Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

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  • #421
Morning Gang,

Nice to see the thread open for more brainstorming -- thank you Adnoid! :)

SuziQ where are you girl, get in here and help us dig up more info! :)

Thinking... SeriouslySearching, thanks for bringing this up!
>>When he called home, did he call Sheri's cell phone and land line? Did he leave messages?<<

Wow, now wouldn't you like to hear any messages that might have been left by "anyone"? And how about the family computer? When was Sheri's last activity on her computer -- or her last texting on her phone -- when was her last login to her myspace. In fact -- what was on that computer -- I sure hope that the police grabbed that first thing (I know I am being naive here :) -- boy I could have had some stimulation snuffling around in that computer (IF there hadn't been obvious wipes to it). Also, hope the police got Sheri's phone! (did they?)

As a note... I don't know if anyone else saw it, Sheri had a friend that responded in her guest book -- and I can't help but think this friend spent a good deal of time hanging or communicating with Sheri. I hope the police saw her name and contacted her. At anyrate, this girlfriend was obviously devasted -- loved Sheri and the children, you could feel it. She mentioned Sheri and her texting one another. She also mentioned "Fridays" (I looked it up, its a restaurant in St. Louis and elsewhere, but this gal's location was SL.) Evidently there were staff at Friday's that this girlfriend referred to as thinking fondly about the children, I had to wonder if Sheri might have worked there (recalling that earlier one of the neighbors thought that Sheri might have had a waitressing job somewhere) -- or if this was just a hangout to which Sheri and the children went. Either way, the indication was that Sheri and the children were well known there.

So -- can the texts that people do on their phone be dug up again? Have the police contacted that staff at Friday's to chat with them? Hope so. Also, did Sheri really work as a waitress and where, how often?

I watched myspace for a few days and noted that there was a date of the 4th (in myspace) -- she died the night of the 4th or the morn of the 5th, right? -- the examiner has the approximate time of death by now.) We then saw that myspace go private -- who does that, the police, someone notifying myspace that the person is deceased, or does someone with Sheri's password do that? Also, who deletes a youtube film -- someone with the password, or the youtube people?

BTW, those of you who do a lot of computing and such, how many of your SO's know your passwords -- mine doesn't know mine -- he wouldn't have a clue how to touch myspace, facelift (or whatever that site is ;) or anything else I do.

Hmmmm, I just looked up "littlesheric" -- the place we saw that horrifying video which is now noted as "This video has been removed by the user," I see this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/littlesheric

littlesheric
Joined: December 15, 2008
Last Sign In: 16 hours ago
Videos Watched: 0
Subscribers: 0
Channel Views: 325

Well, we know Sheri didn't sign in 16 hours ago. Someone "signed in" it appears, but the account does not appear to be removed. How does that work? If someone were to write the youtube people and say "That is in bad taste, get it off the web" or "Could you please remove that" would there have been a signin noted?

And some of the rumor on the welfare check phone call:
>>According to a story, either in the local paper or the media reports, he always called home no matter where he was to say hello to the children and his wife in the mornings. So I do not see why people are jumping to conclusions based on the fact that he was at the gym and called, had that been me, or my family, I would have called and had a well being check done as well, specially if they were being threatened. I do not believe that the husband had anything to do with it at all, there's a lot of finger pointing going in his direction. You can not look at that picture and deduce that he is automatically the killer, that's insane in itself.<<

I don't struggle too much with someone seeing a break in routine and, coupled with threats, calling for a welfare check. But if the threats were so worrisome in the first place -- I have the same questions many of you do, why weren't the alarms set and going off -- why was the family even there?

W
 
  • #422
Just some random thoughts as I wasn't on at all this weeked so I'm just catching up now. When the report first came out that LE was trying to contact someone in FL to speak to this person regarding the Coleman family, I initially felt it could be CC's mistress. And sure enough, from comments on some of the articles in the media, others felt that way too. However, reading in one of the stories that Sheri went to school and lived in FL for a good period of time, now I wonder if that person, whom they have at least identified as a woman, isn't a very close friend of Sheri's who may know some of the "secrets" and inner workings of that marriage and family situation. Not discounting that CC could still have a mistress because I do think that will come out at some point. But perhaps this woman is someone that Sheri confided in...she may know there was an affair, she may know Sheri could have been thinking of leaving....it could be any number of things.

I'm open to this story having a different ending than the one I believe it does but I really don't think that will be the case.
 
  • #423
Well, well, well.................

It seems there is nothing going on from the media with regard to this case, but there's a LOT going on behind the scenes.

Whether what is being written is FACT or RUMOR, time will tell. Like they say, the devil is in the details.

IF you want to know what's being said by NON-media and NON-LE, check out the 'comments' section of this news article.

