Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

[TallCoolOne]

Believe me, the Coleman case was the hot topic of the night. He's been out on medical leave, but promised to ask some questions for me tomorrow and report back to me tomorrow night at his planned bday celebration with the rest of the neighbors. Just seeing if I can get some rumors confirmed or blown out of the water

FWIW, always bring vodka, never donuts :crazy:

You my dear, are a very smart woman! :blowkiss:

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I don't know why this article makes me laugh a little. It just amazes me how the media will overplay everything.


http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-090512-coleman-services.1b084ae0.html

 

[Boytwnmom]

although they do still like to drink

HAHA .. I think of Susan Boyle

 

[Melanie]

1. You have suspects in any homicide. It is natural, and many times, the police are wrong.

Does he outwardly seem guilty to me? Yes. Could he be innocent? Yes. There is still so much we don't know.

Hi Milo,

Respectfully snipped for space

You know we're bantering back n' forth with no real evidence set forth - only our own opinions. And I do respect those on BOTH sides.

I was thinking just this morning about Ronald Ricci, who died in prison, for being wrongly held in prison for the dissapearance of Elizabeth Smart. I mean this guy died of a brain hemorrhage in the Utah State Prison and after the arrest of Brian David Mitchell, a homeless street preacher, and his wife, Wanda Barzee, for the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart.

While he was only there 2 months, is was 2 months too long.

Anyway - I think you get the jist of my post. We can assume all we want, but until I see some real evidence (like in the A case) like cell phone pings, phone records, etc. I will keep my mind open.

It's happened before (wrongly accused) and it will happen again. I just pray that the perp who killed this beautiful mother and her children is brought to swift justice.

All the best,

Mel

 

[SuziQ]

I wanna know how the Ninja killer would have known that Sheri hadn't woke up when Chris got up to leave the house? Or that Sheri wasn't at least laying in bed awake? A mistake like that would have led to a chaotic scene of three people running around and screaming. All it would take is one person letting out a scream. And how would this Ninja killer be guaranteed the others wouldn't be waking up to start their day as well?

And where was his car?

 

[artie gumshoe]

I think two things would have to be known:

First of all, the bus goes to each house, individually, that has kids to be picked up. I have no idea if Sheri drove the kids, since the bus picking up kids is given and done anyway.

Secondly, we don't know if the kids were always late on tuesday mornings. Maybe if Sheri woke up late each tuesday it would warrent a call from CC to wake them up.

Which is fishy, they should have been up already at that time.

 

[TallCoolOne]

Whenever someone has the time, could you forward me the info. on this? Thanks in advance!

Sorry so late, but could I bother someone for the link also? Pretty please????

And if so, :blowkiss:Thank you kindly!!

 

[chestergal]

I don't know why this article makes me laugh a little. It just amazes me how the media will overplay everything.


http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-090512-coleman-services.1b084ae0.html

LOL... Headline: Suspect in Columbia murders is a man.

KMOV sucks anyhow!

 

[Nehemiah]

That certainly may not be what's happening with JMM. But it could be. Based on what WE know, it seems a bit early in the game for them to withdraw their support entirely. IMO

I venture to say that the withdrawing support at this point is primarily due to the affair. I think that once that info came out, JMM would have to ask for his resignation as that goes against biblical principle. The murder charge (if that does transpire) will most likely receive a "statement" from JMM; when/if that does happen, he is no longer an employee. SOP

JMO of course.

 

[Lindadanette]

Hi Wrinkles - you said:

"How reasonable is it for a man who has "just" left his home to start calling to wake up a family he could have awakened before he left. Was he just checking to see if they had gotten up? Do phone messages left to them reflect that?"

I must confess that my husband leaves for work at around 6 am and I often use him as a "snooze alarm" to get an extra 1/2 hour of sleep before my granddaughters arrive for the day. (Especially when I've been up sleuthing half the night!)

I don't think that a daily call is so unusual, whether to say "good morning" when he was working the night shift, or to micro-manage if he is a control freak. But when you add the call to the neighbor/cop, it morphs into something else entirely.

The only way that I can possibly believe that CC didn't do this is if someone, like TK, enrolled someone else to assassinate his family and executed a complicated plan to keep him away in the middle of the night so that the murders could occur then.

Since MCS is confident that this is the work of one person, I think we agree who that suspect is.

