Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[Melanie]

I just want to clarify my statement.

I did not say, or intend to imply that I thought religious people were more or less likely to be nutjobs than nonreligious people.

I said nutjobs who were also religious were generally more worrisome than nutjobs who are not religious.

Oh I totally agree with you! If you have a religious nut job, they are definitely more worrisome. I could name off somemore interesting lunatics, but it's late

Thanks!

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Gold spray paint gets you the highest. Especially if you chase it with black.

Now that was funny - thanks for the laugh

 

[mikeysmommom]

Just wanted to say a big thank you to the locals and former locals for giving us details that would be impossible for us to know.

 

[Bluenotes]

Picture of I-255 on the Illinois side (runs east to west)
You can see the Mississippi River and the JB Bridge on the left side (the left/west side of the picture is MO and of course the right/east side is IL) Coleman lives by the triangle/clover shaped intersection - if you zoom in you can see the large lake directly east of the heart of the triangle/clover intersection.

Chester is to the south (but is too far away to be in this shot) - it is about 50 miles directly south

If you look on the MO side you see the first exits very close to the river.
To the right (north) is a tear drop loop - that is a old vacant rest stop
and to the right you will see two loops with one inside the other. If you go down the road along the river you will see a vacant lot with numerous roads in it. That is where the old Koch Hospital use to be.

It is very easy to access these (to get off and back on the highway) and no one really goes down in that area since the old rest stop is closed and over grown with weeds and the old Koch Hospital land is where kids use to hang out at night before the hospital was tore down about 10 years ago. (there are many human bones in the area in pits - google Koch Hospital St. Louis to learn more about it)

http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=15&X=462&Y=2663&W=3&qs=|columbia|illinois|

You could not stop on the JB bridge without someone noticing you and if you wanted to toss something out into the river you would have to get out of your car. That bridge is pretty busy at that time in the morning - not bummer to bummer of course but at least 10 cars at a time may be on the bridge at that time of day and you can can see all lanes clearly no matter what lane you are in.

It's amazing looking at that image and seeing just how wide the river got in '93. It flooded parts of Columbia back then.

 

[christee]

..............................................I was not implying it was about CC..........this is a problem here on this board...........when one quotes someone , and then another quotes another on the same message.......only the last quote shows up, and things are taken out of context...........ALL quotes, should be showed in the new message response, to help stop confusement.................your answer, has nothing to do with my orignal question, which was a quote responce to someone else......but none of that message is showing, ............perhaps the mods can correct this, by having all quotes shyowing, in respone to a question.............thanks for responding .

...or use the multiquote button?...

 

[Fairy1]

Someone asked this ? on NG last night. Not all gyms have had them, and honestly I work out at Golds (not that one) and can't recall ever noticing them! I will look though

I live in Vegas and I work in the gaming industry. We have cameras EVERYWHERE! They are not meant to be seen by all.

 

[christee]

..........................................................perhaps im not posting my question correctly..........i will try one more time, since the original message i quoted is not being posted......................I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IF BY CHANCE......IF LE COULD ANSWER MY YES OR NO QUESTION.........IF A WARRANT WAS ISSUED BY CHANCE, BECAUSE SOMEONE SO NO ON A SEARCH OR SOMETHING SIMILIAR...........IT WAS NOT A LAW QUESTION, A YES OR NO QAUESTON IS ALL I WAS ASKING........................but thanks for responding

you may not get an answer due to your use of all capital letters

Asking "please" would go a long way!

JMO

 

[Stella5]

A warrant has NOT been issued for his arrest, if that's what you mean.

Sealed search warrants HAVE been issued.

Sorry for not answering. To be quite honest, the font you're using and the centering of the text is really hard for me to read without my glasses and I'm too lazy to go find them right now.

 

[Stella5]

I live in Vegas and I work in the gaming industry. We have cameras EVERYWHERE! They are not meant to be seen by all.

Isn't that the truth!

For some reason I remember a lawsuit about cameras in gyms being an invasion of privacy, but don't remember the details. So who knows!?!?!

 

[Melanie]

.................................................. ........perhaps im not posting my question correctly..........i will try one more time, since the original message i quoted is not being posted......................I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IF BY CHANCE......IF LE COULD ANSWER MY YES OR NO QUESTION.........IF A WARRANT WAS ISSUED BY CHANCE, BECAUSE SOMEONE SO NO ON A SEARCH OR SOMETHING SIMILIAR...........IT WAS NOT A LAW QUESTION, A YES OR NO QAUESTON IS ALL I WAS ASKING........................but thanks for responding
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...("Police say they welcome tips, even if the details seem trivial. Those details, police say, could connect to another piece of information. That in turn could lead to something else, which ultimately could help solve the case")...

...(*...(*!Perfect Explanation!* )...*)...
:+:MrTT:+:

There were only 2 things that happened today, and, unfortunatly, NO arrest warrant was issued.

1. A Monroe County judge issued new search warrants Friday in the Coleman murder investigation. The judge then sealed those documents.

2. The Major Case Squad also disbanded Friday and handed the investigating over to Columbia Police. Investigators from other jurisdictions can still assist as needed

I don't anticipate hearing any real news until Monday.

