Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

[Jack]

I think the threating letters / notes indicate why: he worked for JMM. She has many employees, so the obvious question in my mind would be "why his family?" I don't know. Maybe the letters indicate why, maybe they don't - we may never know.

If you are sick in the head, and want to get at two people, I would think this is the perfect way of doing it. Bad PR for Joyce Meyer. Frames CC for killing his family.

Is this a stretch? Sure. I'm not saying this is what I believe, I am just tossing out ideas for people to chew on.

The idea is thought provoking... I can see it... A subliminal message to JM... How can this man protect you if he can't even protect his own family...

My mind keeps going back to the fact that the situation as it seems is that someone snuck in to the house during the early morning daylight hours when their would have been people who commute to STL leaving their homes. A huge risk. Surely a murderer who had been threatening for months had had time enough to think it through and realize that rather than striking during such a risky time he/she could have chosen a timeframe where the husband was gone from home and the cover of night would have lessened the chance of being seen.

 

[milopedes]

No, Texas Mist, your questions make sense and that is the strange thing that would make some of us hint that it was not a random killer. Here's the thing, the detective in the subdivision, works nights as well. So, at 6:00am, his marker detective car, would have been visible from the house. Driving into the subdivision, you would pass, between 5:45 and 6:50, no less than two state tropper cars in the apartment lots and then as the road continues on, you would see one more LE car. These cars are all marked, so who would have enough guts to do this in a subdivision where they had the potential of being caught red-handed?

If not CC, there was an idea that it was a mob hit, and no, I am not talking about the Italians. My family has strong ties with the Michael's family if you know anything about STL mobs and if it was a mob hit, the killer would most likely used a gun, with a silencer and a pillow, to keep it super quiet and stop an other discharge from the gun and such. Its easier to shoot and run than stop and strangle. Or actually, the Michael's would have used a car bomb. But still a night hit would have been better, not in broad day-light, with cops everywhere.

Is it possible that the person leaving threats, if not CC, was a neighbor? Maybe one of them had an axe to grind with JMM, or with someone in CC's family, using JMM as a diversionary tactic. This person would know the family schedule, be familar with the neighborhood, and naturally blend in (i.e., no fear of cop cars parked in nearby driveways, etc.).

Is this more of a stretch than CC killing his own family? I don't know.

Regardless, it doesn't really answer the question raised earlier by Texas Mist.

 

[artie gumshoe]

The idea is thought provoking... I can see it... A subliminal message to JM... How can this man protect you if he can't even protect his own family...

My mind keeps going back to the fact that the situation as it seems is that someone snuck in to the house during the early morning daylight hours when their would have been people who commute to STL leaving their homes. A huge risk. Surely a murderer who had been threatening for months had had time enough to think it through and realize that rather than striking during such a risky time he/she could have chosen a timeframe where the husband was gone from home and the cover of night would have lessened the chance of being seen.

Here's the thing though, if these were a case of" I'm going after you and once you are gone I'll go after JM" Then why haven't there been any attempts on JM's life? She is everywhere and without her top security guy, that would leave her vulnerable. And I don't know about everyone else, but if I had threats in the mail telling me that if I don't quit work someone would kill my family, I don't care if I was watching Jesus, himself, I would quit to save my family. At what point did CC say, "you know, protecting this person and or the cash, is more important than my family" ?

 

[milopedes]

My mind keeps going back to the fact that the situation as it seems is that someone snuck in to the house during the early morning daylight hours when their would have been people who commute to STL leaving their homes. A huge risk. Surely a murderer who had been threatening for months had had time enough to think it through and realize that rather than striking during such a risky time he/she could have chosen a timeframe where the husband was gone from home and the cover of night would have lessened the chance of being seen.

But isn't murder in itself, with all the technology at LE's disposal, a "huge risk" these days? I can't think of too many crimes that have been in the news lately, whether it was men killing their own families, a marine killing another pregnant marine, or a mother killing her own daughter - that is not a "huge risk". And most of the time, things are done that do not make sense to us.