 

[SuziQ]

Hi Milo,

Respectfully snipped for space

You know we're bantering back n' forth with no real evidence set forth - only our own opinions. And I do respect those on BOTH sides.

I was thinking just this morning about Ronald Ricci, who died in prison, for being wrongly held in prison for the dissapearance of Elizabeth Smart. I mean this guy died of a brain hemorrhage in the Utah State Prison and after the arrest of Brian David Mitchell, a homeless street preacher, and his wife, Wanda Barzee, for the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart.

While he was only there 2 months, is was 2 months too long.

Anyway - I think you get the jist of my post. We can assume all we want, but until I see some real evidence (like in the A case) like cell phone pings, phone records, etc. I will keep my mind open.

It's happened before (wrongly accused) and it will happen again. I just pray that the perp who killed this beautiful mother and her children is brought to swift justice.

All the best,

Mel

Let me clear up a common misconception about Richard Ricci. He was suspected of involvement in the Elizabeth Smart case, but was arrested for a parole violation. He admitted to stealing from the Smarts and he was a life long criminal and drug addict, having once shot a police officer in the face. He was facing a three strikes out situation at the time of his death. ETA: Ricci put his own self back in jail.

He was never charged, tried, or wrongfully convicted of anything related to Elizabeth Smart.

 

[Melanie]

I think two things would have to be known:

First of all, the bus goes to each house, individually, that has kids to be picked up. I have no idea if Sheri drove the kids, since the bus picking up kids is given and done anyway.

Secondly, we don't know if the kids were always late on tuesday mornings. Maybe if Sheri woke up late each tuesday it would warrent a call from CC to wake them up.

Which is fishy, they should have been up already at that time.

Thanks Artie. You know, I'm a SAHM, and also take my son to school (we don't have a bus system here in bankrupt California).

But what I'd like to know is if Sheri may have been ill that morning. Now that would warrant a call. I had surgery back in December, and after all my help had left, I do recall my husband calling me once to make sure I was up because I was so tired those days. If we're both not up by 6 AM it makes for a difficult and stressful morning.

So I think that's important info to know. Because if she had a good night sleep, and CC left for the gym, she would most likely stay awake, ready to get the boys up.

Also, remember it's the end of the school year (unless they were in year round) and by know they should have the routine down pat (I know I do). Now even my son gets up before me sometimes! So this getting up on time shouldn't be an issue.

And, again, it's important to know his calling pattern when he went to the gym. I hope we get to see that.

All the best,

Mel

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello ArtieG,

You wrote:
>>The rumor that Sheri was a big spender and if that was true and CC didn't make a lot of money at that job<<

I believe I have seen in the course of looking at this that CC made 100K a year. I don't have that resource now, but that is quite a reasonable wage isn't it? There? Of course it isn't if the couple never took a thought of income/expense.

If Sheri was a big spender, I have to wonder how much was also being spent out of that family's budget for an affair -- and not by Sheri, and probably with no receipts for how the money was spent. Hmmm...wonder who managed that family's checkbook and bank account. Wonder what Chris' ATMs were and in what proximity to the "love lair" attendances.

I know you are not even trying to attempt to say that Sheri was a big spender, but that this was rumored. I would be curious about the rumors though -- precisely who said she was a big spender, and upon what did she spend it? Whether she was or not, I think we can all agree you don't shuffle her into a body bag for that.

I have personally counseled couples on their spending, doing the how to get out of debt and stay out of debt deal, it is quite enlightening when you see just who is really doing the money dumping. You comb through bank records, check registers (if they kept them) and then you ask a lot of questions -- what was this for? Ohhhh....ouch.

W

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Whenever someone has the time, could you forward me the info. on this? Thanks in advance!

Me too please, if you would! Thanks!


I found it!!!!!

 

[milopedes]

Its strange, but the community is not that open. I can't really explain it, but it is filled with working people. I've lived in my house for 4 years now and have only physically seen or said hi to my neighbors on one side less than 10 times. Really! The people on one side, probably flip houses, so I am willing to say that he didn't know them too well. The other neighbors are on older couple. Now, besides all of this, if the LE was considering teh threats in the mailbox a very serious thing, don't you think they would have already questioned anyone seen near the mailbox at all? Even if it was a neighbor?

Yes, they probably would have. If that person was seen.

