Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[daisy.faithfull]

Oh Ummm....

Maybe we know why that business of Chris' didn't go anywhere? He couldn't deliver? OR WOULDN'T? OR decided that if he did deliver, that not being able to deliver for his own family was a bunch of ?

W

Or maybe it was about the time that Sheri started talking about separation/divorce? I'm still catching up, but is it a possibility that CC started the business so Sheri wouldn't have to waitress anymore and it would be just one more aspect of her life that CC could control.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I've only owned property in "Community Property" (CP) states, and Illinois is not one, so with that disclaimer out of the way I'll throw this out.

I believe non CP states go by "equitable distribution", in which a judge looks at all the assets, liabilities and ongoing expenses and apportions them "equitably". Usually when judges divide things this way my experience has been they consider their job done well if both sides are equally unhappy with the results. They can use just about any criteria they want, but significantly the way title to things was held is not all that important - for instance, if the house was bought at the beginning of the marriage and only the husband was on the deed, and he was the only one that brought in an income, upon divorce the judge could very well give the house to the wife as part of an equitable settlement of the assets and, say, relieve the husband of alimony in exchange.

Now there are usually provisions for allowing one spouse to acquire or retain sole title to an asset and have it not divided, but generally there needs to be some compelling reason shown, and more importantly the agreement cannot be overtly or covertly entered just to deprive a financially unsophisticated spouse of their interest. One example that comes to mind is if two people who own their own small businesses get married and they both agree that the ownership of each one's business will remain their own through the marriage. But such a scenario is fact dependent. If after 10 years they change their minds and she becomes a stay at home mom, shuts down her business and devotes herself to the family therefore allowing the husband additional time to grow his, and 10 years later they divorce, the original agreement would probably be ignored by the judge and the wife would be awarded compensation for the husband's business. Probably. But in front of a judge nothing is guaranteed.

Now awaiting an Illinois lawyer to sign up and tell me I've got it all wrong due to applying general concepts to Illinois law.

In Illinois if the property is the marital home, one does not have to be on the quitclaim deed to have a half interest in the home, and the sole ownership of the marital home passes to the surviving spouse on the death of one. Or it is divided upon divorce. This is per my attorney, it has been a few years since he gave this advice -as I recall, if the marriage is of very short duration (and I can't recall what that was, I think under a year) then the house might not be divided upon divorce 50/50 but would still pass to the surviving spouse. My spouse owned the home before we were married, and, I asked this to find out if I needed to do anything. He told me best to be on the deed, but, it really didn't matter. (BTW I am.) Otherwise, what one brings in is not marital property. Or inheritance before or during the marriage.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Woohoo! Hours later, I am totally caught up on the thread, go me!

Now I have opinions. Go me x 2.

Blackmail, surveillance, re-financing the house, red herrings. Occam's Razor. Sure, there are lots of innocent reasons to put assests under the name of one spouse. If that's true that it was innocently done, it's completely irrelevant. Then again, it could be a part of a pattern of controlling, hypocritical, and classically narcissitic behavior that culminated in the methodically planned murders of his wife and children and his overly complicated and, at the same time, very naive cover up.

Welcome to WS, Firelion~ I go take a nap and have to read a novel before I am caught up again. They move fast around here. LOL

I can't wait until all of Chris Coleman's skeletons and patterns emerge in this case. He will probably turn out just as you stated...classically narcissistic. No different than Drew P., Scott P., Craig Stebic, etc. (It would be great if we could stamp tats on their foreheads before their wives end up missing or dead that says, "WARNING- INSIDE".)

Go you x 2!!

(bbm) phew what a difference a nap can make... glad everyone here can suddenly recognize all the classic signs of controlling narcissistic behavior lol! :waitasec:

:floorlaugh:

arrot:

 

[Wrinkles]

Flailing anyone?

So no one is biting on the flailing of Chris to injure himself so that when he had to be taken to the hospital (and inspected by LE) that he could say:

Oh...broke my hand hitting it on the concrete when I was seized by grief (instead of hitting Sheri in the face before I strangled her -- IF that happened)

Oh...got this rash on my hands and arms from the grass (instead of when I was using the paint thinner to get the paint off me -- IF that happened)

W

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

If you had joint credit with him that would follow you because you took out credit together. if you kept your accounts completely separate and did not have anything joint, you would be fine.

My husband's exwife's stuff (stuff she did AFTER their divorce, in her name) showed up on OUR joint report several years AFTER we got married. Had a heck of a time getting it off. Finally had to have attorney write them a nasty letter.

 

[Lindadanette]

Earlier someone said that Steph Jones was Sheri's favorite music artist. She has a song called "Moving On" on her myspace music player - the lyrics are haunting.

http://www.myspace.com/stephjonesmusic

Whatever poster mentioned these (sorry I don't recall)

I just listened to "I found you out" and I think you mentioned both songs. WOW. Sheri could have been SJ's muse!

