Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4

[analytical]

Please be patient with me cuz I can't say someone is guilty based on ONE thing....

But if I had to pick the most damning, it would be CC's behavior and timeline on the morning that the murders were discovered by LE.

What about his behavior? Is your opinion based on what has been hammered and hammered and hammered here ... without much objectivity but much innuendo an speculation ... is your opinion clouded or influenced by the majority of the opinion here .. ???

I have no problem with his behavior that morning. I'd flail, wail, drop to the ground, have to be restrained .. you have to put yourself in Coleman's shoes .. he just arrived home to find his whole family massacred!

Timeline? .... strangulations don't take much time ... and I firmly believe someone was methodically plotting and planning this heinous act for a very long time ... even someone who had been IN THE HOME and knew the location and layout of the house and even perhaps the location of the computer that contained the DVR.

Which brings something to mind ... although it's nothing to "take and run with" ... what if it were someone whose paths had crossed with Coleman in the security/surveillance business?

Listen ... there are lots of people out there who do heinous things for revenge that we would have never imagined even 10-15 years ago.

The moral restraint seems to be gone in some aspects of our society, IMO

Like the case of a poster who related how a man who found his wife sleeping with another man .... he threw the man out the window and did the same when he saw him again later in a local tavern.

Revenge didn't go to blood-thirsty murder back in the "good old days" .. well it did .. but not with the intensity we see now.

... just IMO

 

[Kimster]

Regarding your first sentence . . . I think that is good to know. And I see your point, but was simply trying to find the one factor for each person posting that seemed the most damaging to CC's case of being innocent.

Regarding your second sentence, please elaborate on what you mean by "CC's behavior". Do you mean the morning of the crime? Or, was the timeline part of what you wrote meant to be in addition to your feelings about his behavior?

The timeline meaning how long it would take to kill three people within the timeframe that the murders would have occurred, adding into account getting into the house, the murders, and then leaving unseen as people were getting up and going to work. The other issue I have is that he called for a "wellness check". It might be interesting to poll people on when/why they would call for a wellness check. It seems to me that he was so close to home that such a call was very very odd.

That coupled with the fact that if he was THAT concerned that he called in a wellness check so quickly, why wasn't the house secured before he left and his precious family was sleeping?

 

[Kimster]

No, I didn't take into account the flailing...I think that evidence could be used either way.

 

[Kimster]

Remember, I'm not ready to hang the man either! This is just one reason why I feel more strongly of his guilt than his innocense at this junctur

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I'm curious, for those of you who feel pretty convinced that CC committed this crime, what is the single most damning factor - from what we know right now - leading you to believe he is guilty?

Please limit this to one for the sake of discussion.

Unfortunately, regarding "the single most damning factor", I cannot do that. In any case. That would be unfair to the victims as well as those under suspicion. This is still an early case and without forensics returned that would firmly hold up my argument for that "one thing". There are many factors/possibilities that cause me to believe what I do. To be of one singular thought would not be condusive to fair discussion.

Sorry.

 

[analytical]

Kimster and all,

Can' recall where I read it .. maybe in a comment on a newspaper item .. but it was stated that Sheri had said she had a gun and "knew how to use it" ..so in light of her MP experience perhaps she was "unnerved" by the threats but thought she had the necessary means and ability to protect herself from an intruder.

.... just possible she felt secure in knowing how to use a firearm

 

[who knew?]

I'm curious, for those of you who feel pretty convinced that CC committed this crime, what is the single most damning factor - from what we know right now - leading you to believe he is guilty?

Please limit this to one for the sake of discussion.

How about.... I have a brain????? :crazy:

IMO - the most damning thing is the timing - left at 5:45 - bodies discovered at 6:50 - 1 hour to fist fight, stangle, position, write on wall, dump evidence on route to gym..................
makes me think it happened hours earlier. I'd love to know the TOD - that will cinch it.

It will be interesting to see what others have as their # 1 piece of evidence. (#2 reason - none of his story makes sense - hence my statement re:brain.)
I have to run for now, but I'll be checking back to see what you all think.

 

[mommya]

Sorry if I'm behind - but can someone fill me in on what he says he was doing the night before?

I know he wasn't working - and that he went to the gym.

Does he say he was somewhere else overnight - then stopped in to the house before going to the gym but failed to check on them - then got suspicious?

or

Was he there all night and just went to the gym in the morning?

TIA

Nice to see some locals on this thread.

 

[Kimster]

Kimster and all,

Can' recall where I read it .. maybe in a comment on a newspaper item .. but it was stated that Sherri had said she had a gun and "knew how to use it" ..so in light of her MP experience perhaps she was "unnerved" by the threats but thought she had the necessary means and ability to protect herself from an intruder.

.... just possible she felt secure in knowing how to use a firearm

Good point, but didn't Chris say they were asleep when he left? I am quite versed in the Bible and most Christian men I know have a strong sense of wanting to protect their families. I would think that if CC was so concerned that he would make a wellness check in that period of time, he would have secured the home before he left and while they were sleeping.

Unless, of course, he didn't feel that sense of protectiveness because his heart was already turned over to the GF in Florida...?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Bravo! At the risk of ridicule, and I don't mind that, I'll use a term ... "hinky meter........."

MY HINKY METER KEEPS ERRING ON THE SIDE THAT COLEMAN HAD NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

I believe he will be EXONERATED and VINDICATED!

.... my source, at this time, also cannot be revealed

LOL We still haven't secured that bet yet. I believe quite the opposite and I have no hidden sources or agenda to reveal!!

