Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[SeriouslySearching]

They can also sue for wrongful death (which they should do asap once charges are filed in hopes of freezing the assets). In that situation it would not matter what her name was or wasn't on, they will be going after any and all of his assets.

Have I told ya today how much I love ya?! :blowkiss:

 

[mikeysmommom]

The only reason they sealed those SWs today was to keep the perp and the public from knowing for a fact the perp's name. This was the first time we have seen anything sealed in this case.

Well...LE jumps to sinister conclusions when they have a 31 year old mother along with her 11 year old and 9 year old sons brutally murdered as they were sleeping in their quiet suburban home. I happen to think along the same lines.

These kind of crimes would never get solved if Le and others saw the world thru rose colored glasses.Crimes like this to get solved have to be looked at realistically.Sinister is what a crime like this calls for.SS you really have a great sleuthing mind.

 

[analytical]

FWIW... Artie & Co will say anything to portray their client as innocent. Look up Dennis Bulloch and what he did to his wife and how Artie & Co tried to get him off.

Not defending POSCC at all because he is slime... but remember Artie & Co are in place to make him look innocent. Not sure how they can sleep at night.

It is the job of the defense attorney to give his/her client the best defense possible. I wouldn't want the job but that is their job.

 

[mikeysmommom]

You're assuming financial dishonesty.

You nor anyone else .. but you do .. take this case and others you have "sleuthed" and leap to illogical conclusions.

Perhaps I have a less than colored perspective as my head is not filled with citing "well.. in this case" .....

It would be helpful to view this case solely .. not in light of .. "oh.. Scott Peterson did those so it holds ABSOLUTELY that Coleman did too!"

The conclusions drawn here are sometimes extremely illogical .. and seem so charged with emotion rather than logic and reasoning.

Is that enough ... explanation?

No disrespect but the only one to leap to illogical conclusions has been you.

 

[impatientredhead]

NO! and I know I'm in the minority but I cannot believe how a case is being made against Coleman based on circumstancial acts.

It does not look suspicious at all when you don't have a mind that immediately jumps to sinister conclusions.

And the search warrants that were sealed today ... likely to keep them out of the media.

It is not the single act in and of itself. Of course there are many reasons to change names on assets, happens all the time. It is the totality of the acts/evidence. When you move assets around, all out of the victims name btw, have a mistress, possibly increase life insurance, claim a stalker that no one can find or even point to a suspect, sketchy security measures taken by a supposed professional to fend off this life threatening stalker, and you call the detective to check on your family because you haven't reached them during the hour you were out of the house, followed by your entire family being found dead....... call me suspicious and cynical, but I am just not that open minded.

The stalker having no identity is just amazing by itself. People are stalked and threatened all the time, they know by who. Who they pissed off, who they broke up with, or by the crazy loon that has attached themselves to them for no apparant reason sending EVIDENCE in each and every communication they have with the victim.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Could the same be true in reverse... past cases color posters' vision to see clearly?

I'd bet on it .....

Speaking of betting...what are we going to wager on this one? LOL

If you research the cases we have here, you will find we are very accurate when it comes to our predictions and the guilty verdicts handed down. We don't miss much and our record speaks for itself. We should really have a place to keep up with our stats on such things.

 

[analytical]

Actually past cases, many many many and many more of them cause posters to see more clearly. I'm pretty sure trained detectives experience this as well.

Are you a trained detective? Are you speaking from a "trained detective's" point of view?

Can you cite a source to back up your assertion or is it an assumption rather than a statement of fact based upon reliable evidence?

Hopefully detectives approach each case without bias ... even on the Coleman case a "fresh set of eyes" was called for in the first few days.

 

[Bluenotes]

If that were the case it would definitely be a red flag to LE if the A/C were on when they arrived. I don't imagine the outdoor temperature at that time of day would've warranted it?

Forensic Files fan here too.

IIRC it was in the low to mid 60s that day.

 

[Stella5]

I only have two words for you: Jose Baez. 'Nuff said.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

No other words needed ;-)

 

[analytical]

No disrespect but the only one to leap to illogical conclusions has been you.

Because I choose not to be.. in the words of another poster describing themselves "suspicious and cynical" .. but rather "open-minded and logical"

 

[waterlooinspector]

Maybe it is time that people here in the county or community start picketing outside the Coleman house asking for justice for Sheri and her boys.

My big fear is Coleman is going to try to go down in a blaze glory. Suicide by LE but who knows how many other people he may take down with him. This is a man that in my mind did kill his 2 sweet boys and his beautiful wife? Who else will he try to take down with him?
(trust me - all kinds of murderous things are running through this guys head now because he has been caught and he knows it. I think he is too much of a narcissist and a sociopath to kill himself.)

Or take his own family down with him in a blaze of glory. It appears they are being blinded right now as to the real facts....

 

[SuziQ]

You're assuming financial dishonesty.

You nor anyone else .. but you do .. take this case and others you have "sleuthed" and leap to illogical conclusions.

Perhaps I have a less than colored perspective as my head is not filled with citing "well.. in this case" .....

