Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[daisy.faithfull]

I've been over in some of the other threads here at WS, hoping maybe this waiting for CCs arrest wouldn't be that if I could focus on something else... didn't work obviously!

Is it really possible that they are going to wait the entire 8 weeks? You'd think they would put a rush on it, I mean if CC is capable of murdering his family I don't even want to imagine what he would do to someone trying to stop him from fleeing. They could at least put a SO-type bracelet on him.

Anyway, since its Sunday I was wondering if CC went to church or if it was politely suggested that he not when he "resigned" from his post with JMM. I'd be interesting to know if CC's dad did a sermon today and if so what it was about.

Did JMM pull the plug on the lawyer she hired for CC?

I'm so far behind on the posts I'm debating whether or not to go back and read them all. I do have Nancy Grace episodes taped and I'm actually considering watching them... she's gotta be chomping at the bit for BOMBSHELLS. I would LOVE to see her go one on one with CC!!

 

[mikeysmommom]

the $20,000 much-talked-about toilet is an antique commode given to Meyer as a gift .. it sits in the foyer of the ministry
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Remember it was said Joyce was there to "comfort" the neighbors. Maybe in the time she got the call and got there, Coleman was taken away in an ambulance and then into questioning.

She didn't know when she left that he would be taken away in an ambulance.

Not being privy to what happened, the thing I did remember is a newspaper said she was there to "comfort the neighbors"

Since he was her security/body guard, both could contact each other obviously both having access to each other's cell numbers.

Just a thought .. he might have already been taken away via ambulance.

Still to go to the crime scene,every one knows you dont do that.That has bothered me from day one.

 

[analytical]

IdleSleuth didn't clarify when he came back but maybe he was referring to 18 USC 1875 .. interstate .. Il v. MO .. his place of employment

§ 875. Interstate communications

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/875.html


(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any demand or request for a ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

 

[RR0004]

If you had joint credit with him that would follow you because you took out credit together. if you kept your accounts completely separate and did not have anything joint, you would be fine.

Wouldn't the original mortgage be deemed joint if they both signed it? Wouldn't she have put her husband's name down on her cc's if he she wasn't working (I had to for one charge acct. many years ago)? Our ccs were separate for most of the marriage, but his relationship with one of his creditors soured...and showed up on my credit history when I went to finance a mortgage for my home after we were divorced. It was fairly easy to rectify...he wrote a letter to his cc company...but now that I think about it, he had to hire one of those credit "fixers" to clear up a lot of other stuff. Sorry, painfully OT.

 

[analytical]

Still to go to the crime scene,every one knows you dont do that.That has bothered me from day one.

If I got a call like that, my thought would be going to console my friend ... I would not frame it as "going to a crime scene"

She probably went to console him. The area was taped off.

I'd call a friend who lives a few streets away immediately and a family member .. they'd rush over, I'm sure. So we'd be at a "crime scene" but they'd be coming for me to comfort me as friend and family.

On a lighter note, if I came home and found my house burned down, they'd be the first I'd call for comfort.

 

[Kimster]

So if I understand what you're getting at is that CC committed a felony (extortion) which could have landed him in jail & caused him to lose his job -- in order to frame someone else for murder(s) that he was planning.

That doesn't appear to me to be a win-win situation.

Since when do sociopaths think straight? LOL!

All please note: I am not going to discredit any messages from people who claim to know something about any case very quickly. I was one of the few who believed Cindy Anthony's brother was for real when he was posting online. :crazy:

 

[analytical]

Wouldn't the original mortgage be deemed joint if they both signed it?

But we're talking the scenario of re-fi .. so she would quit-claim off the deed and they would seek to re-fi with another lender to get out from under the original mortgage.

 

[RR0004]

In neither report tho is it alleged that the business failed, collapsed or "went under" due to insolvency tho... and SuziQ heard there were in fact no significant debts. In addition, CC's salary has been reported to be considerable all of which appear to make the transferring of assets for exemption etc unlikely. Just sayin...

arrot:

That's what's been reported by the media out there.

 

[RR0004]

But we're talking the scenario of re-fi .. so she would quit-claim off the deed and they would seek to re-fi with another lender to get out from under the original mortgage.