Now, some would say "But you only used examples where the relative or close acquaintance was involved!" Yes, but other cases of targeted homicides also possess these risk factors. Sometimes, these acts occur in daylight hours. Sometimes, with others nearby. Sometimes, the brazen nature of these crimes makes one scratch their heads.

 

[chestergal]

Chris' best male friend...

Derek Doiron (he is the one that helped the Coleman's clear out the house and Derek's daddy was on TV asking people not to judge so quickly - plus he is linked to the Grace Church and Ron Coleman and I hear he also lives in Columbia IL)

[ame="http://www.google.com/search?q=Derek+Doiron&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a"]Derek Doiron - Google Search[/ame]

http://www.highpraises.net/youth/derek-doiron.htm (goofy pic of Derek - this picture of him makes me feel like I would not want my kids around him)

 

[Jack]

Here's the thing though, if these were a case of" I'm going after you and once you are gone I'll go after JM" Then why haven't there been any attempts on JM's life? She is everywhere and without her top security guy, that would leave her vulnerable. And I don't know about everyone else, but if I had threats in the mail telling me that if I don't quit work someone would kill my family, I don't care if I was watching Jesus, himself, I would quit to save my family. At what point did CC say, "you know, protecting this person and or the cash, is more important than my family" ?

Well really I hadn't given it much thought because I personally don't believe that it is a case of someone intending to go after JM at all. But if I were in her shoes I'd hire some new unrelated security folks just in case someone decides to try and make it look that way to save CC.

 

[Lindadanette]

Joyce Meyer was in St Petersburg (close to Largo) at the beginning of November 2008.

http://culturemob.com/events/562634...l-tampa-channelside-33602-st-pete-times-forum

This would have been eight months before the murders. The threats are reported to have started nine months ago - close. Did Tara give CC an ultimatum? Did she make threats to CC as a scorned other woman? Did CC maintain a relationship with her to prevent her from ratting him out to Sheri?

 

[milopedes]

Here's the thing though, if these were a case of" I'm going after you and once you are gone I'll go after JM" Then why haven't there been any attempts on JM's life? She is everywhere and without her top security guy, that would leave her vulnerable. And I don't know about everyone else, but if I had threats in the mail telling me that if I don't quit work someone would kill my family, I don't care if I was watching Jesus, himself, I would quit to save my family. At what point did CC say, "you know, protecting this person and or the cash, is more important than my family" ?

Um, I'm not so sure I agree with what you wrote here. He did what he should have done; namely, report it to the police and put up surveillance equipment. Given his background in security, and the fact he was a former Marine, I would think to some degree he would have been a little dismissive (i.e., "I can handle this" or "No one will tell me what to do!").

You cannot run and hide from everything. His job was the support for him and his family. Whose to say that once he quit, the threats would actually cease, and all would be well? And what would he do then? Especially, if his family did have some financial issues?

As for attempts on JM's life, I'm not sure we would be privy to that information. Public attempts? Sure. But, would we really know all the crazy letters she receives on a routine basis? Doubtful. I'm sure the President of the United States gets threatening and crazy letters all the time too, but we do not know about it.

 

[artie gumshoe]

Is it possible that the person leaving threats, if not CC, was a neighbor? Maybe one of them had an axe to grind with JMM, or with someone in CC's family, using JMM as a diversionary tactic. This person would know the family schedule, be familar with the neighborhood, and naturally blend in (i.e., no fear of cop cars parked in nearby driveways, etc.).

Is this more of a stretch than CC killing his own family? I don't know.

Regardless, it doesn't really answer the question raised earlier by Texas Mist.

Its strange, but the community is not that open. I can't really explain it, but it is filled with working people. I've lived in my house for 4 years now and have only physically seen or said hi to my neighbors on one side less than 10 times. Really! The people on one side, probably flip houses, so I am willing to say that he didn't know them too well. The other neighbors are on older couple. Now, besides all of this, if the LE was considering teh threats in the mailbox a very serious thing, don't you think they would have already questioned anyone seen near the mailbox at all? Even if it was a neighbor?

 

[analytical]

I can think of a whole lotta kids that wish they had parents like you.

I'm not sure what you mean but thanks.

 

[chestergal]

I am Pastor Derek Doiron, the Associate Pastor at Grace and 4:13 Youth Leader.

