Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

[SeriouslySearching]

If they were really arguing at 3am why at that time?? Aren't most people sleeping? I just keep thinking maybe he came home around that time and that started a fight.

Good point. If Chris normally worked the night shift, would he be accustomed to staying up during the time he was not working? It doesn't make sense for Sheri to be awake since she had to get up early to get the boys to school tho.

It would be interesting to know where Chris was all weekend and on Monday. Is it possible he was out of town and didn't arrive home until the wee hours on Tuesday? Has anyone mentioned him being at church with the family on Sunday?

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello ChesterGal,

Hugs... thanks for being there -- be careful.

W

 

[chestergal]

The Evergreen Cemetery entrance is where the red dot is (it is in the left bottom corner)
if you zoom out using the slide bar at the top left you will see where it located in Chester (refer back to my last post showing where Grace Church is.)

http://terraserver-usa.com/image.as...er,+IL+62233&ALon=-89.8250790&ALat=37.9174220

Evergreen Cemetery is a very old one - it goes back to the mid or late 1800's and it sits very close to Menard Prison (both the old one and new one)

 

[chestergal]

Here is our local newspaper - it only comes out once a week on Thursday (it had nothing in it last week on the Coleman case - not sure why but it could be the story was too raw to publish anything about it or the press plates where already assembled for the week when the story broke wide open in this little town)

http://www.randolphcountyheraldtribune.com/

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello mon ami SeriouslySearching,

You wrote:
>>It would be interesting to know where Chris was all weekend and on Monday. Is it possible he was out of town and didn't arrive home until the wee hours on Tuesday? Has anyone mentioned him being at church with the family on Sunday?<<

This would be interesting. Additionally, it would be interesting to "just know" (begin with knowing) when Chris said he was in the family home on the 4th (i.e. for the evening -- he wasn't working, when he wasn't working he was with his family, yes?) Did he say he was there all night prior to leaving for the gym on the 5th. i.e. isn't it reported that he said he left at 5:30AM? (so he was there all night -- since what time?)

The police have all manner of information that they are working on -- they know when Chris said he got home on the 4th, they have his computer, home phone recorder -- "video surveillance" films (surely this security guy with threats against his family had all manner of surveillance working, right?), Sheri's and his cell phone info (hopefully, remember she "texted" at least one friend that reported texting her) and my guess is that the police are very clear about how all of this info lines up against the examiner's time of death.

W

 

[Wrinkles]

To All,

I would like to know if the press was invited to the burial of Sheri and the children. We have 3 murder victims, it seems that Chris and grandparents would want the press to see the horrid pain of these 3 coffins so that they could pound police, media etc. to find the murderer.

W

 

[chestergal]

FYI
more info about Chester (please know they count about 3,300 Menard Prisoners into the pop count)
There is about 5,000 people who are not in Prison here. (that count may go to 4,999 very soon) I don't know how they get away with counting the prisoners into the overall pop.)

The Chester land area is 5.9 sq miles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester,_Illinois

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It is unconfirmed, but someone posted on a comment section about a dvr being found under the bridge by LE. This could mean his high tech camera security system was infiltrated by the perp and they tried to dispose of any surveillance video. Hopefully, this rumor will end up being true and they will have a way to trace it back to the owner (preferably with fingerprints).

I am curious if LE found Sheri's cell phone inside the home, too. They can get the texts, the time of the calls in and out, messages, and other information from the records, but it would be better if they had the phone to determine if she tried calling LE prior to her death.

LE has not mentioned where the bodies were found. I would like to know if Sheri was in bed or if she was closer to the boys. If there was screaming so loud at 3:00 am the neighbor could hear it (inside their house?), I would think the boys woke up. Did things quiet down for a period of time before the murders and allow time for the boys to go back to sleeping soundly? Was Sheri asleep when she was attacked?

 

[artie gumshoe]

Oh, wow, I was out sorry, had to take my son to the doc, but let me try to answer as many as I can:
"Artie, again, welcome and thanks for the information. I have a question regarding what I bolded above. If neighbors knew they were receiving death threats, did any of the neighbors who heard the yelling and fighting at 3 AM call the police? If not, do you have any idea why they wouldn't? I would assume if it's a relatively close knit neighborhood and people KNOW there have been issues, they would alert LE to something like that. "

I don't think anyone called the cops. For being strong houses, the windows that came with the houses are dirt cheap and crappy. I know our kitchen window broke and we found out that they had a 3 month warrenty, only. So, you can hear things through the windows. Now, most married couples have arguments, so I think they thought it was just an argument. I know if someone had the cops called on me and my wife whenever we had an argument, we would have cops on us once a month. Also, as far as I know, only 2 neighbors knew about the threats: the detective and the neighbor that the detective asked to watch the house.

