Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[mikeysmommom]

Good question...sorry for going OT everyone.
In a nutshell, I just think lack of money is a poor excuse to go out and murder one's family. Come to think of it, I can't think of any reason to do it. Whatever this person was thinking, he/she is one incredibly disturbed individual. If I was LE, I would want this person behind bars pronto. That part I'm not getting.

Me either I believe CC did it IMO.I think there might be more going on behind the scenes because if you call in MCS and they feel they have the goods on CC and IMO they were waiting on his block for the warrant to arrest him, Why call in the experts if your not going to listen to them.

 

[Lindadanette]

Woohoo! Hours later, I am totally caught up on the thread, go me!

Now I have opinions. Go me x 2.

Blackmail, surveillance, re-financing the house, red herrings. Occam's Razor. Sure, there are lots of innocent reasons to put assests under the name of one spouse. If that's true that it was innocently done, it's completely irrelevant. Then again, it could be a part of a pattern or controlling, hypocritical, and classically narcissitic behavior that culminated in the methodically planned murders of his wife and children and his overly complicated and, at the same time, very naive cover up.

Welcome :clap:

 

[mikeysmommom]

You know, it might be a different type of corruption - Maybe CC filmed JM showing a side of herself that she wouldn't want broadcast on Utube.

He might have gotten her in a lapse of behavior, it could even be a rival Ministry he was watching but I still believe he and he alone killed his family IMO.

 

[chestergal]

I got it...

2854 Robert Drive

 

[waterlooinspector]

I have been pondering the Joyce Meyer connection all day. Those of us here in the Gateway City know how much she and her empire have been exposed, and much of it not for the good.

If it was not lust and the other woman angle that caused CC to snap, it makes you think that there had to be something else. We have all been told, "follow the money".

The strange actions of JM on the morning of the tragic event makes me feel something else was up. If there was something in the JMM that CC was privy to and was trying to extort.....lord, just think how much that information could be worth to you know who to keep quiet.

Just thought I would throw this bone out there to see if there are any nibbles....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Firelion~ I go take a nap and have to read a novel before I am caught up again. They move fast around here. LOL

I can't wait until all of Chris Coleman's skeletons and patterns emerge in this case. He will probably turn out just as you stated...classically narcissistic. No different than Drew P., Scott P., Craig Stebic, etc. (It would be great if we could stamp tats on their foreheads before their wives end up missing or dead that says, "WARNING- INSIDE".)

Go you x 2!!

Originally Posted by firelion
Woohoo! Hours later, I am totally caught up on the thread, go me!

Now I have opinions. Go me x 2.

Blackmail, surveillance, re-financing the house, red herrings. Occam's Razor. Sure, there are lots of innocent reasons to put assests under the name of one spouse. If that's true that it was innocently done, it's completely irrelevant. Then again, it could be a part of a pattern or controlling, hypocritical, and classically narcissitic behavior that culminated in the methodically planned murders of his wife and children and his overly complicated and, at the same time, very naive cover up.

 

[analytical]

I have been pondering the Joyce Meyer connection all day. Those of us here in the Gateway City know how much she and her empire have been exposed, and much of it not for the good.

If it was not lust and the other woman angle that caused CC to snap, it makes you think that there had to be something else. We have all been told, "follow the money".

The strange actions of JM on the morning of the tragic event makes me feel something else was up. If there was something in the JMM that CC was privy to and was trying to extort.....lord, just think how much that information could be worth to you know who to keep quiet.

Just thought I would throw this bone out there to see if there are any nibbles....

nibble, nibble, crunch, crunch .. thanks!

 

[Texas Mist]

Woohoo! Hours later, I am totally caught up on the thread, go me!

Now I have opinions. Go me x 2.

Blackmail, surveillance, re-financing the house, red herrings. Occam's Razor. Sure, there are lots of innocent reasons to put assests under the name of one spouse. If that's true that it was innocently done, it's completely irrelevant. Then again, it could be a part of a pattern of controlling, hypocritical, and classically narcissitic behavior that culminated in the methodically planned murders of his wife and children and his overly complicated and, at the same time, very naive cover up.

You pretty much summed it up, firelion.

 

[JBean]

I got it...