Interesting, indeed.

JMHO
fran

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...75B30011DEF9?OpenDocument#tp_newCommentAnchor
 
  • #424
Well, well, well.................

It seems there is nothing going on from the media with regard to this case, but there's a LOT going on behind the scenes.

Whether what is being written is FACT or RUMOR, time will tell. Like they say, the devil is in the details.

IF you want to know what's being said by NON-media and NON-LE, check out the 'comments' section of this news article.

Interesting, indeed.

JMHO
fran

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...75B30011DEF9?OpenDocument#tp_newCommentAnchor

Thanks for the link Fran. It is interesting.

Can someone please simply explain to what we know about the funeral snafu? Is it true that the husband did not involve the wife's family in all of this - that they were not there for the funerals? That's nuts.
 
  • #425
Hello OceanBlueEyes and All,

You wrote:
>>If so, what I see that may happen since her family now has them in their hometown they are going to ask a Judge for an injunction to stop the procedure of sending the bodies back to be buried in Chris's hometown.<<

I sure don't know what type of legal thing could be done to avoid returning the bodies -- after having read the affidavit that they would be returned (although there is at least one attorney in Sheri's family who probably has ties to excellent advice, you can bet all attornies -- both sides -- have prepared themselves for this possibility) -- but I think you and a number of us wonder where Sheri and the children will ultimately be buried. If I was Sheri's mother was at all suspicious of my daughter's husband as perp, I would not STOP to do what I could to make sure she was buried where those who loved her the most planned.

Laci P and baby Conner were, I believe, buried where her family chose. IF, and I say "If" CC is the suspected perp of Sheri's family, you can bet that Sheri's family does not want him making decisions for the burial and I could never blame them for that -- loving husband/father is one thing, husband/father/murderer is another. IF he is not the perp (and I hope he isn't), I could not imagine his pain at not being able to put his beloved wife and babies to rest where he sees fit as soon as possible in respect of them and his need to survive such a robbery of life's treasures (and barring any extra need for investigation).

On the other hand, if he is not the perp -- how can he express this to Sheri's family and what effort has been made? If I had been murdered, and my husband knew he was not the murderer (in general, murderers know whether they have or have not murdered), he would sit in full face with my parents, all friends and family to try to explain everything he knew (they would be insiders), to beg for their help, to ask everyone for help -- he would be all over my brothers and their wives to help with the situation. He would be exhausted, overangered whatever... and calling upon ALL family strengthening -- i.e. we all loved her/them, let's work together as a team.

Mario, Sheri's brother, mentioned in the court affidavit the number of minutes he and Chris were on the phone (not many). I get that my husband "may" prefer for the police to be the original contact to my family should I be murdered -- he would be so overwhelmed -- he would not know what to say to try and comfort those he was telling as he was trying to comfort himself... On the other hand, he might want to be in contact with my family immediately after, to bind us all together -- to join an immediate team against a murderer of his AND their beloved family member/s.

The obit in Chicago remains to seem very telling -- Chris is NOT mentioned as I first pointed out in message #366 ("Hmmm, Chris' name is not mentioned in the obituary") and I cannot believe that he wouldn't be if there was a unified ground in finding "the murderer" and that the family was "not" suspecting Chris as the possible murderer. Although, maybe they don't suspect him at all, but just may never have found him to be the loving husband/father that another circle of people did? But why? Gads, my mom thinks more of my husband than me!

On the other hand, are things about the murder so secretive that Chris could not tell Sheri's family everything? Could he not have called a conference with the police and Sheri's family to help them all with this?

SS, ya'll good WS'rs, I agree -- LOTS of questions.

W
 
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Thank you Fran for the link, found this:

>>douknow May 11, 2009 6:37AM CST
Do any of you that are pointing fingers at Chris realize that Sheri was estranged from her family in Chicago? I think Chris would question the motive behind them suddenly wanting to be concerned! Also, her father spent several years in prison? What about them, why isn't anyone pointing fingers their way?<<

Well, I could understand if Sheri was estranged from her family in Chicago, not all mom's and brothers get along. About the dad having been in prison -- dunno, interesting.

So, who of Sheri's friends knows the reality here? I hope they have shared with the police.

W
 
  • #428
Not sure if this has been posted yet.. (I apologize if it has been)

COLUMBIA, Ill. (AP) -- The husband of a woman who was found murdered along with the couple's two sons in their southwestern Illinois home has hired a pair of St. Louis attorneys.

William Margulis said Sunday that he and his father, attorney Arthur Margulis, are representing Chris Coleman. Coleman's wife, 31-year-old Sheri Coleman, and sons, 11-year-old Garrett and 9-year-old Gavin, were found dead in the couple's Columbia home on Tuesday.

