Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4

[analytical]

No kidding?!

And I guess your "common sense" tells you the rest. Or, are you psychic too? Do you know the answers to all of the other points above?

Did CC abuse her?

Was the glove found today his? Will it contain DNA evidence?

What was his routine? Did he call regularly in the mornings when he worked out, or was it just this one time?

What was his favorite type of donut?

You people amaze me! Trust me, I also strongly feel as though CC is guilty. But I see no merit in rushing to judgment either.

Agreed on "amaze" and "rush to judgment"

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[fran]

Actually, I don't. I think my lack of "commons sense" prevents me from grasping the subtleties of your remark. Please elaborate for me.

Sorry, I have RL things to take care of. That'll give you time to put your thinking cap on.

*hint*...........I've made reference to what I spoke of in previous posts. There won't be a test so it's ok if you come up with the wrong answer.

JMHO
fran

 

[milopedes]

But I bet LE has all that stuff, it was all Conner could do to not say they were waiting to arrest him last week. They weren't parked out front of anyone else's house. They didn't follow anyone else. They know who did this, an arrest is immenent. IMO, the MCS didn't count on an SA that's going to want a grand jury to hand down an airtight indictment of capital murder charges.

Probably, because LE is like most of us (including me), fairly certain CC is guilty. My point was the while LE might have 99.9% of the puzzle (which I doubt), no one in here does!

 

[waterlooinspector]

I don't think that's the case. I believe Joyce is transparent enough and has taken the media "heat" before ... there may be a tie and they may be part of the investigation hence they have to "lay low" too.

I doubt Joyce would stand in the way of justice to preserve her reputation.

What are DM's relationships in "high places"?

I am honestly sursprised there has not been more coverage about this in the national news. I could be mistaken, but the chance to jump all over TV evangelists and their shortcomings seems to be paramount in the National Media. I honestly feel most equate TV preachers as modern snake oil salesmen.

 

[chestergal]

Thanks, Stella5!

I changed my avatar to my granddaughter's pic. She is in the USAF and stayed at Lackland after her basic training to attend MOS training in Security Forces. Military MP. There were people in training with her at Lackland from the Army and Marine Corp as well. That is; when she got to the K9 training. K9 training was her 3rd school. Her first duty station was at Osan AFB in Korea. She met her Army husband there. Some Marines were also stattioned there. My avatar pic is one taken in Korea.

I said all of that to say this: No way I would believe that CC was connected with the Secret Service. From what I have read, he joined the Marines in 1995 and got out in 1999. Even two years into his service he would have still been taking tests and doing patrol as well as minor details. Maybe Clinton visited whatever base CC was stationed at and preliminary security work was done. But escorting Clinton or being a part of his security detail? No. IMO.

As CC was accustomed to working nights in his job, he may very well have stayed up all night on his night off. I wonder if Sheri may have caught CC either texting or talking to TL? And I will call her TL rather than Miss Motive. She does have a name. And of course she may not have been the only girlfriend CC has/had. I just do not believe TL was 100% the motive here.

I am also sorry to say that I agree with the poster who had stated that CC might have snapped Sheri's neck. That is quick and deadly. He would have been trained to do moves such as that. It would seem to me that it would have been quick and taken Sheri by surprise because she would have fought like a wildcat - she had the same training as CC.

I think that CC had taken a step off into the darkside on his out of town trips and liked it. His wife and children just did not fit into that lifestyle. Sheri and the boys had lots of activities to keep up with, and I wonder if CC was getting tired of the 'family life'. IMO, CC planned this for a very long time. I would like to know what his activities were the month before these murders.

I think that CC killed his family. I am not in a court of law and can have whatever opinion I want as to guilty vs. not guilty. It willl be a happy day for me when CC is arrested!

Thanks, chestergal, for your insight into the local scene!

Your welcome LaLaw!
Thank your grand-daughter for her service in the USAF.
Is that a Belgian Malinois in the picture with her? (beautiful intelligent dog & breed)
I think you are right on with your thoughts about this case.

CC is a narcissist and all people have to do is under how a narrcissist's mind works.
Sheri and CC were in the military when she got pregnant and you can go from there to see how maybe CC started building up his anger towards SC over the last 11 years.

(Folks - No I am not faulting SC at all - I just know how a narcissists mind works and in his mind he was not the center of attention anymore and maybe SC was starting to finally understand what type of person she was married to and maybe his narcissism was not working on Sheri and the boys anymore like he wanted it to.)

 

[Kimster]

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[milopedes]

Sorry, I have RL things to take care of. That'll give you time to put your thinking cap on.

