Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[RR0004]

Ok, trying to wrap my mind around the deed/community property thing. So basically if the Coleman's were to divorce she would have equal right to the property since it was bought during their marriage. So that would remove motive for CC having taken her name off in an attempt to gather up and keep property to himself. However, what was CC's knoweledge of this? Could he have wrongly assumed this tactic would have worked in his favor during a divorce? Maybe he thought it was a possession is 9/tenths of the law type of thing.

It seems to me she would have had to sign something else relinquishing rights to the property. Perhaps, that was the next step. Maybe she balked at the idea and that was what set CC off. Honestly, with so little information everything is speculation to the nth degree.

 

[Carrington]

What would happen if she willed her half to someone else, say mother, father or brother thinking they would raise the boys?
If her name is off the deed, she dies it goes to CC right, because now her estate doesn't own half a house.....
I confused myself. There has to be a hook.
IMO

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

What would happen if she willed her half to someone else, say mother, father or brother thinking they would raise the boys?
If her name is off the deed, she dies it goes to CC right, because now her estate doesn't own half a house.....
I confused myself. There has to be a hook.
IMO

I was told by my attorney, and I am in IL, that if one spouse dies, the surviving spouse gets 100% interest in the marital home, and the dead spouse's interest can not go to anyone else, it would not be part of the estate and there are no inheritance/probate issues/taxes on the marital home.

 

[RR0004]

What would happen if she willed her half to someone else, say mother, father or brother thinking they would raise the boys?
If her name is off the deed, she dies it goes to CC right, because now her estate doesn't own half a house.....
I confused myself. There has to be a hook.
IMO

That's an interesting question. Did she have a will? I would find it odd that she would specify the house, though. I don't think she would have ever imagined dying with her children. She would have had them in mind first and foremost.

ETA: I never heard of willing away 1/2 a house. Thanks, Medusa.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

What would happen if she willed her half to someone else, say mother, father or brother thinking they would raise the boys?
If her name is off the deed, she dies it goes to CC right, because now her estate doesn't own half a house.....
I confused myself. There has to be a hook.
IMO

I can't believe that it would be that easy for CC to swindle SC out of her fifty percent. But if she did have a will I would think thats she would leave everything to her sons. Since they aren't alive I would guess her half would go to her family, because I can't see it going to CC! What about his share of the matrimonial assests? Can he even use that for his defense or is everything frozen until there is a verdict?

 

[Carrington]

As far as I know, we have no idea if she had a will.
Since they were involved with that financial guy, I would think so.
Looks like Medusa came up with the answer.
IMO

 

[JBean]

That's an interesting question. Did she have a will? I would find it odd that she would specify the house, though. I don't think she would have ever imagined dying with her children. She would have had them in mind first and foremost.

ETA: I never heard of willing away 1/2 a house. Thanks, Medusa.

If you own a house as tenants in common in means you each own a portion and can do with it what you will.
That means I can will away my half and you can will away your half. but I don;t think that was the case here.

Most likely if the marital property holds up her half will go to him through survivorship, not her family.
if the quitclaim deed holds up then it will also go to him. So either which way he gets the house imo.
But of course we don't have all the facts yet so this is just a guess.

ETA: Here in CA it is typically vested as community property with right of survivorship meaning goes to the spouse. I am guessing that the marital vesting might be similar. but of course I do not know how it works in Illinois.

 

[Carrington]

I can't believe that it would be that easy for CC to swindle SC out of her fifty percent. But if she did have a will I would think thats she would leave everything to her sons. Since they aren't alive I would guess her half would go to her family, because I can't see it going to CC! What about his share of the matrimonial assests? Can he even use that for his defense or is everything frozen until there is a verdict?

I really shouldn't be talking about something, I know so little about.

It would have something to do with IF her boys were minors at the time of her death, she would want to provide for their care by an adult.
IMO

 

[IdleSleuth]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer[/ame]

In May 2001, Joyce Meyer Ministries hired a convicted child molester named Richard Leroy Jones to work as a pastor in her "Dream Center" youth ministry. The ministry was reportedly aware of Jones's criminal record when he was hired, but believed that he was not a danger to the children because he was not allowed to be alone with them. Jones left the ministry in 2003, shortly after his criminal history was reported in local news outlets.[20][21]

 

[analytical]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer

In May 2001, Joyce Meyer Ministries hired a convicted child molester named Richard Leroy Jones to work as a pastor in her "Dream Center" youth ministry. The ministry was reportedly aware of Jones's criminal record when he was hired, but believed that he was not a danger to the children because he was not allowed to be alone with them. Jones left the ministry in 2003, shortly after his criminal history was reported in local news outlets.[20][21]

IdleSleuth,

If CC sent the feed from the security camera at his house to JMM so he could "observe" his family during his overnight shift in light of the alleged threats, that would violate company policy, wouldn't it? To be using employer equipment for personal use, no matter how reasonable it might seem in light of the alleged threats.