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Two reasons that I can think of - 1. They don't want to get "sucked in" to the family battle (the church is on CC's side, even if he's guilty as far as CC vs "outsiders" goes.)

and 2. The church frowns STRONGLY on what they perceive as gossip. It's ironic really, if the body (people who attend the church) talks it's gossip, but when the leaders do it it's discernment. I went to a church that looks to be alot like Destiny Church. And didn't someone say that it's pretty much an offshoot of JMM? Woops, there's reason #3, if these women are involved in JMM, I'll bet it's tantamount to betrayal to talk about the case at all.

Sorry to just jump in here, I'm trying to catch up and still keep an eye on other things too.... :LOL:

Do we know that JMM & Co are going to stand behind CC? I know that he resigned because he was screwing another woman on her dime... if that upsets her I don't think that she's too happy about CC connecting her name/ministry with his plot to kill Sheri and the boys by saying that he was receiving the threats because of his work for her. I would think that if CC actually did receive threats related to JMM she would done everything to find out the source of those threats. How is JMM going to feel if she is called to the stand to verify that CC was receiving those kinds of threats? If I were her I would be :furious::furious::furious:upset.

 

[RR0004]

From Mario's (Sheri's brother's) MySpace page:

WHY DO I ONLY HAVE 20 FRIENDS ? I SENT FRIEND REQUESTS TO ALL 76 OF SHERI'S FRIENDS. WHY HAVEN'T ALL OF YOU ACCEPTED ? I WILL LEARN THE TRUTH IF IT TAKES THE REST OF MY LIFE !

Why won't Sheri's friends add him?

Maybe they haven't felt like getting on their computers since the death of a close friend and her children? I would think that if one "friended" him, though, they would let others know about it...but maybe the 76 people are not in the same area. This poor family...it breaks my heart.

 

[firelion]

Why won't Sheri's friends add him?

His MySpace is just breaking my heart...

If some of the posters are correct it was Sheri's friends who alert LE to Miss Motive.Maybe after Sheri found out she snooped on his home computer(like most would do in same situation)she might have found files on his computer with the threats written to them and maybe also to JM and blackmail letters if JM was getting them.She might have confronted him and said I am telling JM that led into him killing them sooner then he wanted to.JMO

I have been thinking and thinking about that. On one hand, that seems the most perfectly obvious motive...that he worked for a company that would fire him if his adultery was found out, or if he got a divorce, and he got rid of his family to escape them and yet still maintain the lifestyle his paycheck afforded. Then again, if he murdered his family, of course he'd be investigated, and everything about the affair would come out...surely he realized he'd be suspect #1?? Maybe he didn't...maybe he thought he really was just that smart.

 

[Texas Mist]

Hi Bean:

Big difference as to whether the property was transferred to one spouse's name alone and when. Illinois is a marital property state which is reasonably close to a community property state in many respects. Normally any property that was acquired during the marriage is subject to a marital claim. However if a spouse signed a quitclaim deed to the other spouse after marriage and acquisition of the property that would likely hold up. Normally property that is brought to the marriage is excluded from marital property claims absent commingling. Otherwise if the property is bought while married from marital funds, there would be a marital claim regardless of whether one spouse's name was on the deed or not, especially if it was homestead property. There is also the question of why the property was transferred. If it was to be temporary there are constructive trust theories that might impose a trust relationship on the spouse that is holding title.


Complicated and depends on all the facts.

(bbm) -- "depends on all the facts"....that about sums up this case given there's not a lot in the way of facts at the moment.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

IIRC, Illinois is a community property state. SO, Sherri would have signed a Quit Claim Deed that would have specified that she was giving up her community property rights to CC. (or a forger would have signed such a deed...)

My information comes from 15 years as a mortgage lender who WAS in a community property state.

I am pretty sure IL is not a community property state. And I do know my attorney told me when I got married that if the home we lived in was the marital home (ie second homes/vacation homes don't count) it did not matter if my name was not on the deed. However, I don't know what it would mean if added to the deed and then I signed off on the deed, taking my name off.

 

[analytical]

Hello All,

I also wondered about responses to Mario, but we are not perfectly sure that is really him are we? (it seems so, but...) And wouldn't it be better for him to send all of Sheri's contacts to LE and let them check things out?

I can imagine that he is desperate, but do you remember the "tip line" and the Scott Peterson case? Not saying he is not the real thing but...

I had thought to write to him -- then thought again.

Bottomline, it would be important for him to let LE do their work OR for him to do something in order to verify that he is actually who he says he is.

Perhaps he should let his cousin who is a lawyer be the one that accepts the contacts? He could give a link to their webpage, let them know who to contact there and it might legitimize the situation. That would be if his cousin is happy to take the calls.