Area: Production-Audio, Teaching

GENERAL INFO: I am a 35 year old Male, 165 pounds, wear a size 10.5 shoe and have no dog.

LIKES: Adventure/Extreme Sports - paintball, snowboarding, rock climbing,

and driving sports cars.


DISLIKES: Whiners and crybabies.


SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT: I am married to our 4:13 youth leader Karen.


WHY SERVING IN 4:13: I want God to be real in young people's lives; to see God in

every part of life, not just church.

http://www.highpraises.net/youth/derek-doiron.htm
(check out the goofy smug on this dudes face - he looks like someone I would not want around my kids)




I am Karen Doiron, the 4:13 Youth Leader.

Area: Tithe, Missions

General Info: I am married to Pastor Derek, have three awesome boys

and one girl hamster (Hammy-Lou-Lou).

Likes: scrap-booking, being in 4:13, singing and my family.

Dislikes: hard labor and sushi!

Something significant or unique: I've been part of 4:13 since 1991.

Why you serve the youth @ 4:13: I want to see young people

experience God, not just know about him.

http://www.highpraises.net/youth/karen-doiron.htm

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello ChesterGal and All,

The children's school: 1 Parkview Dr, Columbia, IL
The children's home: 2800 block of Robert Drive
According to maps.google.com: 2.1 mi – about 6 mins

Then again if there was a bus...going those miles might mean an earlier pickup of the children (stop/go type of thing). The people in charge of the bus for the school would know what time the children were picked up.

There is the school hours (Bell schedule)...

>>The school day begins at 8:05 a.m. Students should arrive between 7:35 a.m. and 8:05 a.m. (classroom doors do not open until 7:45 a.m. ) For the safety of your children, please do not drop them early and unattended.<<

So..."IF" -- just thinking -- the bus took an hour to get to the school maybe, it picked the children up at 7:05AM? (ArtieG said comes around 7, 7:30) OR did Sheri drive the children to school? Does anyone in the neighborhood know how the children got to school -- bus or Sheri driving? If all I had to do was drive 2 miles to get my kids to school in order to have them avoid an hour on the bus ("IF" that is what it took, I wouldn't be letting them sit on a bus all that time, if possible.)

How long did it take mom and kids to get them ready for the bus, an hour? More? If he left the house at 5:43AM (and for the life of me, I'm not sure how they got that "exact time" ChesterGal, but someone got it and may be using it to counter an earlier admission of 5:30AM leaving) -- then he figured that he ought to be waking Sheri and the kids up not only "JUST" after he left the house (gads he could have awakened them before he left), but also more than an hour before they needed to be to the bus (IF they took the bus and IF it arrived at 7:05AM which seems a bit of a stretch).

IF the children took the bus -- where was the bus route pickup point? How long did it take the children to get to the bus pickup area?

How reasonable is it for a man who has "just" left his home to start calling to wake up a family he could have awakened before he left. Was he just checking to see if they had gotten up? Do phone messages left to them reflect that?

What are the possibilities that Sheri and the kids didn't have their schedule down and were faithful and successful with it, did they need dad to make sure they handled things? If so, was this a consistency in his phone calls?

W

 

[Texas Mist]

No, Texas Mist, your questions make sense and that is the strange thing that would make some of us hint that it was not a random killer. Here's the thing, the detective in the subdivision, works nights as well. So, at 6:00am, his marked detective car, would have been visible from the house. Driving into the subdivision, you would pass, between 5:45 and 6:50, no less than two state tropper cars in the apartment lots and then as the road continues on, you would see one more LE car. These cars are all marked, so who would have enough guts to do this in a subdivision where they had the potential of being caught red-handed?

If not CC, there was an idea that it was a mob hit, and no, I am not talking about the Italians. My family has strong ties with the Michael's family if you know anything about STL mobs and if it was a mob hit, the killer would most likely used a gun, with a silencer and a pillow, to keep it super quiet and stop an other discharge from the gun and such. Its easier to shoot and run than stop and strangle. Or actually, the Michael's would have used a car bomb. But still a night hit would have been better, not in broad day-light, with cops everywhere.

