Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[SuziQ]

I think the FBI came on board to offer assistance as they normally do in such a case. The MCS, fortunately, stepped in to the lead role in the investigation because of the limited experience of the smaller agency.

If LE found the threats were criminal (which they have stated they did not determine if a crime was committed) and involved tampering with the mail, the US Postal Service would be investigating the threats, imo. They have their own specialized task force to deal with such things.

I can't wait to find out what the threats were. If the threats were very serious in nature, you would expect LE to state they don't know who made them or something along those lines. But they are publicly stating they did not determine if a crime was commited. That kinda tells me that the threats may have been more of a hateful nuisance type thing than an actual threat of harm. Maybe something like "Your boss is a loser and you are a loser for working for her!" or "You deserve to get hit by a bus for working for JMM." IMO, statements of those nature would be someone expressing their opinion and not a threat.

 

[waterlooinspector]

The Chester church cult is some 50 miles away from Columbia IL - the trial will take place in Monroe county - Chester is in Randolph County.

But the slug CC could land in Menard Prison for 1st degree triple murders, which is here in Chester IL. I bet he will be begging to be placed in Menard. What a overcrowded hell hole it is.

Just wonder how well he will be treated in the Monroe County Slammer here in Waterloo, Chestergal.....I do not think bail will be offered...but I could be wrong.....too much of a flight risk....

 

[chestergal]

This exactly where I'm coming from. NPD. I just didn't want to "say it" out loud yet. One of the reasons I was going out there posting about possible homelife. Many people are not aware of what this type of personality can do to a person/family. It can be so very insidious. I think this may be a possible background regarding the murder of this family.

I truly believe he has NPD and I am sure his slimy atty's are already looking into PD as a defense. When this goes to trial I hope they have an open court. I just know his atty's are going to rip Sheri to pieces every chance they get.

 

[Carrington]

I don't think the threats had anything to do with the post office.
They were hand delivered, not using the mail only using the mailbox.
That's the reason for the camera pointed at the box.
IMO

 

[mikeysmommom]

I don't think the threats had anything to do with the post office.
They were hand delivered, not using the mail only using the mailbox.
That's the reason for the camera pointed at the box.
IMO

In NJ it is against the law to put anything in a persons mailbox.

 

[chestergal]

Just wonder how well he will be treated in the Monroe County Slammer here in Waterloo, Chestergal.....I do not think bail will be offered...but I could be wrong.....too much of a flight risk....

Probably no bail offer as I think he will go down with 1st degree triple murder and they will put him on suicide watch (his atty will advise to act suicidal) that way he will be kept out harms way in jail.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I truly believe he has NPD and I am sure his slimy atty's are already looking into PD as a defense. When this goes to trial I hope they have an open court. I just know his atty's are going to rip Sheri to pieces every chance they get.

Thing is, it is not a medical defect of mind. "If" CC is diagnosed with NPD, he still knows right from wrong. NPD know, they just don't care. He simply made a choice that would benefit himself. Defense would be hard bent trying to prove "it wasn't his fault". Will not fly, imho.

 

[pferrin]

I truly believe he has NPD and I am sure his slimy atty's are already looking into PD as a defense. When this goes to trial I hope they have an open court. I just know his atty's are going to rip Sheri to pieces every chance they get.

I can't believe how low some attys can go. I pray for Sheris family that this doesn't happen.
Just wanted to say thanks Chestergal for your insight and input.

 

[chestergal]

When I say I hope they have an open court. I say that because I would like to sit in court.
Not because I want to see them rip Sheri apart. (I think you all understood what I meant about open court)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think the threats had anything to do with the post office.
They were hand delivered, not using the mail only using the mailbox.
That's the reason for the camera pointed at the box.
IMO

There are laws against putting anything...even an innocent flyer...into a mailbox. I think the reason LE wasn't certain about a crime having been committed was because they had no proof the threats ever went into the mailbox. Obviously, the threats were not coming through the mail since the camera would only catch the postman delivering standard mail. Chris could have simply put the note with the mail when he took it out of the box.

 

[waterlooinspector]

I was wondering if we had in the group here who could profile an ex marine.

I am fully aware of the profile of someone who belongs to a religious cult. The controling aspect over their lives can be sureal, even to the point of ingoring the law of the land and only being held accountable to the rules of the church....nothing else matters.

It would appear to me that Marines view themselves as the best of the best...proud...perhaps invincable?

The combination of the two types of profiles makes me wonder.

And, NO, I do not mean to demean anyone in the group who are currently Marines, either EX or otherwise. Do they have trouble adjusting to private life after leaving the service?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I truly believe he has NPD and I am sure his slimy atty's are already looking into PD as a defense. When this goes to trial I hope they have an open court. I just know his atty's are going to rip Sheri to pieces every chance they get.

If they attempt to rip Sheri to pieces, they should expect a backlash from the jury. I don't know they will risk going that way. I think they will aim more towards trying to discredit the evidence, LE, and expert witnesses. They will probably stick with the SODDI defense.

 

[chestergal]

I can't believe how low some attys can go. I pray for Sheris family that this doesn't happen.
Just wanted to say thanks Chestergal for your insight and input.