Police went to the home for a wellness check at Coleman's suggestion. Authorities have not named any suspects.

Margulis said he has "been in constant contact with police" regarding the case but that investigators hadn't given him any information regarding Coleman's status.


http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-attorneys-05102009,0,463134.story
 
  • #429
Thanks to fran for posting the link...here's another interesting comment. I've bolded things that freak me out.

Raisin08 May 11, 2009 7:38AM CST
The husband is the main person of interest. I know someone who has a friend on the Major Case Squad. They think its him but they don't have a way to prove it yet... Some notes to hint on:

The g/f in FL does exist. He called her at 6 am to tell her he was leaving the gym (I guess for an aliby).

The kids were in their beds strangled and the wife was in hers. The kids were spray painted (The spray paint can came from Joyce Meyer's).
The letters came from the husband.

I'll leave everything else out, but they have to find evidence to pin it on the husband but he's who they want.
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The kids were spray painted? WTF? If that is true, what would compel someone to do that to innocent children?
 
  • #430
Thanks for the link Fran. It is interesting.

Can someone please simply explain to what we know about the funeral snafu? Is it true that the husband did not involve the wife's family in all of this - that they were not there for the funerals? That's nuts.

From the pdf of the court order, Sheri's brother said that the husband did not call the family until Thursday 11:something, a.m. The family was advised of the murder by LE. When the husband called the family, it was to tell them what time the funeral was, Friday (viewing) and Saturday(actual funeral service).

At the time the brother talked to Chris (husband) he asked if they could have a service in Sheri's home town. At that time, Chris and he talked about the $$, the brother said her family would cover it and the husband agreed. The brother said he'd get back to him. It was a 17 minute phone call.......

Sheri's brother called him back close to 12 noon and said 'yes' they wanted to have the service by Sheri's family. The husband left the brother hanging on the phone for a few minutes conferring with someone else (brother said sounded like Chris' dad) and then Chris said 'no,' he'd apparently changed his mind.

It was then that Sheri's family seeked legal counsel and then filed for a court order. It should be noted that the attorney of record for the family is actually, PART of the family, ie Sheri's cousins, I believe.

However, prior to the judge ordering the bodies to be taken to the family service in Sheri's hometown, I believe I read that Chris had already changed his mind, AGAIN, thus telling the brother they could go ahead with their service.

To be honest, I don't understand WHY Chris didn't call her family immediately upon learning of his family's fate AND then waiting 3 days. But I believe there's much 'a do' about nothing as far as the funeral and memorial service goes. It was just two families living in two localities trying to make a bad situation work.

JMHO
fran

PS........I just want to explain that the reason I don't think the disagreement and the changing of his mind regarding having a second service, etc. There was only less than two hour difference from yes to no. The brother saying everyone had already made reservations, etc,........well, I believe that's an exaggeration........all in less than two hours, relatives from across the U.S. had already made arrangements for that day???? sorry, not buyin' it.....I believe her family was just upset, heartbroken, frustrated, and just wanted Sheri and the boys home for their final farewell. Plus, a lawyer in the family is always a push towards the legal route...imho, fran
 
  • #431
Oh, one more thing I want to bring up because I'd never heard of it before...why does their Major Case Squad have a time limit for investigating this case? I live in NY and I've never heard of that here...something happens...they investigate it as long as it takes to solve the crime. I'd never heard of LE only having 5 days to investigate a case.

Would someone enlighten me if possible? TIA.
 
  • #432
Someone wrote:

be-for-real May 11, 2009 7:38AM CST
>>... Chris's dad said to several people at the visitation that the dvr that recorded the camera's in the house was missing. wow what a shock.<<

Has anyone heard about this anywhere? Wonder how this person heard it.

W
 
  • #433
Not sure if this has been posted yet.. (I apologize if it has been)

COLUMBIA, Ill. (AP) -- The husband of a woman who was found murdered along with the couple's two sons in their southwestern Illinois home has hired a pair of St. Louis attorneys.

William Margulis said Sunday that he and his father, attorney Arthur Margulis, are representing Chris Coleman. Coleman's wife, 31-year-old Sheri Coleman, and sons, 11-year-old Garrett and 9-year-old Gavin, were found dead in the couple's Columbia home on Tuesday.

Police went to the home for a wellness check at Coleman's suggestion. Authorities have not named any suspects.

Margulis said he has "been in constant contact with police" regarding the case but that investigators hadn't given him any information regarding Coleman's status.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-attorneys-05102009,0,463134.story

Below is some info member Chestergal (thank you Chesterga!) left on my profile when the thread was locked. Chris has certainly brought out the big guns. IMO, what's more telling than Chris hiring an attorney, but who he hired.