2854 Robert Drive

Th assessed value of the house hasn't changed much.

 

[analytical]

Th assessed value of the house hasn't changed much.

I noticed that too when I looked last week. But then assessed doesn't necessarily equate to market value.

I tried finding the previous listing when it was reportedly on the market but had no luck.

 

[RR0004]

Woohoo! Hours later, I am totally caught up on the thread, go me!

Now I have opinions. Go me x 2.

Blackmail, surveillance, re-financing the house, red herrings. Occam's Razor. Sure, there are lots of innocent reasons to put assests under the name of one spouse. If that's true that it was innocently done, it's completely irrelevant. Then again, it could be a part of a pattern of controlling, hypocritical, and classically narcissitic behavior that culminated in the methodically planned murders of his wife and children and his overly complicated and, at the same time, very naive cover up.

Thank you for putting it so succinctly!

 

[mikeysmommom]

I have been pondering the Joyce Meyer connection all day. Those of us here in the Gateway City know how much she and her empire have been exposed, and much of it not for the good.

If it was not lust and the other woman angle that caused CC to snap, it makes you think that there had to be something else. We have all been told, "follow the money".

The strange actions of JM on the morning of the tragic event makes me feel something else was up. If there was something in the JMM that CC was privy to and was trying to extort.....lord, just think how much that information could be worth to you know who to keep quiet.

Just thought I would throw this bone out there to see if there are any nibbles....

I found her actions strange as well as her statement she made immediately about standing behind CC.Perhaps she rushed to show her support for him hoping it would help him not look guilty .So maybe what ever was going on it or she would not be exposed .If JMM paid for the lawyer CC might have said I wont tell how you had me spying and taping so and so. Then all of a sudden she makes him resign(it could be having the girl friend)and last statement does not sound like she did about CC in the first one.Maybe when Le went to where CC works they found something that made JM turn on CC.Who knows maybe he was also sending JM threats and letters of blackmail ,then decided to send them to himself to make it look good .JM is worth a ton of money maybe he wanted a chunk of it for his new life he was planning.:furious:

 

[JBean]

I noticed that too when I looked last week. But then assessed doesn't necessarily equate to market value.

I tried finding the previous listing when it was reportedly on the market but had no luck.

In my area, the assessed values have been changed to reflect the failing market. So, not sure if that is actively happening in other markets.
While I agree that assessed value is not an indicator of market value, it is a good guide to compare against itself.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Me either I believe CC did it IMO.I think there might be more going on behind the scenes because if you call in MCS and they feel they have the goods on CC and IMO they were waiting on his block for the warrant to arrest him, Why call in the experts if your not going to listen to them.

I agree. It isn't often you hear LE so confident about their case and then have it come to a screeching halt because of the SA's Office. It isn't like the MCS isn't familiar with what it takes to arrest or win a conviction. These are their seasoned pros!

 

[Wrinkles]

Dear Sleuthers All,

And about time, JBean and on the quitclaim thang -- I asked for both of your input on that in the first thread, in the event you were lurking (you obviously weren't at that thime Either way, good to have your thoughts/input now. JBean, I'm thinking this might have been a refi kinda thing too -- but how convenient that it was done prior to the murder, eh?

Now then...
Purely manufactured rumor? Probably: It was recently mentioned that Chris "submitted voluntarily to questioning for approx. 7 hours of the day of the murders." We have seen Chris do very little voluntarily. We also saw him lawyer up on the first day (did he have to go to the law office to do that, do lawyers work late evenings for such?) At anyrate, with no real substantiation on this -- I kinda feel there is no truth to it.

OH...one of you said you saw something to this effect in a newspaper article comment board, also RR0004, thanks for looking too! :blowkiss:

Why is it important to determine if there is any truth in the above? Because this would make it look like Chris has voluntarily done something to help in the situation, and I don't think we have seen that, have we?

We know that Chris arrived at the house 6:51AM, went in/came out, flailed on the ground, headed off in an ambulance around 8:30AM. That was noted by ArtieG's eyewitness report: (message 1186)

>>He is so crazy that it takes two officers to subdue him and they take him to the hospital in an abulance. (This is what happened, as neighbors saw him roll around and was subdued by the LE. I saw the abulance, with CC in it, still at the scene and then drive off, about 8:30.)<<

So how far did the ambulance have to drive to get to a hospital -- which hospital or clinic might he have gone to? How long did it take for him to get treatment? In fact, what treatment did he get?