Best,

Melanie

 

[Stella5]

Just wanted to say a big thank you to the locals and former locals for giving us details that would be impossible for us to know.

You're welcome! I'll try to go take some pictures so you all can have a look at the area from the bridge to the gym, etc... Any requests?

 

[mikeysmommom]

A warrant has NOT been issued for his arrest, if that's what you mean.

Sealed search warrants HAVE been issued.

Sorry for not answering. To be quite honest, the font you're using and the centering of the text is really hard for me to read without my glasses and I'm too lazy to go find them right now.

You're welcome! I'll try to go take some pictures so you all can have a look at the area from the bridge to the gym, etc... Any requests?

Any you want to take would be great.Thank you.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

If i could ask LE a question, a yes or no question......were these search warrants issued, because someone is not cooperating in the investigation?......and a judge signed the search warrants so LE can go back to this person and search?......and was there more then one warrant, for a different place?........multiple warrants issued?
it would not be the house, or the parents.........or the other home etc I assume...........or could it be a private place, such as a storage unit or something?..........if not a person, is it a place, where there is no one to give permission to search at this time, and so to prevent an illegal search and seizure, they were issued? or was it probably cause, that had the warrants issued?

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...or use the multiquote button?...

I did not know that is what that button was for.......you have saved me from future pain and suffering............thank you..........and im sorry for sounding disturb.....i did not know.............

 

[Stella5]

It's amazing looking at that image and seeing just how wide the river got in '93. It flooded parts of Columbia back then.

It is cool! The river was crazy big back then. Back to the Koch property. Does the City still own that property? Or has it been sold? The other side of the bridge - north in STL, - which would have been near where they went down to find the tossed evidence, looks like there is a house on it. Who owns that land? I haven't been down that way in a couple of months; but don't recall if it looks overgrown with weeds and stuff; or if they started developing it.

On the south side of 255 is a bunch of companies; and believe it or not there is a food service company housed in a cave!!! Can't remember the name, used to be a customer of mine.

 

[mikeysmommom]

It must be driving those terrific MCS guys crazy that he was not arrested.They had to see an awe full crime scene.

 

[christee]

I did not know that is what that button was for.......you have saved me from future pain and suffering............thank you..........and im sorry for sounding disturb.....i did not know.............

No problem and you're very welcome!

If you're like me, the brain starts to become mushy abt 3am!

BTW I like your Avatar

 

[Bluenotes]

Here's a few of the bridge from Flickr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jefferson_Barracks_Bridge_1993_flood_cropped.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/treeclimbermamba205/3146432850/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/binkle76/2463329283/

 

[mikeysmommom]

Could one of those warrant be an arrest warrant?Maybe tomorrow they will arrest him.

 

[chestergal]

a view of JB Bridge as you cross it from the IL side to the MO side (traveling west just a CC would have done that morning on his way to the MO side Gym)

 

[gitana1]

Could the same be true in reverse... past cases color posters' vision to see clearly?

I'd bet on it .....

I'll give you that...at least in the beginning of a case.
As I said before, I have seen it where many posters immediately suspect parents, etc, due to past cases, but that does not usually last when facts trickle out. And, at this stage of the game with a crime like this I have never seen the majority of seasoned posters be wrong.
Yes, some posters jump to conclusions based on faulty assumptions, or, as you have seemed to infer in other posts, based on emotion, a sense of wanting to be part of a group, or from a place of anger or suspicion, rather than logic.
Yet, they are not the majority at websleuths. Most of the posters here are seasoned true crime researchers or amatuer sleuths or people with some connection to crime, such as those with law enforcement connections, search and rescue connections, missing persons or missing children's group memberships, crime victims, victim advocates, lawyers, paralegals, bounty hunters, etc. People on here do ALOT of work researching, investigating and actually solving real crimes, not just sitting at a computer and bantering with anonymous others.
Webslueths has a great reputation. LE have been on this site, participating, so have people like Mark Klaas, true crime writers, etc. Most of us approach these cases with logic, knowledge and experience. Thus, it begins to be wearing when a person joins the site, tells all that we are operating with illogic and that our conclusions are founded in faulty assumptions or on nothing more than suspicion, emotion and sinister mind sets and yet brings nothing much to the table him or herself that shows us our logic is completely faulty.
Look, there is often debate on websleuths. It makes it fun and it can help solve cases. Further, there is always the chance that the majority is wrong about the major issues as to guilt or innocence. Not much of a chance IMO in this case, especially when certain seasoned sleuthers have examined it and have essentially come to the same conclusions as the majority, but I respect that the majority could be proven wrong.
Nevertheless, based on the vast experience and intelligence at WS it can feel insulting when it is inferred that we are not canny enough to think independently from our own biases or when our collective experience is dismissed.
Plainly, experience -knowledge about human behavior, criminal behavioral patterns,crime scenes, crimes and good ol' gut instinct - is a huge, huge part of what great investigators use to solve cases. IMO, this is a pretty special website with some pretty incredible people working very hard to reduce crime and put the bad guys away.
So, I myself tend to truly respect the insights and experience of its members or at least consider that there is some basis in logic to what people are concluding, rather than thinking that people are too clouded with assumptions and biases to see the truth.
My two cents.