 

[Kimster]

I also have to leave for a bit and will check back on comments/responses later.

:blowkiss:

 

[milopedes]

The timeline meaning how long it would take to kill three people within the timeframe that the murders would have occurred, adding into account getting into the house, the murders, and then leaving unseen as people were getting up and going to work. The other issue I have is that he called for a "wellness check". It might be interesting to poll people on when/why they would call for a wellness check. It seems to me that he was so close to home that such a call was very very odd.

That coupled with the fact that if he was THAT concerned that he called in a wellness check so quickly, why wasn't the house secured before he left and his precious family was sleeping?

Personally, I have less of a problem with the timeframe. That could easily be explained away by a stalker (i.e., the person sending threats) knowing the family routine. Knowing Chris' schedule, how long he would be gone, how far away he would be, and the basic routine of the kids each morning for school makes this less of an issue for me.

Analytical posted that this might be someone familiar with the family, and even someone who had been in the home. That is entirely possible.

The "wellness check" is not odd to me whatsoever given the history of threats - as we know them now (i.e., not knowing the frequency they were received, the content, or even what the threats entailed). If CC left the home, and could not reach his family, it makes sense that he might call a neighbor / friend who was in LE to check on the family.

MapQuest places the distance at 11 miles to the Gold's Gym. It also estimates that is a 15 minute drive. Depending upon morning traffic, it could be a little more. If I had reach the gym, and could not reach my family, given the history of theats - I would do what was the fastest; namely, rely upon a friend who could get there in 2 minutes rather than drive back and take longer.

 

[Alcina]

The timeline meaning how long it would take to kill three people within the timeframe that the murders would have occurred, adding into account getting into the house, the murders, and then leaving unseen as people were getting up and going to work. The other issue I have is that he called for a "wellness check". It might be interesting to poll people on when/why they would call for a wellness check. It seems to me that he was so close to home that such a call was very very odd.

That coupled with the fact that if he was THAT concerned that he called in a wellness check so quickly, why wasn't the house secured before he left and his precious family was sleeping?

All of the above is exactly my thought also on what is most damning.

 

[milopedes]

Unfortunately, regarding "the single most damning factor", I cannot do that. In any case. That would be unfair to the victims as well as those under suspicion. This is still an early case and without forensics returned that would firmly hold up my argument for that "one thing". There are many factors/possibilities that cause me to believe what I do. To be of one singular thought would not be condusive to fair discussion.

Sorry.

:bang:

You are missing the point here! Naturally, I don't expect anyone to take one factor and form an opinion, particuarly when all we really have right now is circumstantial evidence. What I was attempting to do is stimulate the conversation between those leaning one way versus those leaning another. Best to kick it off with a single factor that someone who feels strongly that CC is guilty would like to mention.

Do you follow?

 

[SuziQ]

I'm curious, for those of you who feel pretty convinced that CC committed this crime, what is the single most damning factor - from what we know right now - leading you to believe he is guilty?

Please limit this to one for the sake of discussion.

You mean that "smoking gun"? There isn't one.

 

[analytical]

Good point, but didn't Chris say they were asleep when he left? I am quite versed in the Bible and most Christian men I know have a strong sense of wanting to protect their families. I would think that if CC was so concerned that he would make a wellness check in that period of time, he would have secured the home before he left and while they were sleeping.

Unless, of course, he didn't feel that sense of protectiveness because his heart was already turned over to the GF in Florida...?

Doesn't his call for a wellness check .. knowing that it was his pattern to call home each morning to make sure the family was up because he drove the boys to school .. in light of the threats he had received .. his custom to call them ... doesn't his single act of calling for the officer across the street to check on his family at least point to his concern and a "strong sense to protect his family"?

While the threats, etc. have been discounted as a ruse and the majority opinion seems to be that Coleman set this all up, let's assume Coleman IS innocent .. he IS being threatened .. it IS his routine to call in the a.m. while he is at the gym to make sure the family is up .. what he encounters is he can't reach his family ... so of course he becomes alarmed .. so he calls to have someone check on them ... and arrives home shortly after the discovery of the bodies.

I have read, but can't substantiate, that it was his routine to go to the gym after his night shift.

 

[KDB]

I have two:

1) Calling the police instead of checking his family himself

2) Not calling her family until 2 days later

 

[SuziQ]

Evidence found along the route to the gym.

 

[analytical]

Personally, I have less of a problem with the timeframe. That could easily be explained away by a stalker (i.e., the person sending threats) knowing the family routine. Knowing Chris' schedule, how long he would be gone, how far away he would be, and the basic routine of the kids each morning for school makes this less of an issue for me.

Analytical posted that this might be someone familiar with the family, and even someone who had been in the home. That is entirely possible.

The "wellness check" is not odd to me whatsoever given the history of threats - as we know them now (i.e., not knowing the frequency they were received, the content, or even what the threats entailed). If CC left the home, and could not reach his family, it makes sense that he might call a neighbor / friend who was in LE to check on the family.

MapQuest places the distance at 11 miles to the Gold's Gym. It also estimates that is a 15 minute drive. Depending upon morning traffic, it could be a little more. If I had reach the gym, and could not reach my family, given the history of theats - I would do what was the fastest; namely, rely upon a friend who could get there in 2 minutes rather than drive back and take longer.

Good logical reasoned thinking! :clap:

 

[milopedes]

You mean that "smoking gun"? There isn't one.

True! Not yet. And they may never be one