 

[looneymama]

I think it would be interesting to see if he did actually call home and if so, how many times? Also if he left a message. I know that not everyone acts the same way, but when I've been worried about loved ones, I've called several times and left messages saying things like "okay now I'm getting worried, please call me and let me know you're okay."

 

[chestergal]

Well CC if you did it you never have to worry about leaving your hometown again!
Hopefully you won't get a an upper cell that overlooks the Evergreen Cemetery. (Hopefully Sheri's mother can take her and her grandchildren home to Chicago)

Nah... they will put you in a cell that has no windows and you be stuffed into a cell with about 4 or 6 more inmates.


Menard Correctional Center, known prior to 1970 as Southern Illinois Penitentiary, is located in the town of Chester in Randolph County, Illinois. It is a state prison housing maximum-security and high medium-security adult males.The average daily population as of 2007 is 3,410. [1] Menard Correctional Center opened in March 1878, and is the second oldest prison in Illinois. It also stands as Illinois’s largest maximum-security prison.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menard_Correctional_Center[/ame]

 

[artie gumshoe]

Welcome to WS, Artie~

I can't figure out why the police would lie about finding the bodies. Is it possible the policeman who lived nearby heard the call go out and he responded first? Perhaps he made his way around to the back sliding glass door and entered the house without someone seeing a vehicle making it appear the police had not arrived by the time Chris got home. If not, it makes no sense for them to mislead the public on this issue.

The neighbor's testimony to nothing being amiss at 6:00 am while jogging will come into play in this case. How far did he jog and how long was he outside in the area?

I would like to hear from neighbors who have a view of his backyard, too. Was the screen on the window torn, cut, or tampered with where LE had it taped? Have you heard anything about entry into the house? I noticed the sliding glass door was taped, but this could be to prevent anyone from entering the crime scene or because the perp is thought to have exited from the door (meaning it would have been unlocked).

Okay, here's the deal and I should be online for the next few hours, even though I am at work, to answer any more questions.

As for the detective, first thing is, in the subdivision: there are 2 state troopers, 3 cops and 1 detective. So, whoever did this, was not afraid of the cops. Secondly, the cops continuously say that they are not releasing a timeline, but keep saying that they discovered the bodies, first. So, I don't know why they are doing that either, other than one theory. For those of you who didn't know CC, he was very active in the commmunity. He coached baseball and football and was very active with the school. I have a bad feeling that the cops do not want to arrest him because he is such an asset and friend to the community. The police chief even cried at the vigil, asking that everyone help find the killer. I think that he is crying because he doesn't want to turn CC in but knows that all of the evidence points to him or his brother.

Now, next issue: the door and window. A nighbor, on tuesday afternnon, about 1:00pm, walked behind the house, on the other street, and noticed that the window was open: not broken or torn, but straight up open. These pathetic excuses for a window, do have some simple security issues, such as they cannot be opened from the outside, without breaking it open. So, that would mean that it was left open or left unlocked. I heard that the door was open as well, but doubt that the perp went through or out that way as then the perp would have had to escape and they had two more houses and a lake blocking them. They could have cut through the other two houses' yards and gone that way, but then there would have been a random person walking the streets at about 6:30 in the morning.

 

[analytical]

Unfortunately Google does not cache MySpace pages reliably.

Are you referencing Tara's MySpace page? When the link was posted a number of threads back perhaps on Sunday, the last login was shown as 5/9 and a mood of "excited"

Were it me and a good friend of mine and her two children had been murdered, my mood would NOT be "excited"

IIRC, authorities flew to Florida perhaps Wednesday to interview the person who has been rumored to be a "close high school friend" of Sheri's.

The profile has been accessed since the last log-in of 5/9, accessed today but yet what confuses me is the mood is still "excited"

Hmmmmm ....

 

[artie gumshoe]

Good point. If Chris normally worked the night shift, would he be accustomed to staying up during the time he was not working? It doesn't make sense for Sheri to be awake since she had to get up early to get the boys to school tho.

It would be interesting to know where Chris was all weekend and on Monday. Is it possible he was out of town and didn't arrive home until the wee hours on Tuesday? Has anyone mentioned him being at church with the family on Sunday?

Now, here is the story about the Coleman's: Sheri drove a silver Mazda 3 and even though they had a two car garage, CC didn't park his green SUV/jeep car in the garage. The garage was being used to store toys and bikes on the side opposite of Sheri's car. This means that you can tell what days CC is there and not there, by if his car is in the driveway or not. Now, I'm not nosy, but I have an old habbit of just taking a look at my surroundings wherever I go, with the help of a photographic memory. So, on monday during the day, I did not remember seeing CC's car, in the driveway or near the house at all, during the morning between 8:30-8:40, when I drove by or in the evening around 6:30pm when I came home and drove by again. The nighbor, across the street, the one who was asked to watch the house, said that he thought CC was working out of town that weekend and came home monday night.