*hint*...........I've made reference to what I spoke of in previous posts. There won't be a test so it's ok if you come up with the wrong answer.

JMHO
fran

Don't run away! :chicken:

 

[DairyGirl]

What? At present you lack the following:

1. Forensic evidence (TOD, fingerprint evidence, spray paint residue, fibers, etc.);

2, Cell phone records (pings, number of calls made, pattern of calls showing routine or no routine);

3. Information regarding what, if anything, LE found at the side of the highway (e.g., discarded DVR, glove, other);

4. Video evidence (e.g., from his home, Gold's Gym, entryway to subdivision);

5. Information regarding the threats (i.e., how often, how many, typed or hand-written, what did they say, etc.)'

6. Statement from his girlfriend;

7. Statements from the family (i.e., maritial problems, history of abuse, or nothing out of the ordinary known to them);

8. Electronic evidence (i.e., history of e-mails, etc.).

That seems a lot less than 99.9%, or whatever it was you claimed, to me anyway.

We may not have that information but I am sure that LE has plenty of it.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Probably, because LE is like most of us (including me), fairly certain CC is guilty. My point was the while LE might have 99.9% of the puzzle (which I doubt), no one in here does!

Well, we are not LE. We are members of WS's. We have the option of discussing cases and what we have thoughts/opinions on. So, how cool is that. We do not arrest, but we share. Sometimes, even help. I'm good with all of this.

 

[Bluenotes]

The question as to why the SA has not allowed LE to make an arrest has been brought up several times. This may shed some light on the length of time it takes to process evidence in IL.

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http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/dna.backlog.rape.2.1012935.html

 

[SuziQ]

Probably, because LE is like most of us (including me), fairly certain CC is guilty. My point was the while LE might have 99.9% of the puzzle (which I doubt), no one in here does!

The only thing that can guarantee 100% is a confession or being caught in the act, both of which when lacking does not prove innocence. I can't speak for anyone else here. But I have faith in what I've seen come from LE. Along with what I do know, I'm also following their lead.

This is a discussion board, our requirement is not the same as a courtroom. We don't have the burden of guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[milopedes]

Well, we are not LE. We are members of WS's. We have the option of discussing cases and what we have thoughts/opinions on. So, how cool is that. We do not arrest, but we share. Sometimes, even help. I'm good with all of this.

Me too! That is why I am in here discussing the case.

I think at the end of the day you'll find that I am very similar to many of you, especially with regard to the opinions I've formed of CC at this point. I've stated that I feel, at the moment, that he is probably guilty. I am just not as convinced as many of you are and feel there is a lot more to learn. I have not excluded the possibility that it was not CC who committed this crime.

I don't fault you, or anyone else, for holding an opinion. But like it or not, I do fault some of you for being - what I feel - is a little bit too emotional and less even-handed when considering what facts we do know. I'll refrain from using the word "logical", as I do not wish to offend anyone.

Many things people type, while merely their opinion, I find myself in disagreement with and I'm ready to indicate how I feel. I think the debate and dialogue is a good thing.

 

[analytical]

I am honestly sursprised there has not been more coverage about this in the national news. I could be mistaken, but the chance to jump all over TV evangelists and their shortcomings seems to be paramount in the National Media. I honestly feel most equate TV preachers as modern snake oil salesmen.

Having watched Joyce from time-to-time, I can tell you she IS no Benny Hinn! (now .. I have some definite problems with him ... I rather like Joyce)

 

[SuziQ]

I am honestly sursprised there has not been more coverage about this in the national news. I could be mistaken, but the chance to jump all over TV evangelists and their shortcomings seems to be paramount in the National Media. I honestly feel most equate TV preachers as modern snake oil salesmen.

Me too. Throw in the preacher's son, a secret girlfriend who was also the wife's BFF and you have the makings of a very sexy story. The media usually falls all over stories like this.

 

[curiositycat]

IMHO the murderer is CC and I don't think he planned it in advance. I also don't think he wanted a divorce from his wife. He had it made. Beautiful wife, handsome sons, nice home and nice vehicles. His father and mother lived close by. There was no way he was gonna bring another woman into his territory. IMHO. I don't think his wife had a clue about her BFF. JMHO

I think he was a controlling man who lost it over some trivial thing...maybe someone leaving the basement window open when he told them not to and maybe the damp basement was the reason he scrawled "I told you this would happen" or words to that effect.

If he had planned it there would not have been a security camera. There would not have been a quick throw out of the painted stained glove and DVD. Not the actions of a hit person either. A professional would have known better then that.