It would be helpful to view this case solely .. not in light of .. "oh.. Scott Peterson did those so it holds ABSOLUTELY that Coleman did too!"

The conclusions drawn here are sometimes extremely illogical .. and seem so charged with emotion rather than logic and reasoning.

Is that enough ... explanation?

I'm saying that it's a reasonable thought to think that there might be something sinister to their finances. It's not extremely illogical to wonder what the motive is. Past cases tell us this. I'm sorry you don't agree, but it's fact and just the way it is. Like it or not.

 

[Carrington]

I wonder if JM hired a PI to look into the matter of there possibly being a threatening letter writer.....
IMO

 

[CHICANA]

He would've had to refinance to remove her from the mortgage. Which is a very good possiblity. Removing her from the deed is strange. Most people only do this when someone dies or they get divorced. Even if they refinance usually the spouse's name is left on the deed.

Add: The mortgage on our home is in my husband's name but my name is on the deed. My credit is not as good as his and I'm self employed and it's a pain to go stated income on a mortgage. ( I sell Real Estate)

Since my credit was better, it was easier to leave my husband off the mortgage but as in your case, his name is on the deed. I think our agent told me he had to be on it, does that make sense or am I having false memories ?
Anyway, I wanted him on it to make sure he felt equally obligated to make the payments.

 

[impatientredhead]

Correct. The bodies should still be very warm if Chris' timeline is true. Yes, they will do an evaluation at the crime scene to account for all the variables. I was looking for the ways of determining between less than an hour and more than an hour.

I would think they already have an accurate TOD.

http://www.pathguy.com/TimeDead.htm

Supporting the claim that you can find anything on the internet here is an online program that will calculate approximate time of death. Lots of interesting info in the links on this site.

 

[impatientredhead]

Since my credit was better, it was easier to leave my husband off the mortgage but as in your case, his name is on the deed. I think our agent told me he had to be on it, does that make sense or am I having false memories ?
Anyway, I wanted him on it to make sure he felt equally obligated to make the payments.

You would want your spouse on the deed in case something were to happen to you. Even if it is willed back to the spouse there are hefty tax issues when you compare a house going into your name following a death, versus the co-owner of your deeded property dying.

 

[analytical]

I'm saying that it's a reasonable thought to think that there might be something sinister to their finances. It's not extremely illogical to wonder what the motive is. Past cases tell us this. I'm sorry you don't agree, but it's fact and just the way it is. Like it or not.

Reasonable .. yes?

The sum total of past cases and this case sums up to Coleman being guilty .. no.

 

[mikeysmommom]

My husband gets so tired of hearing the forensics of different cases and doesn't get my interest at all. I told him about this case and how I do not get how these guys (generally men, some women too) plot these things in advance and then not only have unexpected issues arise, but the plan itself was horribly faulty. There is so much information out there on forensics and how LE proceeds, not to mention detailed accounts of how all the others before them got busted. I would expect a much better plan.

Messing with the furnace during the winter and killing the entire household with carbon monoxide would be much easier and less likely to be caught. Your fingerprints on the furnace would prove nothing. It is your house, you have touched it. It has been acting up, you tried to fix it. Of course your prints are there. Things that happen in real life, horrible tragedies..... not things that happen in bad movies like a phantom stalker who writes letters for months in advance and leaves messages on the wall. Is this stalker a frustrated writer? I mean really? That is about as plausible as the nanny who takes your kid and leaves you a script to follow.

It must be a narcissistic personality trait that would let someone believe they are that much smarter than the rest of the world.

The police are handling things quite well from what I can see. They need the tests to come back before arrested him. There are no witnesses, no excited utterances, etc.... they need real probable cause before taking that step. It is glaringly obvious doesn't count in court. If they arrest him too soon and a well funded defense attorney can argue that the arrest was made without cause it would be a disaster for the state. Lab tests take time to run. In our crime riddled society the labs are flooded with work and backlogged. This is hardly the only set of forensics LE is waiting to come back.

ITA The mistakes they all make really would be funny if it did not involve people dying.Tv today shows on tru tv almost daily shows the mistakes these perps made and with all the new ways to detect crimes thank God they are so smug because thats what get's them in the end.I have faith they are doing their job well.I am sure MCS want justice for the victims after what they saw upon entering that house.

 

[Stella5]

I was reading back to the beginning and that the house had security cameras. Would it have been possible for it to be staged for the basement to be the point of entry/exit to avoid the security cameras?

Sorry if this has been answered, trying to catch up. The security camera DVR is MISSING!!! Now who would know where to find the DVR?!?!? And no, it wasn't ninja's or dwarf ninja's or zanny the nanny

BTW Welcome to this thread Panthera. I've followed your thoughts on the Caylee case.

 

[analytical]

You would want your spouse on the deed in case something were to happen to you. Even if it is willed back to the spouse there are hefty tax issues when you compare a house going into your name following a death, versus the co-owner of your deeded property dying.

tax issues? one has to be in a "hefty" income bracket to incur estate taxes

what "tax issues" are you referring to?