Anyone know how to find these quit claim deeds? Would they need to be filed as well?

ETA: I'll check with my ex-he was into real estate...but I do not think this is "kosher" where we're from. BTW- how bad could her credit be? Really. She owed money on ccs...that's sometimes a good thing.

 

[mikeysmommom]

MMom,

This "revelation" does lead to lots of speculation and intrigue, doesn't it?

Could get very very interesting.

IdleSleuth said more than CC were concerned about a trial.

What really gets me is why the SA did not Arrest him when MCS was sitting there waiting for the warrant to arrest .They are the best of the best if they felt he was the one why did the SA put it off? I do not know about the other stuff but I 99.9 know CC did kill his family, IMO.

 

[Kimster]

Wouldn't the original mortgage be deemed joint if they both signed it? Wouldn't she have put her husband's name down on her cc's if he she wasn't working (I had to for one charge acct. many years ago)? Our ccs were separate for most of the marriage, but his relationship with one of his creditors soured...and showed up on my credit history when I went to finance a mortgage for my home after we were divorced. It was fairly easy to rectify...he wrote a letter to his cc company...but now that I think about it, he had to hire one of those credit 'fixers" to clear up a lot of other stuff. Sorry, painfully OT.

IIRC, Illinois is a community property state. SO, Sherri would have signed a Quit Claim Deed that would have specified that she was giving up her community property rights to CC. (or a forger would have signed such a deed...)

My information comes from 15 years as a mortgage lender who WAS in a community property state.

 

[analytical]

Just a lame attempt at a joke.

oh .. okay

 

[mikeysmommom]

100k a yr plus working jobs on side, seems like they would be ok money wise.

 

[WestSideGal]

He may have made a considerable salary but my guess is Miss Motive was high maintenance and guys spend a lot of money at strip joints...

 

[JBean]

Primary residence? If they pull up his credit her credit history wouldn't appear? It would here. I can't imagine he would then get a better rate.

you can pull up individual credit reports. Now if they have bad JOINT credit, you are right it can hold everyone back if it is not offset by excellent credit. Typically someone was naughty with their singular credit in the past and it holds the other person back if they try to qualify for a loan together. Often, we pull one or the other off the loan app half way through the transaction if the increase in rate causes the house to become unaffordable. Then all the contract and everything are re-written to reflect just one buyer. after close quit claim the other party on title and it's all good.

 

[RR0004]

IdleSleuth didn't clarify when he came back but maybe he was referring to 18 USC 1875 .. interstate .. Il v. MO .. his place of employment

§ 875. Interstate communications

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/875.html


(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any demand or request for a ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

I thought he did...he said blackmail...guess you were right...must have been a typo.

 

[Kimster]

Usually people who have a spouse with bad credit won't have them on the loan and WILL add them to the deed later, for survivorship reasons. If she was on the loan and NOT on the deed, it would be without the lendor's knowledge, unless the lender was nuts! A borrower is more apt to ditch a loan if they've lost the right to the security.

If she signed off on the deed and not the note without the lender's knowledge, the lender can "call the loan" on CC immediately!

 

[Kimster]

I'm leaving for a class and will check back in later if you guys have more questions for me on mortgages and such

 

[JBean]

Wouldn't the original mortgage be deemed joint if they both signed it? Wouldn't she have put her husband's name down on her cc's if he she wasn't working (I had to for one charge acct. many years ago)? Our ccs were separate for most of the marriage, but his relationship with one of his creditors soured...and showed up on my credit history when I went to finance a mortgage for my home after we were divorced. It was fairly easy to rectify...he wrote a letter to his cc company...but now that I think about it, he had to hire one of those credit "fixers" to clear up a lot of other stuff. Sorry, painfully OT.

Yes the mortgage would be joint.. We have no idea if her credit was truly bad and if it was, we do not know whether the credit was joint or not.

 

[analytical]

I thought he did...he said blackmail...guess you were right...must have been a typo.

IdleSleuth wasn't clear .. I posted 18 USC 1873 and he responded in the affirmative yet his original post said 1875.

Both can be applicable.