He went into a rage with the wife...maybe it woke the kids up and he had to kill them all.

Just another rage addict out of control. That's my opinion FWIW

It reminds me of Bobby Cutts, and Mark Hacking. Both were rage killings also.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Actually, I don't. I think my lack of "commons sense" prevents me from grasping the subtleties of your remark. Please elaborate for me.

Never said you didnt have common sense , just was saying my common sense knows he is guilty.I feel MCS is a terrific group of investigators and they have done an Excellent job.When I see them talking they are very dismissive of the threats to me that means they already know they are false.If they were true would not someone in CC camp ie his lawyer be in the media bringing them up?None of my posting is to attack just stating my opinion.

 

[milopedes]

The only thing that can guarantee 100% is a confession or being caught in the act, both of which when lacking does not prove innocence. I can't speak for anyone else here. But I have faith in what I've seen come from LE. Along with what I do know, I'm also following their lead.

This is a discussion board, our requirement is not the same as a courtroom. We don't have the burden of guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Well, the original post talked about a "puzzle"; meaning, evidence known about the case or what we might consider "facts" at this point. I never talked about a guarantee, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Someone followed up that he or she felt that 99.9% of the "puzzle" was solved, or known to us, and I merely posted a laundry list of things we simply do not know at present.

Does LE know those things? Maybe, maybe not!

This is a board for discussion of opinions, theories, and facts about given cases. I like hearing various theories, but so far most seem to simply be that "CC is guilty!" I like opinions, but prefer they be based in facts known to us. Right now, there are far too many unknowns.

If I am wrong, so what? If you and others are wrong, what's the harm? I get it. I just can't understand what I perceive to be, by some, as a "rush to judgment" over the facts known to us at present. The ability to completely disregard an opposing viewpoint.

While I debate, and argue, I admit that I feel CC is very likely guilty. I haven't heard many of you entertain that he might be innocent.

 

[mikeysmommom]

How can I or anyone when ALL I or anyone knows is "threats were made" .. Connor had said that himself .. he did not elaborate.

I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater only to pick up the pitchfork.

Yes Connor did say it himself And IMO the way he said it,he was dismissive of the threats as well.

 

[SuziQ]

IMHO the murderer is CC and I don't think he planned it in advance. I also don't think he wanted a divorce from his wife. He had it made. Beautiful wife, handsome sons, nice home and nice vehicles. His father and mother lived close by. There was no way he was gonna bring another woman into his territory. IMHO. I don't think his wife had a clue about her BFF. JMHO

I think he was a controlling man who lost it over some trivial thing...maybe someone leaving the basement window open when he told them not to and maybe the damp basement was the reason he scrawled "I told you this would happen" or words to that effect.

If he had planned it there would not have been a security camera. There would not have been a quick throw out of the painted stained glove and DVD. Not the actions of a hit person either. A professional would have known better then that.

He went into a rage with the wife...maybe it woke the kids up and he had to kill them all.

Just another rage addict out of control. That's my opinion FWIW

It reminds me of Bobby Cutts, and Mark Hacking. Both were rage killings also.

Very true, the actions after the murders do shout of CYA imo and not a planned out event. The argument at 3am, if true, could have been the catalyst. Finding out about the GF and/or Sheri simply wanting a divorce could have started a sudden event.

The good thing about this is if there was a split second of a thought indicating premeditation, CC will have that against him as well.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Me too! That is why I am in here discussing the case.

I think at the end of the day you'll find that I am very similar to many of you, especially with regard to the opinions I've formed of CC at this point. I've stated that I feel, at the moment, that he is probably guilty. I am just not as convinced as many of you are and feel there is a lot more to learn. I have not excluded the possibility that it was not CC who committed this crime.

I don't fault you, or anyone else, for holding an opinion. But like it or not, I do fault some of you for being - what I feel - is a little bit too emotional and less even-handed when considering what facts we do know. I'll refrain from using the word "logical", as I do not wish to offend anyone.

Many things people type, while merely their opinion, I find myself in disagreement with and I'm ready to indicate how I feel. I think the debate and dialogue is a good thing.

Well, if you find that what I post as "what I feel" a bit too emotional, well, that's unfortunate. I will not apologize for it, either. I will not defend to you, in a polically correct way, that makes you comfortable. I am OL and will continue to post as I have for quite some time. Do not undererstimate me. I have much more "logic" than you give me credit for. I just don't type it that way. Personally, diversity is a wonderful thing, in my opinion. I can't imagine all posting the same way. What would be the point?