Then...at what time did he hire a criminal defense attorney -- and did the attorney go to him, or did he have to go to the attorney. When they read you rights (you have the right to an attorney, blah blah is that Miranda?) -- are you allowed to leave and go get an attorney, or do you call one to come to you? Was he "interviewed" before hiring the attorney or after? How long might that have taken (going/hiring/coming)

And really -- just how long was he interviewed? Anyone have a clue when Chris surfaced that day, i.e. after flailing and ambulance and attorney and interview?

This article dated May 8:
>>Police do not have anyone in custody, Connor said. He would not comment Thursday about whether investigators have interviewed Chris Coleman since their initial interview Tuesday, or elaborate on evidence or suspects.<<

And this...

>>The Major Case Squad has not named Coleman as a suspect. He has been interviewed by detectives and was fingerprinted under court order as recently as Monday.<<

I believe that when Connors of the MCS mentioned that they had a suspect (unnamed) -- he might have mentioned a 2nd interview with Chris, does anyone have a link for that off hand?

OHHH and while I am at it... We discussed the flailing and how it was wierd, but a few people mentioned they have seen that type of behavior before.

I still continue to think there was something to that flailing besides what meets the eye -- Was Chris trying to injure himself (banging on the ground, the concrete, something to bruise a hand that might have been used to break a jaw -- but he didn't want that noticed before he had an opportunity to show that he did it some other way?) Was he trying to scratch himself up in some way to hide scratches that were already there from a fight? Maybe?

How about a rash? Did he use something to get "paint" off of him -- then develop a rash from it -- and then have to roll in the grass and on the concrete so that he could say, "Oh, I am allergic to grass...that is what the rash is from." or "I must have roughed myself up when I was flailing on the concrete."

If there is any truth to the rumor that Sheri had a broken jaw -- we will certainly learn that from autopsy information.

W
PS. God rest your souls Sheri, Gavin and Garrett -- we are hoping that there is a beginning of recompense for your violater.

 

[JBean]

Howdy Wrinkles. I have to ruminate on that for awhile. :blowkiss:
but I'll be back.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Welcome to WS, Firelion~ I go take a nap and have to read a novel before I am caught up again. They move fast around here. LOL

I can't wait until all of Chris Coleman's skeletons and patterns emerge in this case. He will probably turn out just as you stated...classically narcissistic. No different than Drew P., Scott P., Craig Stebic, etc. (It would be great if we could stamp tats on their foreheads before their wives end up missing or dead that says, "WARNING- INSIDE".)

Go you x 2!!

One of CC baldy pics with the white shirt if he was tinted red and had horns he would look like the devil.I might just be prejudice because of my loathing of Mother and children killers.IMO its freaky.


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StLwannabe May 17, 2009 2:26PM CST
George is right about the open / closed caskets. They were open for the family and JM to view then Chris requested that they be closed for the public viewing. Also, Sheri's jaw was broke so she must've put up some kinda struggle. And no, I wasn't at the funeral but a family member of mine was. CC mother told my family member about Sheri's jaw being broke.

 

[analytical]

In my area, the assessed values have been changed to reflect the failing market. So, not sure if that is actively happening in other markets.
While I agree that assessed value is not an indicator of market value, it is a good guide to compare against itself.

agree.. on "good guide to compare"

 

[analytical]

"After an internal inquiry, it was discovered that Chris Coleman failed to follow ministry policy during his employment. On Wednesday, May 13, Mr. Coleman submitted his resignation.

Full statement from JMM at:

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/15/21/chriscoleman15may.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

 

[mikeysmommom]

StLwannabe May 17, 2009 3:09PM CST
All I know is Connie told my family member that they were open for the family to view, Sheri's jaw was broken and Chris asked them to be closed for the public viewing. I also read that the oldest boy was beaten but I only read that on here. IMO - he asked for them to be closed so he didn't have to sit there and look at what he did to his family for hours