My bold -- ITA! hitmen (hired or otherwise) get in & out as quickly as possible! And I've considered the carbomb/mailbomb, etc thing too would seem more in line with a "professional" killer...but that's not what happened here.

This case also makes me think of one here in Texas years ago...David Temple who murdered his 8-months pregnant wife...Altho he made sure he was on video @ Home Depot & the grocery store, he had a 45-minute window that he could not account for, not to mention the inconsistencies & the hinky way he acted on the 911 call, the g/f on the side, etc.

He wanted folks to believe an unknown perp/would-be burglar broke into the home, murdered his pregnant wife, execution style with a 12-ga. shotgun in broad daylight of late afternoon.

He also tried to play the "I was framed" card....yeah, right.

I guess that's why it's so hard for me to believe anyone but CC could have done this even knowing logically that there *could* be other explanations, e.g., a maniac, angry ex-lover, JMM hater, etc.

 

[Jack]

But isn't murder in itself, with all the technology at LE's disposal, a "huge risk" these days? I can't think of too many crimes that have been in the news lately, whether it was men killing their own families, a marine killing another pregnant marine, or a mother killing her own daughter - that is not a "huge risk". And most of the time, things are done that do not make sense to us.

Now, some would say "But you only used examples where the relative or close acquaintance was involved!" Yes, but other cases of targeted homicides also possess these risk factors. Sometimes, these acts occur in daylight hours. Sometimes, with others nearby. Sometimes, the brazen nature of these crimes makes one scratch their heads.

You're right of course. But I personally think that in the end we're going to find that the reason this particular crime occurred in the manner and time it did is because of the person who did it. While twisted plots and "out there" scenarios do occasionally happen they are few and far between. I think in the end the evidence will show how simplistic this crime really was and that the person who committed it thought he could outsmart everyone just because he thought he was really that smart. That happens alot.

 

[fran]

Police say they're close to solving triple homicide

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/illinois.family.slain/index.html


According to Connor, Christopher Coleman -- the boys' father and Sheri Coleman's husband -- left the house at 5:43 a.m., and drove to a gym to work out. "Shortly thereafter he started calling his house, realized that nobody was answering and on his way back at around 6:50 is when he made the phone call to the Columbia Police Department," Connor said.

Connor said Coleman told police he started calling his house shortly after leaving it because he "was making sure the kids were getting up for school."


Odd that they know he left the house at 5:43am - how do they know this? (did the camera to the subdivision pick up his SUV on camera or did his own security camera catch him leaving? or did he make a cell call when he left and a local tower picked it up?

Recall how we originally heard the victim's husband said he'd left home at 5:30? Now LE has emphacized several times, 5:43 a.m.............

I believe he did a Scott Peterson and added a few minutes to allow more time for the crime to have occurred. SP said he'd left at 9:30 a.m. He thought he'd have the entire day for Laci's disappearance to have occurred, but he wasn't counting on the neighbor retrieving the leashed dog just minutes after he'd given as his departure time, ie 10:22 a.m.(dog returned) or something close to that. But then it was learned during trial that in fact there was only a 10 minute window of opportunity for the crime as SP's attorney had reiterated the infamous Meringue/Martha Stewart debacle which aired at 9:50 and then he was traced by cell phone call (LOL, to himself no less! ) made it 10:10 a.m.

I think we have a similar scenario here but I'm not sure which camera may have captured the departing husband's image. I believe the TOD will do him in further.

JMHO
fran

 

[artie gumshoe]

I'm sure the President of the United States gets threatening and crazy letters all the time too, but we do not know about it.

snipped by me:

I'm sure the President gets these letters all of the time also, but, the secret service takes each and every one into consideration and investigates each one. I may be different than CC, in fact I know it. But how many of you reading this on here would have made the choice or gone with it. So, no matter what you do, be it sit in front and work on a computer all day, like me or do something more active for your job, if you received threats for 9 months telling you not to do something related to your job or your family dies, and even after you put up cameras and warned the cops and the school and everyone else, they still came, wouldn't you quit your job? Or would you say, they are just threats and not worry about them?