You posed questions earlier you didn't answer. What is the significance of CC travelling with JM herself?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer

In May 2001, Joyce Meyer Ministries hired a convicted child molester named Richard Leroy Jones to work as a pastor in her "Dream Center" youth ministry. The ministry was reportedly aware of Jones's criminal record when he was hired, but believed that he was not a danger to the children because he was not allowed to be alone with them. Jones left the ministry in 2003, shortly after his criminal history was reported in local news outlets.[20][21]

I read this last night. It was frightening to see after she was molested for so long by her father that she would be so willing to accept a convicted molester to work with the kids. She isn't naive about it and her lack of judgement is astounding. I bet she didn't make the parents of those children aware they were involved with a child molester! :furious:

 

[JBean]

Ok, trying to wrap my mind around the deed/community property thing. So basically if the Coleman's were to divorce she would have equal right to the property since it was bought during their marriage. So that would remove motive for CC having taken her name off in an attempt to gather up and keep property to himself. However, what was CC's knoweledge of this? Could he have wrongly assumed this tactic would have worked in his favor during a divorce? Maybe he thought it was a possession is 9/tenths of the law type of thing.

well actually it seems that if the property was bought during the marriage and IF she signed it away in a quit claim during the marriage, the deed could actually hold up in a divorce; so says the illinois attorney-broker.But there are subtleties to the rules that are affected by the facts.
>> Normally any property that was acquired during the marriage is subject to a marital claim. However if a spouse signed a quitclaim deed to the other spouse after marriage and acquisition of the property that would likely hold up.<<

IOW, he may have gotten the house in the event of a divorce, but not without a fight that could go either way if the quitclaim was intended to be temporary.

 

[SuziQ]

I can't believe that it would be that easy for CC to swindle SC out of her fifty percent. But if she did have a will I would think thats she would leave everything to her sons. Since they aren't alive I would guess her half would go to her family, because I can't see it going to CC! What about his share of the matrimonial assests? Can he even use that for his defense or is everything frozen until there is a verdict?

But, it's easy enough to get that 50 percent through fraud. It's very scary how easy this can be done. No proof that that is what happened here, even though the removal of the name is curious.

 

[Melanie]

But, it's easy enough to get that 50 percent through fraud. It's very scary how easy this can be done. No proof that that is what happened here, even though the removal of the name is curious.

I don't know about you, but if CC is arrested/convicted of this, we'll be seeing a civil suit from SC's family for the home, life insurance, etc.

I wonder if CC is busy trying to put everything in his parents name? Will that fly in a court of law?

Thoughts?

Melanie

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know about you, but if CC is arrested/convicted of this, we'll be seeing a civil suit from SC's family for the home, life insurance, etc.

I wonder if CC is busy trying to put everything in his parents name? Will that fly in a court of law?

Thoughts?

Melanie

He might as well just divide it up now. He doesn't need a great deal of money, house, or cars where he is going! :behindbar He may have ended up with it all...but he can't enjoy any of it!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

But, it's easy enough to get that 50 percent through fraud. It's very scary how easy this can be done. No proof that that is what happened here, even though the removal of the name is curious.

It is scary. It is even scarier to know the people who do these things are usually sleeping next to them.

 

[SuziQ]

I don't know about you, but if CC is arrested/convicted of this, we'll be seeing a civil suit from SC's family for the home, life insurance, etc.

I wonder if CC is busy trying to put everything in his parents name? Will that fly in a court of law?

Thoughts?

Melanie

Interesting thought about him putting everything in his parents name. I think it would fly until a wrongful death verdict was handed down in her family's favor.

 

[Melanie]

Interesting thought about him putting everything in his parents name. I think it would fly until a wrongful death verdict was handed down in her family's favor.

Come to think of it, we don't even need a conviction for a wrongful death suit (member OJ)? He was found innocent (yah right), but Nicole's family still went after him like hell hath no fury.

If CC is as clever as he thinks he is, he could be hiding money as we speak. Why hasn't he been arrested by now! (IMHO he should be).

arghhhhhh!

Mel

 

[SuziQ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer

In May 2001, Joyce Meyer Ministries hired a convicted child molester named Richard Leroy Jones to work as a pastor in her "Dream Center" youth ministry. The ministry was reportedly aware of Jones's criminal record when he was hired, but believed that he was not a danger to the children because he was not allowed to be alone with them. Jones left the ministry in 2003, shortly after his criminal history was reported in local news outlets.[20][21]

I'll never understand why people do this. There wasn't another position in that org. for this guy to work in? What's the point of that exercise?

 

[pres101]

I read this last night. It was frightening to see after she was molested for so long by her father that she would be so willing to accept a convicted molester to work with the kids. She isn't naive about it and her lack of judgement is astounding. I bet she didn't make the parents of those children aware they were involved with a child molester! :furious:

Have people forgotten about this?
http://www.rickross.com/reference/meyer/meyer28.html

Shows what kind of supervision kids at The Dream Center are given.