W

It's obvious that is Mario's MySpace page. His photo is one of him and Garret and Gavin and he makes appeals all over his page for information and Sheri has made comments on his page, her photo is there.

Furthermore, how could he manufacture responses from Sheri on his page in April prior to her death?

It's the "real" Mario, Sheri's brother.

 

[CHICANA]

Flailing anyone?

So no one is biting on the flailing of Chris to injure himself so that when he had to be taken to the hospital (and inspected by LE) that he could say:

Oh...broke my hand hitting it on the concrete when I was seized by grief (instead of hitting Sheri in the face before I strangled her -- IF that happened)

Oh...got this rash on my hands and arms from the grass (instead of when I was using the paint thinner to get the paint off me -- IF that happened)

W

You're brilliant.

 

[Lindadanette]

Sorry to just jump in here, I'm trying to catch up and still keep an eye on other things too.... :LOL:

Do we know that JMM & Co are going to stand behind CC? I know that he resigned because he was screwing another woman on her dime... if that upsets her I don't think that she's too happy about CC connecting her name/ministry with his plot to kill Sheri and the boys by saying that he was receiving the threats because of his work for her. I would think that if CC actually did receive threats related to JMM she would done everything to find out the source of those threats. How is JMM going to feel if she is called to the stand to verify that CC was receiving those kinds of threats? If I were her I would be :furious::furious::furious:upset.

I think that it's possible that JM is freaked out beyond what we can imagine and deeply, deeply wounded by all of this. By the church, I meant daddy's church in Chester. And since Destiny appears to be the step child of JMM (or at least a first cousin) I think that the "silence is golden" dictate went out days ago.

 

[analytical]

Flailing anyone?

So no one is biting on the flailing of Chris to injure himself so that when he had to be taken to the hospital (and inspected by LE) that he could say:

Oh...broke my hand hitting it on the concrete when I was seized by grief (instead of hitting Sheri in the face before I strangled her -- IF that happened)

Oh...got this rash on my hands and arms from the grass (instead of when I was using the paint thinner to get the paint off me -- IF that happened)

W

No. I'm in the minority, but I don't put much emphasis on his flailing. It was reported he was being held back from reentering the house by 2 officers .. one can flail their arms in that case. Perhaps there is a disconnect on how the neighbor described it and how the reporter reported it.

 

[RR0004]

No. I'm in the minority, but I don't put much emphasis on his flailing. It was reported he was being held back from reentering the house by 2 officers .. one can flail their arms in that case. Perhaps there is a disconnect on how the neighbor described it and how the reporter reported it.

I had heard on one of the shows that for that reason alone...if there were injuries...it would have been prudent to arrest earlier rather than later. The longer they wait, the less likely there would be noticeable bruises. Makes sense. LE must have some pretty damning evidence to say there is only one suspect.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I think that it's possible that JM is freaked out beyond what we can imagine and deeply, deeply wounded by all of this. By the church, I meant daddy's church in Chester. And since Destiny appears to be the step child of JMM (or at least a first cousin) I think that the "silence is golden" dictate went out days ago.

Thank you so much for answering my other question: what is the relationship between daddy coleman's church and JMM's? Boy o boy! JMM is sure in one heck of a pickle isn't she? As much as I would love to be a fly on the wall at Casa de Coleman, the JMM angel is going to be interesting as well. What drama! Whenever one of the Evangelists gets busted in or around a scandal it makes for interesting tv.

 

[Lovejac]

Bumping to give kudos to WestSideGal for this awesome find! :clap::clap::clap:

This is something I just found - not sure if it's been mentioned yet. On SC's brother's (Mario) MySpace she entered a comment on Apr 30 that said the song on her profile was by one of her good friends and it's her fav song. One of her friends is Steph Jones (SC is listed at the top of her friends list) and she has a playlist of her own songs on her MySpace. I just listened to two of them - Found You Out and Moving On...I wonder if either of these two songs were the one she was talking about.

 

[Lovejac]

Flailing anyone?

So no one is biting on the flailing of Chris to injure himself so that when he had to be taken to the hospital (and inspected by LE) that he could say:

Oh...broke my hand hitting it on the concrete when I was seized by grief (instead of hitting Sheri in the face before I strangled her -- IF that happened)

Oh...got this rash on my hands and arms from the grass (instead of when I was using the paint thinner to get the paint off me -- IF that happened)

W

Wrinkles! You are a genius. I hadn't thought about the flailing in that way!

 

[SuziQ]

Ok, trying to wrap my mind around the deed/community property thing. So basically if the Coleman's were to divorce she would have equal right to the property since it was bought during their marriage. So that would remove motive for CC having taken her name off in an attempt to gather up and keep property to himself. However, what was CC's knoweledge of this? Could he have wrongly assumed this tactic would have worked in his favor during a divorce? Maybe he thought it was a possession is 9/tenths of the law type of thing.