about his working security detail for AF1 .. do not recall where I read that)

"An online posting on Classmates.com by Chris Coleman of the Class of '95 said he was in the Marines until 1999 as a K-9 military police officer and met his wife at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, where she was an Air Force K-9 officer. The posting does not list her hometown or when they were married."

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/05/06/news/doc4a0176541f686594036779.txt

 

[analytical]

In discussions of a house that an "armed security guard" lived at "close to where Joyce Meyer lives" ... perhaps this is that house in a mention here from a 2003 series the SLPD did on Joyce Meyer Ministries.

"Security is important to Meyer, who says she has received death threats. She has a division of the ministry dedicated to her safety. Her officers wear pistols; they guard the headquarters’ front gate, keeping out anyone but employees and invited guests.

The ministry bought a $145,000 house where the security chief lives rent-free to keep him close to the ministry’s headquarters."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...C5099399D2FCC5FA86256DDF00661C5F?OpenDocument

 

[Wrinkles]

Analytical, hello and welcome,

You wrote:
>>It is not totally out of the realm of reasoning that Coleman's family was somehow threatened and the message scrawled on the wall seems to bear that out ... "I told you this would happen"

It appears only one poster has made mention of this crucial piece of information.<<

You might want to review the thread again. I just did and stopped from going any further on this -- as I know how WS'rs have been looking at it in this thread:

SuziQ #13,
SeriouslySearching #20
Stella5 #150
Wrinkles #161

I apologize to any other WS'r who should be marked up as having looked at this too -- I know there have been many of you.

In my message #161 I wrote:
>>Hmmm, although I know that someone who might have been threatening might put that on a wall (if that is true), it also seems that maybe a pissed off or jealous husband who thought his wife was leaving him and just found out about it might too, i.e. "If you even try to leave, your going to wake up and find yourself dead" kinda thing. To be honest this "I told you this would happen" (if it is true), really seems personal -- but I'd like to see the so-called threats and what they said.<<

There have been MANY notes of this so-called message on the wall -- but I am not yet sure that we can count on one having been written, it seems likely.

W

 

[mikeysmommom]

Sources close to the case said investigators traveled to Florida last week to interview a woman said to be a friend of Sheri Coleman's. The woman and other mutual friends did not respond to messages seeking comment.

Chris Coleman, 32, who works security for televangelist Joyce Meyer in Jefferson County, has hired well-known Clayton criminal defense attorneys Arthur Margulis and his son, William.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...74A63CA512CC24EA862575B2000C3636?OpenDocument

It sounds like the press knows her identity. (We need to find her, too!)

Now...why would JMM be hiring a criminal defense attorney? This is VERY interesting to me.

MODS if this is not allowed please remove...........Thank you
I do not know if anyone else came across this but on a site I was on she was mentioned as CC girlfriend but since she is in airforce this might be Sheri friend in Fla.
http://www.myspace.com/usftara

 

[Wrinkles]

Greetings SeriouslySearching,

Haven't had a chance to read this whole page yet, but you wrote:

>>Chris Coleman, 32, who works security for televangelist Joyce Meyer in Jefferson County, has hired well-known Clayton criminal defense attorneys Arthur Margulis and his son, William.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...6?OpenDocument

It sounds like the press knows her identity. (We need to find her, too!)

Now...why would JMM be hiring a criminal defense attorney? This is VERY interesting to me. <<

I don't think JMM hired the attorney, it appears to have been Chris "who works security for..." that did the hiring.

W

 

[analytical]

Is it crucial to know exactly how many mentions were made?

I didn't know I'd entered a competition, of sorts. :behindbar

I just personally find it disturbing on any site that this "tidbit" is very oft overlooked to continue to point fingers at Coleman.

I have no problem with being wrong but I just don't think he killed his wife and children.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Greetings SeriouslySearching,

Haven't had a chance to read this whole page yet, but you wrote:

>>Chris Coleman, 32, who works security for televangelist Joyce Meyer in Jefferson County, has hired well-known Clayton criminal defense attorneys Arthur Margulis and his son, William.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...6?OpenDocument

It sounds like the press knows her identity. (We need to find her, too!)

Now...why would JMM be hiring a criminal defense attorney? This is VERY interesting to me. <<

I don't think JMM hired the attorney, it appears to have been Chris "who works security for..." that did the hiring.

W

I have her name if anyone here wants it if its allowed message me and i will give it to you.I do not want to post it here on the board since I have only read about her name thru a poster and not LE.

 

[SuziQ]

Is it crucial to know exactly how many mentions were made?

I didn't know I'd entered a competition, of sorts. :behindbar

I just personally find it disturbing on any site that this "tidbit" is very oft overlooked to continue to point fingers at Coleman.

I have no problem with being wrong but I just don't think he killed his wife and children.

It's not a competition at all. But I got the impression that you were using that example to point out that many of us are coming to the conclusion that the husband did it in spite of information out there, that we either missed or are ignoring. It was merely pointed out that is not true. We have considered and discussed it. I can't speak for others, but I have not overlooked or discounted any information. I know I've come to the conclusion at this point, that the husband is most likely responsible based on all the information available.

You don't think Chris killed his family, that's fine. Some of us do, that's fine. This is a discussion board, difference of opinions will happen.