But in what you wrote, seeing as you are from this neighborhood, you just answered many of the potentially baffling questions people have raised:

1. Why would he call police rather than a neighbor?

2. Why would someone risk being seen at that time of day (i.e., people leaving for work, kids going to school, etc.)?

Well, as you wrote: " I've lived in my house for 4 years now and have only physically seen or said hi to my neighbors on one side less than 10 times."
So, that answer some questions; assuming the neighborhood is as you write, and that CC and his family were no more potentially "outgoing" than you!

 

[Melanie]

Let me clear up a common misconception about Richard Ricci. He was suspected of involvement in the Elizabeth Smart case, but was arrested for a parole violation. He admitted to stealing from the Smarts and he was a life long criminal and drug addict, having once shot a police officer in the face. He was facing a three strikes out situation at the time of his death.

He was never charged, tried, or wrongfully convicted of anything related to Elizabeth Smart.

Hi,

I don't want to get off topic, but the wife of Richard Ricci, who was wrongly suspected in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart and died while being held in prison, settled her wrongful death lawsuit against the Utah Department of Corrections for $150,000.

That tells me LE did something wrong, and the parole violation had little to do with it.

He was brought in on a parole violation -- but he was the the top suspect in the Smart kidnapping long after his death in August 2002.

Me - I look at the money trail. And again, if LE did no wrong, why pay the widow $150K?

I don't want to get busted, so I'll apologize for bringing it up and will get back on topic.

Thanks!

Mel

 

[chestergal]

Grace church ministries
4:13 youth group, in Chester, IL.

"I can do all things because Christ gives me the strength." (New life version)

http://www.highpraises.net/youth/main.htm (lots of pictures of Chester Folks who attend Grace Church)


Team 413. It was based on Philippians verse 4:13, &#8220;I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"

 

[artie gumshoe]

I wanna know how the Ninja killer would have known that Sheri hadn't woke up when Chris got up to leave the house? Or that Sheri wasn't at least laying in bed awake? A mistake like that would have led to a chaotic scene of three people running around and screaming. All it would take is one person letting out a scream. And how would this Ninja killer be guaranteed the others wouldn't be waking up to start their day as well?

And where was his car?

I am VERY familiar with th layout of their house, because I grew up in one just like it. By age 9 or 10, I was able to jump down the last few steps on the staircase, if I was in a rush. I don't know any child who can't run down a flight of steps quickly. So, I think SuziQ could be right that if a ninja, dwarf ninja or alien, was to get into the house and they didn't know that the family was up or some of them was up, then how would he have did the rest of his plan? I'm thinking of super ninjas, form the movies, but three people, getting ready to leave the house, someone would have noticed a ninja coming for them and screamed. That scream would have alerted the house. If Sheri knew that there were threats against her, she would have called the LE, maybe she had a direct line, since they already had contact with the LE. Unless the ninja came prepared, the older child was on the football team and the baseball team. He may have had some skill in flailing his arms wildly and kicking like mad, which may have injured the ninja in some way. even ninjas can be kicked in the groin. I know that if the older boy or the younger could not have done anything, they may have tried to run for it. If a child came out of that house, screaming, the neighbors would have been on that house in a minute or less. Whcih means cops would have been there in under a minute. In Columbia, the cops dispatch the closest one, even if he is off, so that would have been the detective. The detective would have had to wake up, get some coffee and a gun and run over there or just run over there, as he may have herad the screaming.

My Point: if the family was awake, then there would have been commotion that would have surprised any would-be killer. Whcih woudl have caused chaos.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Me too please, if you would! Thanks!

I sent it to you.

 

[Texas Mist]

Yes, they probably would have. If that person was seen.

But in what you wrote, seeing as you are from this neighborhood, you just answered many of the potentially baffling questions people have raised:

1. Why would he call police rather than a neighbor?

2. Why would someone risk being seen at that time of day (i.e., people leaving for work, kids going to school, etc.)?

Well, as you wrote: " I've lived in my house for 4 years now and have only physically seen or said hi to my neighbors on one side less than 10 times."
So, that answer some questions; assuming the neighborhood is as you write, and that CC and his family were no more potentially "outgoing" than you!

milopedes, FWIW, I read @ another site that CC's call to "police" was a policeman neighbor...now if this is true, this would prevent a taping of a 911 call...hmmmm, right?

Too bad we have so little facts at this time...however, I guess the rumors do help with speculation & working out some of the "why's" & "when's" (?).