I wouldn't say that it is running and hiding from anything as long as the LE looks into it as well. I will say the Coleman's didn't live in that house for more than a year or two, and since it has been built there have been three families living in there. We know that they had a house in Fenton, I think. Maybe THEY did try running and hiding but since it was related to CC's work, he didn't stop there so they still came.

Sure, I'll admit to being a coward, if it saves someone's life. I woudl quit my job to save my family. If I still received threats, related to my job, after I quit, then I would get cops to investigate this as much as I can.

 

[chestergal]

Hello ChesterGal and All,

The children's school: 1 Parkview Dr, Columbia, IL
The children's home: 2800 block of Robert Drive
According to maps.google.com: 2.1 mi – about 6 mins

Then again if there was a bus...going those miles might mean an earlier pickup of the children (stop/go type of thing). The people in charge of the bus for the school would know what time the children were picked up.

There is the school hours (Bell schedule)...

>>The school day begins at 8:05 a.m. Students should arrive between 7:35 a.m. and 8:05 a.m. (classroom doors do not open until 7:45 a.m. ) For the safety of your children, please do not drop them early and unattended.<<

So..."IF" -- just thinking -- the bus took an hour to get to the school maybe, it picked the children up at 7:05AM? (ArtieG said comes around 7, 7:30) OR did Sheri drive the children to school? Does anyone in the neighborhood know how the children got to school -- bus or Sheri driving? If all I had to do was drive 2 miles to get my kids to school in order to have them avoid an hour on the bus ("IF" that is what it took, I wouldn't be letting them sit on a bus all that time, if possible.)

How long did it take mom and kids to get them ready for the bus, an hour? More? If he left the house at 5:43AM (and for the life of me, I'm not sure how they got that "exact time" ChesterGal, but someone got it and may be using it to counter an earlier admission of 5:30AM leaving) -- then he figured that he ought to be waking Sheri and the kids up not only "JUST" after he left the house (gads he could have awakened them before he left), but also more than an hour before they needed to be to the bus (IF they took the bus and IF it arrived at 7:05AM which seems a bit of a stretch).

IF the children took the bus -- where was the bus route pickup point? How long did it take the children to get to the bus pickup area?

How reasonable is it for a man who has "just" left his home to start calling to wake up a family he could have awakened before he left. Was he just checking to see if they had gotten up? Do phone messages left to them reflect that?

What are the possibilities that Sheri and the kids didn't have their schedule down and were faithful and successful with it, did they need dad to make sure they handled things? If so, was this a consistency in his phone calls?

W

As you know I can't answer the bus questions because I don't know. But maybe the told LE that he did wake them up before he left but that they tend to fall back to sleep and that is why he called continuously after he left to make sure they did get out of bed.

 

[analytical]

I think the threating letters / notes indicate why: he worked for JMM. She has many employees, so the obvious question in my mind would be "why his family?" I don't know. Maybe the letters indicate why, maybe they don't - we may never know.

If you are sick in the head, and want to get at two people, I would think this is the perfect way of doing it. Bad PR for Joyce Meyer. Frames CC for killing his family.

Is this a stretch? Sure. I'm not saying this is what I believe, I am just tossing out ideas for people to chew on.

Thanks, milopedes.

 

[TallCoolOne]

THANK YOU for that picture! That was the one I was looking for earlier today. I haven't heard anything about them processing CC's SUV for evidence; has anyone else? It would make sense to do so, as if he is the suspect that would be the vehicle he may have had evidence in before he tossed it.

Hmmmm....... all that equipment and yet all he could muster up to protect his family from unknown threats (threats that were so scary that he had only been away from his home for a very short time yet he was so concerned that he had to call 911?) was a camera aimed at the mailbox and another at the lake?

Oh, I know, those nasty little golffish were going to send a bomb in the mail!

Whew! I knew we'd solve it!!

 

[Texas Mist]

As you know I can't answer the bus questions because I don't know. But maybe the told LE that he did wake them up before he left but that they tend to fall back to sleep and that is why he called continuously after he left to make sure they did get out of bed.

can't remember if I read it here or on another board, but it was said that Sheri took the boys to school & they didn't ride the bus.