No problem - thanks for reading and dealing with my typos and poor grammar.

 

[TallCoolOne]

In NJ it is against the law to put anything in a persons mailbox.

I think mailbox tampering is a government offense.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I think mailbox tampering is a government offense.

Its Federal

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I was wondering if we had in the group here who could profile an ex marine.

I am fully aware of the profile of someone who belongs to a religious cult. The controling aspect over their lives can be sureal, even to the point of ingoring the law of the land and only being held accountable to the rules of the church....nothing else matters.

It would appear to me that Marines view themselves as the best of the best...proud...perhaps invincable?

The combination of the two types of profiles makes me wonder.

And, NO, I do not mean to demean anyone in the group who are currently Marines, either EX or otherwise. Do they have trouble adjusting to private life after leaving the service?

We haven't heard much about his career as a Marine. We know he was with the K-9 unit and an MP. Did he serve outside the country? Was he ever in a battle zone? There are factors which are needed to even begin to a profile a former Marine.

 

[chestergal]

If they attempt to rip Sheri to pieces, they should expect a backlash from the jury. I don't know they will risk going that way. I think they will aim more towards trying to discredit the evidence, LE, and expert witnesses. They will probably stick with the SODDI defense.

Maybe we will get lucky and he will write a confession note to Sheri's family or LE and mail it and then leave a suicide note for his family just before he does himself in. That way no one will have to go the trial and the tax payers won't have to pay to convict, jail and in prison this ***hole.

On another note I wonder if 4 plots in a row were bought at the cemetery in Chester cause I sure hope they don't bury him next to Sheri and the boys if he does do himself in.

I hope Sheri's family can get a court order down the road to move Sheri and the boys up to Chicago.

Bless you Sheri's family - there are many in Chester who are praying for your family and these are people not sucked in by Grace Church or the Coleman family.
I want you to know that I will place flowers on their graves for you when I know you cannot because you are so far away.

 

[Carrington]

There are laws against putting anything...even an innocent flyer...into a mailbox. I think the reason LE wasn't certain about a crime having been committed was because they had no proof the threats ever went into the mailbox. Obviously, the threats were not coming through the mail since the camera would only catch the postman delivering standard mail. Chris could have simply put the note with the mail when he took it out of the box.

That's exactly what I think.
I posted a longtime ago that if the mailbox was a threat to the mail-person, (IE: bomb, snake) he/she would not be delivering to the Coleman home. CC would have to go the post office and pick-up his mail.
No one in authority bought his letter threat story.
IMO

 

[Wrinkles]

Okey dokey,

Dissecting and rehashing this chunk of text...

>>The family also had a previous interaction with Columbia Police when they called them to document some interaction between an unknown individual and themselves.

“There was some interaction between an unknown individual and them that was just suspicious in nature. We don’t even know that it was a crime; they just contacted the police and wanted to document some incidents,” said Deputy Commander Jeff Connor. “We’re looking at anybody at this time; I’m not ruling out anybody. It’s just too early; we’re just a few hours into this investigation and we’re not ready to out anybody,” he added.<<

Here's another article and what it says:
>>Neighbors said he had told them in the past of receiving threatening letters related to his work for Meyer.

On Tuesday, Connor said that the Coleman family had called the police in the past but declined to be very specific. "It was just some ... there was some interaction between an unknown individual and them that was suspicious in nature." He said it wasn't necessarily about a crime but that "they contacted police and wanted to document some incidents."

A neighbor, Michelle Kunzelman, said police knocked on her door and the doors of other neighbors last week and asked if anyone had seen anything unusual related to the Colemans' mailbox.<<

The above is somewhat vague. I do not read the above as referring to the mailbox threats necessarily (i.e. the part about an "interaction between an unknown individual") Wouldn't Connor have said "There were threats put into their mailbox, they wanted this documented." It sounds like an "interaction" means some unknown individual and them, someone whose name they did not have, "interacted" -- face to face. For some reason, I see the mailbox thing and the "interaction between an unknown individual and them that was suspicious" as two separate things.

Although the above is quite vague and comes together with a mention of the mailbox being mentioned to neighbors -- I don't know that this interaction about which it is stated, "He said it wasn't necessarily about a crime," had to do with the mailbox thing.

Clearly, and I think Connor would know it, tampering with a mailbox is a crime. Also -- putting death threats into a mailbox and then a murder happening -- would make those threats a part of the crime, right?

So...when I read that interaction thing -- I'm thinking they interacted with someone who they didn't recognize in their neighborhood AND about whom they wanted to document a report, just in case of something...

In effect -- at this point, I am keeping the threats and the interaction in two different baskets for the moment.

W

 

[mikeysmommom]

Found this it explains camping trip this makes more sense.

to be or not to be May 17, 2009 11:01AM CST
My heart goes out to the woman who have posted their trials and tribulations with their ex's and their children. Thank you for posting.In regards to the family camping the weekend prior to the murder -- Sheri and CC did not go camping. The boys went camping with another family who have children the same age. Now whether CC and SC went camping on their own, I do not know. However, the boys were camping with their friends from Columbia.I, too, am curious about someone posting that Sheri was planning on moving out. I have not read anything in regards to this. Is this true?