Again, I am going on hearsay and what people actually said, not what the cops may have come up with. (Although, the cops are not saying anything at this point, which has the whole city kind of worried.)

 

[chestergal]

2 state troopers, 3 cops and 1 detective (are these all IL LE? - do they all work for the county and Columbia?)

Okay, here's the deal and I should be online for the next few hours, even though I am at work, to answer any more questions.

As for the detective, first thing is, in the subdivision: there are 2 state troopers, 3 cops and 1 detective. So, whoever did this, was not afraid of the cops. Secondly, the cops continuously say that they are not releasing a timeline, but keep saying that they discovered the bodies, first. So, I don't know why they are doing that either, other than one theory. For those of you who didn't know CC, he was very active in the commmunity. He coached baseball and football and was very active with the school. I have a bad feeling that the cops do not want to arrest him because he is such an asset and friend to the community. The police chief even cried at the vigil, asking that everyone help find the killer. I think that he is crying because he doesn't want to turn CC in but knows that all of the evidence points to him or his brother.

Now, next issue: the door and window. A nighbor, on tuesday afternnon, about 1:00pm, walked behind the house, on the other street, and noticed that the window was open: not broken or torn, but straight up open. These pathetic excuses for a window, do have some simple security issues, such as they cannot be opened from the outside, without breaking it open. So, that would mean that it was left open or left unlocked. I heard that the door was open as well, but doubt that the perp went through or out that way as then the perp would have had to escape and they had two more houses and a lake blocking them. They could have cut through the other two houses' yards and gone that way, but then there would have been a random person walking the streets at about 6:30 in the morning.

 

[artie gumshoe]

Are you referencing Tara's MySpace page? When the link was posted a number of threads back perhaps on Sunday, the last login was shown as 5/9 and a mood of "excited"

Were it me and a good friend of mine and her two children had been murdered, my mood would NOT be "excited"

IIRC, authorities flew to Florida perhaps Wednesday to interview the person who has been rumored to be a "close high school friend" of Sheri's.

The profile has been accessed since the last log-in of 5/9, accessed today but yet what confuses me is the mood is still "excited"

Hmmmmm ....

You actually have to go into another app in myspace in order to change yoru mood. If cops were going through her myspace, to look for clues, they would not alter or change anything, and couldn't even under myspace's rules and policies, so that is why it may still say "excited"

 

[chestergal]

artie...

did you get interviewed by le?

 

[artie gumshoe]

Who is in Chester?

Anyone watching out for the burial of these beautiful young people?

I remain sickened by this situation -- if a "stranger lunatic" did this -- I am shocked that the police haven't notified all to protect themselves. Or have they?

I cannot help but feel for Sheri's mother at this moment -- based on the present confusion, I would want to be screaming -- do not DARE to put my beloveds in the ground there (her only daughter and only grandchildren), bring them back to Chicago where I can bury them. Does anyone suspect what I do -- that these beautiful young people will not long from now be returned for burial, with much love, in Chicago?

Oh...and how about those 3 police task force people at the funeral in Chicago. I don't know how this works, but I kinda like to think that they were there because they "got it" and really were broken hearted alongside the family and showing them support. Cops have hearts.

W

This is true and I agree with you, if a sicko was running around and loose, then someone should let us all know. I know that I have two kids and wife and if I had to go somewhere at night, like make a run to walgreens to get diapers, I don't want to leave them home alone now. The police are leaving the whole town in secrecy and not telling anything, which is scaring and worrying some. A lot of people thought CC did it on day one when he originally told the cops that he was working all night and then later in the day changed his story to being at home all night. You don't change your story on the first day!!!

Basically, if this goes on, till the end of this week and still no suspect or arrest, there will be protestors standing outside the police station demanding justice. There are way too many families in this town for something like this to happen and no one be arrested yet. Come'on, they called in the major case squad: that only happens when Columbia is desperate.

 

[artie gumshoe]

artie...

did you get interviewed by le?

just so I know, who is LE? I've been trying to keep up in the posts. If that means Local Enforcement, then I have been, as well as everyone in the subdivision. They went around tuesday night and went to every door talking to the residents. I didn't see or hear anything personally, because of where my house is, but I do drive by the Coleman's house each morning on my way to work and back.

 

[analytical]

You actually have to go into another app in myspace in order to change yoru mood. If cops were going through her myspace, to look for clues, they would not alter or change anything, and couldn't even under myspace's rules and policies, so that is why it may still say "excited"

With that being said, let me point out that Sheri's MySpace .. unless it has changed since yesterday, has not been logged into since May 4 and her mood was "productive"

It follows logic that a person who is deceased won't be logging into their MySpace account and it doesn't look as if anyone else has.

Tara's account was last logged into on May 9 and May 12. I would assume she is accessing her own account.

Otherwise, if someone were investigating Sheri's MySpace, it would show log-in's past her date of death.