Elder Marguilis was the attorney in the below case.

Book Review... Dying to Get Married: The Courtship and Murder of Julia Miller Bulloch (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Get-Married-Courtship-

http://law.wustl.edu/Alumni/index.asp?ID=756
Arthur S. Margulis, AB’57, JD’58, is a member of the St. Louis-based firm of Margulis Grant & Margulis PC, which specializes in criminal law. After graduating f rom law school, he served in the United States Army as a lieutenant in artillery. He then worked as an agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation in several cities on the East Coast, receiving three special commendations from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. -SNIP- (more at link)
 
  • #434
Oh, one more thing I want to bring up because I'd never heard of it before...why does their Major Case Squad have a time limit for investigating this case? I live in NY and I've never heard of that here...something happens...they investigate it as long as it takes to solve the crime. I'd never heard of LE only having 5 days to investigate a case.

Would someone enlighten me if possible? TIA.

I have never heard of that either.
 
  • #435
Thank you Fran for the link, found this:

>>douknow May 11, 2009 6:37AM CST
Do any of you that are pointing fingers at Chris realize that Sheri was estranged from her family in Chicago? I think Chris would question the motive behind them suddenly wanting to be concerned! Also, her father spent several years in prison? What about them, why isn't anyone pointing fingers their way?<<

Well, I could understand if Sheri was estranged from her family in Chicago, not all mom's and brothers get along. About the dad having been in prison -- dunno, interesting.

So, who of Sheri's friends knows the reality here? I hope they have shared with the police.

W

Very interesting. I think we are going to see alot of comments that will be trying to deflect and throw suspicion and blame elsewhere. No way of knowing who's sitting in front of that computer....just sayin!
 
  • #436
YEESH!

>>Raisin08 May 11, 2009 7:38AM CST
The husband is the main person of interest. I know someone who has a friend on the Major Case Squad. They think its him but they don't have a way to prove it yet... Some notes to hint on:

The g/f in FL does exist. He called her at 6 am to tell her he was leaving the gym (I guess for an aliby).

The kids were in their beds strangled and the wife was in hers. The kids were spray painted (The spray paint can came from Joyce Meyer's).

The letters came from the husband.

I'll leave everything else out, but they have to find evidence to pin it on the husband but he's who they want.<<

Gads -- if this isn't just a big bunch of horse c*** it is hideous.

W
 
  • #437
Oh, one more thing I want to bring up because I'd never heard of it before...why does their Major Case Squad have a time limit for investigating this case? I live in NY and I've never heard of that here...something happens...they investigate it as long as it takes to solve the crime. I'd never heard of LE only having 5 days to investigate a case.

Would someone enlighten me if possible? TIA.

I haven't heard of that either. Where did you hear that?
 
  • #438
Very interesting. I think we are going to see alot of comments that will be trying to deflect and throw suspicion and blame elsewhere. No way of knowing who's sitting in front of that computer....just sayin!

LOL, yeah, well, ...........I seem to recall one recent case we followed where the husband was eventually charged and is awaiting trial...........

Well, suffice it to say that there were a few people who 'knew' info that made the husband look better (they THOUGHT) and would introduce it here and it ehhhh......ended up back-firing on the NOT suspect. ;)

Just sayin'
:rolleyes:
fran
 
  • #439
The premise behind the inception of the Major Case Squad is to bring together specially trained, extremely motivated and highly experienced Investigators from around the Metro East area to aggressively investigate major crimes. During the tenure of the Major Case Squad it has been so successful in solving these major crime it averages nearly an 80% clearance rate. During a Major Case Squad call-out between 15 to 25 Investigators, from all different departments, will respond to the command post within three hours of the discovery of the crime bringing a wealth of law enforcement knowledge and experience. The Major Case Squad is also highly specialized in new and advanced computer and cellular telephone systems.


http://www.majorcasesquad.org/default.asp
 
  • #440
Hmmm..

>>The camera system he installed had a DVR on it.. They found part of the DVR device on the catwalk under the JB bridge.. I sware these details are true.. I'm not one to start #####.. This is coming from the guys working the case.. <<

Also:
>> GoRams! May 11, 2009 8:21AM CST
LetsGoBluz - You are verifying some things I heard myself as early as last Wednesday (the GF in Florida being Sheri's best friend). Also, I heard that he sprayed 'FU' on a sheet covering someone? <<

And:
>.hopefortomorrow May 11, 2009 8:50AM CST
TM- you are full of crap. I know the family and believe me Sheri and her mother were in contact since she was in the service. She was up here several times. You are just spouting things Chris and his control freak father wants people to believe. She had asked her mother to move to St. Louis in the last year. <<

WOAH Fran, these people are talking ... who is correct, who knows, but ...
 
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